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    • off to market
    • By off to market 10th Sep 16, 1:10 PM
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    Viewpoint Salford, Manchester View, Aspen Woolf, Prime Noble Properties
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    • 10th Sep 16, 1:10 PM
    Viewpoint Salford, Manchester View, Aspen Woolf, Prime Noble Properties 10th Sep 16 at 1:10 PM
    Have received sales details for this 'investment' from Prime Noble Properties (new company) and Aspen Woolf, it looks a far cry from these photos - In view of the number of failed property schemes in Manchester this is what the property looks like today. I would want to see independent evidence that the proposition is sound.

    http://bit.ly/2clqERW
    Last edited by off to market; 10-09-2016 at 1:13 PM.
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    • mostonanne
    • By mostonanne 25th Sep 16, 7:28 AM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 7:28 AM
    Viewpoint Ford Lane Salford Manchester, Coronation Street, Phelan
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    • 25th Sep 16, 7:28 AM
    It's a bit ironic that Britain's top soap has a story line which features a dodgy flats scheme in Salford Manchester. Ford Lane Salford is a stones throw from MediaCity where Coronation Street is made.

    Coronation Street: Take a look at Phelan's dodgy flats scheme

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/coronation-street-phelan-flats-corrie--11928308
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 25th Sep 16, 8:41 AM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 8:41 AM
    • #3
    • 25th Sep 16, 8:41 AM
    Have received sales details for this 'investment' from Prime Noble Properties (new company) and Aspen Woolf, it looks a far cry from these photos - In view of the number of failed property schemes in Manchester this is what the property looks like today. I would want to see independent evidence that the proposition is sound.

    http://bit.ly/2clqERW
    Originally posted by off to market
    Why do you keep getting sales details for these types of properties?
    Do you ask for it or is it unsolicited?
    Have you asked for 'independent evidence that the proposition is sound'?
    Are you even considering investing in this?

    You posted exactly the same thing on this thread on 10th September.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=71283373#post71283373
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 25th Sep 16, 8:52 AM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 8:52 AM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 8:52 AM
    It's a bit ironic that Britain's top soap has a story line which features a dodgy flats scheme in Salford Manchester. Ford Lane Salford is a stones throw from MediaCity where Coronation Street is made.

    Coronation Street: Take a look at Phelan's dodgy flats scheme

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/coronation-street-phelan-flats-corrie--11928308
    Originally posted by mostonanne
    Is Coronation Street really 'Britain's top soap'?
    It last won Best British Soap at the British Soap Awards in 2013.
    Prior to that, it last won in 2007.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 25th Sep 16, 4:20 PM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 4:20 PM
    • #5
    • 25th Sep 16, 4:20 PM
    Have received sales details for this 'investment' from Prime Noble Properties (new company) and Aspen Woolf, it looks a far cry from these photos - In view of the number of failed property schemes in Manchester this is what the property looks like today. I would want to see independent evidence that the proposition is sound.

    http://bit.ly/2clqERW
    Originally posted by off to market

    Here's a better investment
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8732854/Chinese-solid-gold-Olympic-mascots-begin-to-rust.html

    "For patriotic fans of the 2008 Beijing Olympics, they were billed as the perfect purchase – limited edition versions of the games five mascots, crafted in "99.9 per cent" fine gold.

    But as gold prices soared in recent years hopes that that the golden mascots dolls might prove a good investment have turned to dismay after owners discovered that the commemorative 'golden' dolls were starting to rust.

    One angry customer told China's state broadcaster, China Central Television (CCTV) that he had paid nearly £2,900 for 38 of the golden Fuwa, or "good luck" dolls which showed the five Beijing Games mascots engaged in a variety of Olympic sports.

    The man, identified as Mr Chen from the eastern province of Jiangsu, said he had purchased the dolls through the Bank of China in a smart presentational box, complete with a certificate of authenticity from the 29th Olympic Games Organizing Committee."
    Last edited by hollydays; 25-09-2016 at 4:24 PM.
    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 25th Sep 16, 6:32 PM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 6:32 PM
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    • 25th Sep 16, 6:32 PM
    the same stuff as he always posts
    Originally posted by off to market
    Yawn !
    • off to market
    • By off to market 5th Oct 16, 8:46 AM
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    • #7
    • 5th Oct 16, 8:46 AM
    Viewpoint Salford, Fresh Start Living, Prime Noble Properties
    • #7
    • 5th Oct 16, 8:46 AM
    UPDATE: ON PROPERTY INVESTMENT FORUM :

    Anyone investing in Viewpoint Salford, be aware that this property is owned by FSL Properties Ford Lane Limited, a company owned by Empirical Property Group Limited, previously known as Fresh Start Living (Holdings) Manchester.

