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    • mamabuddah
    • By mamabuddah 12th Sep 16, 8:58 PM
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    PIP....No points at all....
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    • 12th Sep 16, 8:58 PM
    PIP....No points at all.... 12th Sep 16 at 8:58 PM
    Looks like tha mandatory route first, then the appeals process.

    Friend got their PIP refusal letter today.

    Fortunately I was there at the interview, it talks about the muscular skeleton exam ( well something like that) which is amazing as there wasn't an examination, another " observation" was the client didn't appear anxious or stressed? They burst into tears and the HP said they would do the interview quick and no examination to avoid further stress....

    Good eye contact ? , my friend looked at the floor for most of the interview.

    There was no report or anything enclosed with the letter, just a score sheet and about half a page on why it was refused quoting these lies and assumptions.


    Now to find out how to write this mandatory letter thing, then get ready for a fight....lol
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    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 12th Sep 16, 10:26 PM
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    I walked up the stairs during my interview, a bloody miracle as I'm a paraplegic!
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    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th Sep 16, 10:28 PM
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    • 12th Sep 16, 10:28 PM
    They never send a copy of the report with the decision, you have to request it specially.

    To write the request for a mandatory reconsideration you need to google 'PIP descriptors' and give detailed reasons, with examples, of why you think you get particular points. You have 28 days to get the request to them, so start doing that now. If you have extra medical evidence send that off with it, but don't delay writing the letter if you need time to gather evidence. Put in the letter that you'll be sending more information and they should give you time to send it in.

    Very few MRs succeed, although it's not unheard of, so be prepared to go to Tribunal for a full appeal.
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    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 13th Sep 16, 8:34 AM
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    Very few MRs succeed, although it's not unheard of, so be prepared to go to Tribunal for a full appeal.
    Originally posted by Ames
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    http://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/2015/september/half-pip-and-esa-appeals-successful
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    • Newly retired
    • By Newly retired 13th Sep 16, 7:32 PM
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    It seems so often to be the norm that a claim is refused at the first stage and at the MR stage. I guess it is hoped that claimants will be worried about taking it to Tribunal and will back down.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 13th Sep 16, 8:52 PM
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    • 13th Sep 16, 8:52 PM
    I've said many times, the Tribunal service should have the ability to impose fines on the DWP in cases where they think it was clear an award should have been made at the first stage.
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    • Bustedcol
    • By Bustedcol 14th Oct 16, 3:40 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 3:40 PM
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    • 14th Oct 16, 3:40 PM
    As someone who just got turned down for ESA I was shocked at the lies told. I apparently had an eye exam, told them I spend all day in front of the TV and I suffered no pain. Well I didn't get an eye test said nothing about sitting in front of the TV and was in obvious pain the whole interview. It's been a real eye opener this process, how can it be allowed to lie like this?
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 14th Oct 16, 6:09 PM
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    There does appear to be a case for having the interviews video recorded, as this would serve a two-fold purpose: 1)catch out lying interviewers 2) be used as evidence against benefit thieves who play up for the interview then 'recover' on the way home. The latter wouldn't be able to deny a claim to have certain difficulties , which they later are shown not to have.
    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 16th Oct 16, 7:42 PM
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    I am in same boat, apparently my walking stick and the scooter she walked pass are invisable and I use no aids, and the letters from specialists to my gp regarding bouts of paralysis are invisable also because they did not witness it during assesment it does not happen, and I have earing aids - which I do not !
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    • JS477
    • By JS477 16th Oct 16, 8:57 PM
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    I walked up the stairs during my interview, a bloody miracle as I'm a paraplegic!
    Originally posted by GlasweJen
    Surely this was not just a mistake. If it is shown that the person has lied on what is presumably an official government document then surely some action can be taken against them?
    Why is homo$exual a censored word and I bet this gets reported.
    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 16th Oct 16, 10:04 PM
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    Surely this was not just a mistake. If it is shown that the person has lied on what is presumably an official government document then surely some action can be taken against them?
    Originally posted by JS477
    Time and time again they blatenly lie and get away with it, they claim I have hearing aids yet I do not but my electric scooter and wheelchair appear to be invisbale or not classed as aids to mobilty.
    I am responsible me, myself and I alone I am not the keeper others thoughts and words.
    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 16th Oct 16, 10:08 PM
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    Activities & points...............
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    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 17th Oct 16, 8:51 AM
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    Surely this was not just a mistake. If it is shown that the person has lied on what is presumably an official government document then surely some action can be taken against them?
    Originally posted by JS477
    Nope, I had the local MP make a complaint on my behalf which triggered a review of the award - no change.

    The MSP then got involved - still no change.

    I complained myself - no change.

    So if you add it up 5 decision makers couldn't reconcile the fact that their nurse said I could walk upstairs with a medical report from a neurologist stating that I have no sensation in my legs and a print out of my wheelchair prescription.

    I complained to the NMC about their nurses misconduct and the NMC didn't think that he had a case to answer. The entire system is a joke.
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    • Diary
    • By Diary 17th Oct 16, 10:32 AM
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    Nope, I had the local MP make a complaint on my behalf which triggered a review of the award - no change.

    The MSP then got involved - still no change.

    I complained myself - no change.

    So if you add it up 5 decision makers couldn't reconcile the fact that their nurse said I could walk upstairs with a medical report from a neurologist stating that I have no sensation in my legs and a print out of my wheelchair prescription.

    I complained to the NMC about their nurses misconduct and the NMC didn't think that he had a case to answer. The entire system is a joke.
    Originally posted by GlasweJen
    I'm still trying to get the nurse who did my first pip assessment struck off by the nmc. The treatment of me by DWP and Atos was utterly disgraceful. I count myself very fortunate every single day I do not have mental health problems and can stand up to them. Dwp apologised and compensated me but atos didn't so my fight goes on. Atos did sack the nurse but it's not enough, I will never forgive them for doing that to me.
    My second assessment 2 years after the first was completely the opposite of my first. I wonder why....
    People in the general public don't know or, in some cases care, what goes on until they themselves need assistance.
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