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    • daddy_bro
    • By daddy_bro 1st Sep 16, 11:52 PM
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    Anybody heard of CWL
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    • 1st Sep 16, 11:52 PM
    Anybody heard of CWL 1st Sep 16 at 11:52 PM
    I've had a couple of phone calls from a company called CWL offering a system for buying and selling shares. They make wild promises about making 10% per month. I've searched everywhere on line but cannot find anyone with a bad word to say about them but then again there is very little out there apart from some press releases and a tiny number of forum treads.
    Has anyone heard of them, good or bad?

    Sorry for making this my first post in ten years membership, been very busy.
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    • runwaychris
    • By runwaychris 17th Sep 16, 4:45 PM
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    I have looked at the press releases and they seem to be written by CWL "National Ops Manager" John Matthews or Peter Matthews depending on which one you read. Either way hardly independant.
    • blossomhill1
    • By blossomhill1 17th Sep 16, 6:52 PM
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    Chris, quick question - when you're waiting to buy at the bottom of an up-slope, how do you know an up-slope is coming and that it's not a down-slope? Equally, how do you know when to sell (top of slope) and that you're not at the bottom of a slope that's just about to rise? Isn't this what all traders are busy trying to figure out all day, every day?
    • DesG
    • By DesG 18th Sep 16, 11:25 AM
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    Chris, quick question - when you're waiting to buy at the bottom of an up-slope, how do you know an up-slope is coming and that it's not a down-slope? Equally, how do you know when to sell (top of slope) and that you're not at the bottom of a slope that's just about to rise?
    Originally posted by blossomhill1
    The magic software tells them

    There are just so many gullible idiots out there that fall for these obvious scams.
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 18th Sep 16, 11:35 AM
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    What else should I be doing to complete due diligence of this product?
    Originally posted by runwaychris
    Brain scan, could be a tumour pressing against the part of the brain that maintains basic intelligence perhaps? Get checked out first thing.
    • runwaychris
    • By runwaychris 19th Sep 16, 4:50 PM
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    According to their spokesperson they are able to better predict rises and falls using data collected over ten years. So how about me asking for the software free of charge? After 2 years of trading with an investment of 2k they "guarantee " I will have 30k profit. So then I will pay them for the software from my profits.??? Rather than paying upfront....Risk to me is 2k which I hold in a trading account and is liquid. Risk to them is greater if I don't make the profits they suggest......
    • dunstonh
    • By dunstonh 19th Sep 16, 5:47 PM
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    According to their spokesperson they are able to better predict rises and falls using data collected over ten years.
    10 years in which highly unusual events occurred and you would need to go back 80 years to find similarities. Data goes back much further and is available to all.

    So how about me asking for the software free of charge? After 2 years of trading with an investment of 2k they "guarantee " I will have 30k profit.
    They make money selling mugs the software.

    I will have 30k profit. So then I will pay them for the software from my profits.??
    You wont have 30k profit. So, you can forget that idea.

    Give it up.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). Comments are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice. Different people have different needs and what is right for one person may not be for another. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from a Financial Adviser local to you.
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 19th Sep 16, 6:38 PM
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    bigadaj
    According to their spokesperson they are able to better predict rises and falls using data collected over ten years. So how about me asking for the software free of charge? After 2 years of trading with an investment of 2k they "guarantee " I will have 30k profit. So then I will pay them for the software from my profits.??? Rather than paying upfront....Risk to me is 2k which I hold in a trading account and is liquid. Risk to them is greater if I don't make the profits they suggest......
    Originally posted by runwaychris
    Let us know how you get on.
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 20th Sep 16, 11:29 AM
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    Malthusian
    According to their spokesperson they are able to better predict rises and falls using data collected over ten years. So how about me asking for the software free of charge? After 2 years of trading with an investment of 2k they "guarantee " I will have 30k profit. So then I will pay them for the software from my profits.??? Rather than paying upfront....Risk to me is 2k which I hold in a trading account and is liquid. Risk to them is greater if I don't make the profits they suggest......
    Originally posted by runwaychris
    You should definitely ask CWL why they don't offer to give you the software in exchange for, say, 10% of all your profits. This would be much more profitable for them because they'd have £3,000 after two years rather than £2,000 and an income stream which would continue for life. And you'd be happy because you'd still have £25,000 of free money.