    Charles "Charlie" Cunningham is connected to all these businesses and you can see his track record here:

    Fresh Start Living: Investors and tenants hit by dodgy flats deals:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fresh-start-living-investors-tenants-2303754

    FreshStart Living is shut down by the High Court:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/freshstart-living-shut-down-high-2919959

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4753117
    • softlane
    • By softlane 9th Nov 16, 3:37 PM
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    • 9th Nov 16, 3:37 PM
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    • 9th Nov 16, 3:37 PM
    Investors are already losing money and not a brick has yet been laid.

    FSL PROPERTIES FORD LANE LIMITED

    England and Wales Orders & Judgments
    FSL PROPERTIES FORD LANE LTD
    COUNTY COURT MONEY CLAIMS CENTRE
    A84YJ337
    £41,156
    Unsatisfied Judgment

    7 EMPRESS STREET, OLD TRAFFORD, MANCHESTER, M16 9EN
    FSL PROPERTIES FORD LANE LIMITED
    NORTHAMPTON CCBC 3QG77384
    £897
    Unsatisfied Judgment
    7 EMPRESS STREET, OLD TRAFFORD, MANCHESTER, M16 9EN
    FSL PROPERTIES FORD LANE LIMITED
    NORTHAMPTON CCBC
    3QZ47980
    £5,123
    Unsatisfied Judgment
    EMPRESS MILL, 7 EMPRESS STREET, OLD TRAFFORD, MANCHESTER, M16 9EN
    Last edited by softlane; 09-11-2016 at 3:40 PM.
    • off to market
    • By off to market 16th Nov 16, 12:45 PM
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    • #9
    • 16th Nov 16, 12:45 PM
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    • 16th Nov 16, 12:45 PM
    Update: The telephone number for the developer of Viewpoint Salford - Prime Noble Properties - has now been disconnected.
    • off to market
    • By off to market 28th Nov 16, 3:35 PM
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    Potential Investors of Prime Noble Properties Limited, Viewpoint Salford should be interested in the sole directors erstwhile bankruptcy:

    Bankruptcy Orders
    Lawson Johnston, Percy Fitzroy


    The Old Glebe, Radstone Rd, Brackley NN13 5RB, self-employed consultant, a director of a limited company, formerly a franchisee, lately residing at: Little Close, Leicester Lane, Eydon NN11 3SL and lately residing at: The Gables, Brook Street, Moreton Pinkney, NN11 3QD and lately carrying on business as: Plj Property with another and lately carrying on business as Plj Contracts

    In the Banbury County Court

    No 204 of 2009

    Type of petition: Debtor’s

    Sol House, 29 St Katherines Street, Northampton, NN1 2QZ.
    Last edited by off to market; 28-11-2016 at 3:50 PM.
    • fleshandbone
    • By fleshandbone 28th Nov 16, 4:00 PM
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    So cute x
    • mostonanne
    • By mostonanne 13th Dec 16, 5:57 PM
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    Viewpoint Salford Ford Lane Aspen Woolf
    The latest round of complaints made to the Advertising Standards Authority against property firms’ ads have once again ended only with ‘informal resolution’ of the cases.

    One was against property investment company Aspen Woolf which advertised the Viewpoint apartments in Salford on its website with a claim ‘Stunning Waterfront Location’ when in fact the scheme was not on the waterfront.

    “We contacted the advertiser who corrected the heading used on their webpage” says a spokeswoman for the ASA.

    In a statement, Aspen Woolf said: “The landing page in question was just a simple mistake that was not picked up when proofing the page. The copy ‘Stunning Waterfront Location’ was part of the page template and not removed before the landing page went live. We removed the line as soon as it was brought to our attention as we never want to mislead valued clients.”
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 14th Dec 16, 8:28 AM
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    Pollycat
    The latest round of complaints made to the Advertising Standards Authority against property firms’ ads have once again ended only with ‘informal resolution’ of the cases.

    One was against property investment company Aspen Woolf which advertised the Viewpoint apartments in Salford on its website with a claim ‘Stunning Waterfront Location’ when in fact the scheme was not on the waterfront.

    “We contacted the advertiser who corrected the heading used on their webpage” says a spokeswoman for the ASA.

    In a statement, Aspen Woolf said: “The landing page in question was just a simple mistake that was not picked up when proofing the page. The copy ‘Stunning Waterfront Location’ was part of the page template and not removed before the landing page went live. We removed the line as soon as it was brought to our attention as we never want to mislead valued clients.”
    Originally posted by mostonanne
    What more would you want them to do?

    They've responded to the complaint and rectified the error.

    Wouldn't it become pretty obvious when someone viewed the development that it wasn't on the waterfront?