    The OP may well be consulting other forums such as this thread which is one of the first that appears on Google for "CWL trading" along with a similar thread on an apparently different forum. It seems to be full of helpful people who appear far less cynical than we about CWL's software. However, it is interesting to note that even though the various helpful members all have postcounts in the hundreds or thousands, when you do a search for "site: onlinemoneytalks.com" plus their username, only that one single thread appears, despite the fact that they supposedly have thousands of other posts on the site.

    There are plenty of other forums on both sites although it takes a bit of effort to find them as many links either send you to a sign up page or are bizarrely misdirected to "javascript://". However, another Google search reveals that every single other thread on those sites which isn't about CWL trading software has been lifted from our own MoneySavingExpert forums, but with the posters' names changed.

    So in summary, you are considering buying software from people whose threads appear on fake forums which have been set up by stealing threads from MoneySavingExpert wholesale, with an added thread full of non-existent fake posters saying how great CWL is, apparently to con anyone who is Googling CWL trading software into thinking that other people are using it successfully. Good luck.
    • eskbanker
    • By eskbanker 20th Sep 16, 11:36 AM
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    fake forums which have been set up by stealing threads from MoneySavingExpert wholesale
    Originally posted by Malthusian
    Good spot! They haven't exactly gone to great lengths to conceal this either, http://onlinemoneytalks.com/showthread.php?3171-MSE-Eligibility-Checker-Credit-Cards starts with
    I have been following MSE forum postings for a couple of years but have never really had much to contribute, but I have a little something now so felt now is the time to give some feedback / information in my experience
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 20th Sep 16, 6:33 PM
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    It's interesting that they dint guve the software away and then ask for a percentage of the profits.

    It may not generate as much money but would be more legitimate and potentially generate better press, as most people who bothered to review or report would be those that actually made money.

    Just a variation on the tipsters in classified ads who just asked for a percentage of the winnings on the horses, a small number will be winners and not all will pay up, but with sufficient numbers it can still be a good earner. Even more the case if the software had two versions, one going long and one short, meaning that there would be 50% winners at any one point in time.
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 21st Sep 16, 9:31 AM
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    Malthusian
    Even more the case if the software had two versions, one going long and one short, meaning that there would be 50% winners at any one point in time.
    Originally posted by bigadaj
    While digging into these scams I found suggestions that some of these tipsters (they now seem to be called "signal providers") are doing exactly that, telling half of their marks to buy a given option and the other half to sell.

    That way with each tip on a binary option you are guaranteed 50% happy customers and 50%... well, unhappy customers is the wrong word. Some of them will be unhappy but others will easily be gulled by assurances that it was bad luck or beyond the tipster's control, and if they deposit more money they'll recover their losses. Gotta spend money to make money brah. (Remember, these people aren't very bright.) And there's every chance that on your next tip they'll be in the right 50%.

    The traditional approach of pulling a tip out of your backside and sending it to 100% of your marks carries some risk that your first three tips all go against you and the punters desert you before you've got going. But hedging your bets in this way pretty much guarantees that the racket can run and run - until the marks have all run out of money.
    • runwaychris
    • By runwaychris 14th Oct 16, 9:37 PM
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    Thank you all for your insight - very interesting, especially regarding scam forum posts. After declining to proceed a couple of weeks ago they have now been back in touch with an improved offer. £100 credit card deposit followed by £2895 transfer. All money back if not in profit after 6 months.....
    • DesG
    • By DesG 14th Oct 16, 11:38 PM
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    DesG
    Thank you all for your insight - very interesting, especially regarding scam forum posts. After declining to proceed a couple of weeks ago they have now been back in touch with an improved offer. £100 credit card deposit followed by £2895 transfer. All money back if not in profit after 6 months.....
    Originally posted by runwaychris

    Hahahaha


    You really are trying to prove that there is one born every minute!
    • moneyfoolish
    • By moneyfoolish 15th Oct 16, 3:29 PM
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    Hahahaha


    You really are trying to prove that there is one born every minute!
    Originally posted by DesG
    Sounds more like a desperate salesman for the company to me!
    • Michaell
    • By Michaell 9th Feb 17, 11:29 AM
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    This outfit are a bunch of scammers, I had someone ring me up from there trying to sell me this amazing software.