    Or do people buy property without viewing at all?
    • mostonanne
    • By mostonanne 14th Dec 16, 9:53 AM
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    Prime Noble Properties Ltd, Viewpoint Salford Ford Lane Manchester
    "Or do people buy property without viewing at all?"

    Yes they do, especially if they live overseas and trust the "advisors" who introduce them to these schemes.

    http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14908996.More__deceived__investors_come_forward_ov er_developer_s_collapse/

    http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/14963935.South_Essex_businessman_awarded_millions_ of_pounds_in_damages_at_High_Court_hearing_over_Ca ribbean_property_development/

    Mr Justice Coulson concluded that Mr Ames was “dishonest” but was poorly advised.

    He said: “Mr Ames described himself as a visionary. In my view, that is not an apt description.

    “I consider that he was more of a Walter Mitty-type figure who, through an unhappy mixture of dishonesty, naivety and incompetence, has caused irreparable loss to thousands of people."

    “The only consultant that he employed who appeared to be involved in every important element of the Harlequin business model was Mr MacDonald of Wilkins Kennedy. This case centres on the extent (if at all) to which Mr MacDonald should have advised Mr Ames to take a different course.”

    Mr Justice Coulson added that there remains a serious fraud investigation which is ongoing against Harlequin.

    The Serious Fraud Office, together with Essex Police, is investigating the Harlequin Group of companies, includes the marketing, sale and construction of luxury off-plan property developments in the Caribbean and other locations.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 14th Dec 16, 10:46 AM
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    "Or do people buy property without viewing at all?"

    Yes they do, especially if they live overseas and trust the "advisors" who introduce them to these schemes.
    Originally posted by mostonanne
    The phrase "a fool and his money...." comes to mind.

    You've still not answered what more you would expect Aspen Woolf to do.

    I'm confused why the 'dishonest but poorly advised' Mr Ames was awarded a load of dosh.
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 14th Dec 16, 11:42 AM
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    I'm confused why the 'dishonest but poorly advised' Mr Ames was awarded a load of dosh.
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    The dosh has not been awarded to him personally but to his company, Harlequin Property. Moreover, the money will not be paid directly to Harlequin Property until compensation has been sorted for the investors. So effectively the court has ensured that the money from the accountants will be used to compensate investors and cannot be squirreled away by Ames.

    He was awarded $11.6m damages against his accountants for what amounts to failing to stop him from running a property investment scam. Harlequin brought six charges against their accountants and five were thrown out, but the other claim, for overpaying contractors, was upheld. The initial damages were $25.7 million but this was reduced to $11.6m due to "contributory negligence" by Harlequin itself.

    About £300m was invested in Harlequin so the $11.6m from the accountants is not going to go very far, unfortunately for the investors.
    • mostonanne
    • By mostonanne 15th Dec 16, 2:27 PM
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    Rotherham Development linked to Dubious Investment Schemes
    Rotherham Development linked to Dubious Investment Schemes

    http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2016/12/news-5273-rotherham-redevelopment.html
    • mostonanne
    • By mostonanne 22nd Dec 16, 1:16 PM
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    rime Noble Properties, Viewpoint Salford, freshstart living, empirical property
    Just seen this:

    Is this property "investment" ever going to be completed? In 2012 as Fresh Start Living Ford Halls it was going to be before the end of the year. For the last 2 years it has been going to be completed by end of 2014. Mid 2015, 2016.

    Then it was going to be the 2nd quarter of 2017 (attached) and now it is going to be 2018......?


    https://www.scam.com/showthread.php?711430-Viewpoint-Salford-Manchester-View-FreshStart-Living-Prime-Noble-Properties-Vesper-Stone
    • mostonanne
    • By mostonanne 17th Mar 17, 6:58 AM
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    Pinnacle Alliance Manchester Angelgate PHD1
    Two years ago £30m of flats were sold at this site, now police are investigating

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/two-years-ago-30m-flats-12752872


    Discussion forum for the investors in the Angelgate project in Manchester UK. The project was panned for completion in Feb 2016 but construction progress is almost none. Pinnacle has communicated that they will want more money from the buyers or refund initial payment when they sell the units at higher prices. For Hong Kong buyers, please contact: christyangelgate@gmail.com All other, UK, Europe, Middle East etc, please contact: angelgateukgroup@gmail.com


    http://angelgate-pinnacle.blogspot.com/2016/07/pinnacle-disaster.html
    Last edited by mostonanne; 17-03-2017 at 7:08 AM.
    • off to market
    • By off to market 9th Apr 17, 3:34 PM
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    Charity conman linked to £30m property development at centre of police fraud probe
    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/charity-conman-linked-police-fraud-10187112
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