    The old trick of only a few licences left at this special price was used, along with the very hard sell. They will try and close the sale using whatever means necessary.


    I was toying with the bloke and saying to him why not give it to me a for a 2 week trial and if it works I will buy it, but he wasn't having it as it has to be installed on your desktop(after shelling out £5k for it), and no cloud solution available.(must admit that seems a bit odd for a high-tech software company not to have this).


    Also asked him why the large pension funds aren't using this software and he started waffling on about margins they make or something ridiculous.


    My advice is steer well clear, although their dummy website and fake reviews they have created are pretty convincing.


    Their salesmen are ex-timeshare on the Costa Del Sol that have read the FT a few times I would say.
    • Gadfium
    • By Gadfium 9th Feb 17, 11:37 AM
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    Gadfium
    According to their spokesperson they are able to better predict rises and falls using data collected over ten years. So how about me asking for the software free of charge? After 2 years of trading with an investment of 2k they "guarantee " I will have 30k profit. So then I will pay them for the software from my profits.??? Rather than paying upfront....Risk to me is 2k which I hold in a trading account and is liquid. Risk to them is greater if I don't make the profits they suggest......
    Originally posted by runwaychris
    I can beat their offer, no problem. If you send me your money I will *personally* guarantee to make you £35K.
    Where would you like me to wire the monies to?

    Last edited by Gadfium; 09-02-2017 at 11:40 AM.
    • Ladidemi1
    • By Ladidemi1 10th Jun 17, 8:09 AM
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    Big scam
    Run guys, just run from these guys. I'm a victim after persistent calls fell for it .....................huge regret, the software is so disappointing, prompts you to buy the "so called" best stock and you eventually lose you money, so what's the point predicting that you buy that stock! Anyways I realised I've been an idiot, called them after trading for 5months that I'll like to pull out, apparently accepted my reasons, emailed me to confirm closure of account within their so-called 30days processing period, it's been 90days or more now, i have called trying to at least see if i can get some money back, apparently the deal sold to me was that if I'm not happy they can buy back the software at a discount price, so I at least get some quids back - ALL LIES!!, calls just drops each time or is permanently engaged, I guess someone has blocked my email, they won't response to my email as well - Lost in total £2995 - SO SAD!
    • Glen Clark
    • By Glen Clark 10th Jun 17, 8:40 AM
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    You should definitely ask CWL why they don't offer to give you the software in exchange for, say, 10% of all your profits
    Originally posted by Malthusian
    That would still be pretty one sided unless they were sharing your losses too.
    It would be like me giving you lottery numbers, sharing your profits if you win, but not sharing your losses when you lose.
    For society to function well, people generally need to feel that they have a fair chance of success through their ability and efforts. The more entrenched hereditary elites we have, the less likely people are to feel that way
    • AnotherJoe
    • By AnotherJoe 10th Jun 17, 9:40 AM
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    AnotherJoe
    - Lost in total £2995 - SO SAD!
    Originally posted by Ladidemi1
    On the upside, consider that £3k money well spent as financial education. That could save you from much bigger scams and losses in future. £3k is peanuts compared to what some have lost in various other "too good to be true" schemes.

    You've had a harsh lesson that hopefully will put you in good standing long term because you won't forget it.

    You could always report this to Action Fraud as well, you never know something may come of it, though it won't be your £3k.
    • Vortigern
    • By Vortigern 10th Jun 17, 3:25 PM
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    Run guys, just run from these guys. I'm a victim after persistent calls fell for it ...
    Originally posted by Ladidemi1
    It's time to change your phone number. You're on a mugs list.
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