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    • benten69
    • By benten69 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants?
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    • 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants? 29th Aug 16 at 8:59 AM
    Wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, so admin, please move if needed.

    Do you guys (and girls) tip when you go for a meal out? Personally I hate the idea, and it's even worse when you've got the waiter standing next to you as you select "No" on the card machine.

    However, I always say that I don't get tips for doing anything extra and providing good levels of service in my job, so why should I pay others extra for a basic service their employers should be paying them for. In my previous role I saved the company £20,000 a day in penalties by delivering the project on time (a week early in fact), but I didn't get anything extra for it, because quite simply, it was my job.

    Hence, I don't agree with tipping. They are doing a job & getting their hourly rate, so why do I need to subsidize it? Tesco don't tell me to pay extra if I go to a till vs going to the self checkout.

    However, if there is a large group of us and say the bill comes out to £18 each, we'll all chuck in £20 and let the waiter / waitress keep the change. That's the only scenario it works in for me, as it saves everyone the hassle of finding change, waiting to get their change, etc.

    What are peoples thoughts?
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    • wazza99
    • By wazza99 13th Apr 17, 3:54 PM
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    I very rarely tip, hate the whole principle of it, almost become the expected even where in general service is nothing more than good.

    I expect good service for free, if someone does something out of their way i might tip but only might.

    My wife works in a shop she gets minimum wage and doesn't get tips regardless of how much she helps out customers, she doesn't expect it so why would anyone else ? why are certain jobs tip friendly others aren't, we have the minimum wage for a reason.
    • aleks1244
    • By aleks1244 22nd Apr 17, 11:47 PM
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    Its your choice if You want to tip or not, i hardly ever tip... like most people say,ITS YOUR JOB...

    I was in a restaurant where one of my friends left a 30£ tip on a 70 pound meal ... Some people do it to for service others do it to show that they are more wealthy than others.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 23rd Apr 17, 1:40 PM
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    They already get a fair wage for their job!. Carrying plates of food and copying down customers orders doesn't take any skill and i don't see why they should get anymore than the minimum wage.
    Originally posted by takman
    That very much depends on the type of restaurant.

    A good waiter will be able to tell you about the dishes on the menu, give advice, and deal with special requests. They should be keeping an eye on you and liaising with the kitchen, making sure your food isn't prepared to soon and isn't sitting around on the pass once it's ready. They should make sure you are happy with the meal and deal with anything that is wrong. They should be topping up your wine and water, and making sure you have everything you need. A good waiter ensures you have an enjoyable experience.

    Many "waiters" these days, particularly in chain restaurants, do little more than carry plates, but there are still restaurants around where the waiters are involved in preparing food table side, such as flambees or steak tartare. This requires skill.
    • max99x
    • By max99x 24th Apr 17, 3:12 PM
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    i live in London so tips are ALWAYS added, its annoying as if the service isnt good you don't want to really tip but then it has to be really bad for me to ask them to remove it from the bill.

    I think tips should always be optional, and always go to the servers
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 25th Apr 17, 9:29 AM
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    I was in a semi-gastro pub a fortnight ago - order and pay at the bar, then food is brought to the table. The card machine automatically invited me to add a tip with a choice of None, 10%, 12.5% and more. That looks very dodgy to me - at that point, I haven't experienced the service beyond placing an order - so if the food or service is lacking, I can't adjust the tip appropriately. Wonder how many people just add on a percentage because they think it is the norm (or out of habit)?
    As it happens - the food was fine and the service was good. Had I been paying at the end, I would have happily tipped. I looked for the server as we left intending to thank him personally and cash tip, but he wasn't about (knocked off? on a break?). I did give feedback online afterwards to make both these points.
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    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 25th Apr 17, 6:51 PM
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    It is NOT compulsory! That is what we Brits forget, so many of us still worried about 'what will be thought of us.' I tip if food and service are good. If they are not, I don't. If the food or the service is particularly bad, I vote with my feet and don't return. If I am asked when paying the bill "Was everything allright?" or similar, I tell the truth.

    It's market research in basic form: if you believe that some part of the meal or service is good or bad, tell them. Either by tipping and saying how good it was, or by not tipping and saying what was wrong.

    I will refuse to tip under compulsion: including a "service charge" should be illegal.
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    • rjwr
    • By rjwr 29th Apr 17, 12:53 PM
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    i find myself apologising for not leaving a tip and consequently i actively avoid restaurants of any description once there is an expectation of tipping.

    I cringe at the thought of seeing "gratuity" on a card machine!
    • ViolaLass
    • By ViolaLass 29th Apr 17, 10:47 PM
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    ...and when the waiter pays tax s/he will be taxed on the income from tips that HMRC estimates from the volume of work so that s/he will have to pay tax on the tip that you don't give!
    Originally posted by Voyager2002
    Haven't scrolled through the entire thread - has this been picked up? It's not true, is it? (I gather it is in the US but didn't think it was here)
    • takman
    • By takman 30th Apr 17, 10:22 AM
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    Haven't scrolled through the entire thread - has this been picked up? It's not true, is it? (I gather it is in the US but didn't think it was here)
    Originally posted by ViolaLass
    Yes it is true if they don't fill out a tax return then they are taxed on estimated cash tips. But they can easily supply information so they are only taxed on what they receive.

    https://www.gov.uk/tips-at-work/tips-and-tax
    Last edited by takman; 30-04-2017 at 10:24 AM.
    • ViolaLass
    • By ViolaLass 30th Apr 17, 11:05 AM
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    Yes it is true if they don't fill out a tax return then they are taxed on estimated cash tips. But they can easily supply information so they are only taxed on what they receive.

    https://www.gov.uk/tips-at-work/tips-and-tax
    Originally posted by takman
    So only a disorganised waiter would get taxed on the tip I didn't give.
    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 30th Apr 17, 5:21 PM
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    I went for a meal last Thursday night, only the Harvester.

    I left the obligatory 10% tip - as it's expected to make up wages.

    But the service wasn't very good at all. I asked for a coffee with the puddings as we had to leave right after pudding. It never arrived & I couldn't catch her to remind her, so we just asked for it to be removed off the bill.
    • takman
    • By takman 30th Apr 17, 6:07 PM
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    I went for a meal last Thursday night, only the Harvester.

    I left the obligatory 10% tip - as it's expected to make up wages.

    But the service wasn't very good at all. I asked for a coffee with the puddings as we had to leave right after pudding. It never arrived & I couldn't catch her to remind her, so we just asked for it to be removed off the bill.
    Originally posted by Kim kim
    Why would you leave a 10% tip if the service was bad?

    Why do you think you need to make up their wages when they get paid the same minimum wage as other people in the service industry that you don't leave a tip for?
    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 30th Apr 17, 8:20 PM
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    Why would you leave a 10% tip if the service was bad?

    Why do you think you need to make up their wages when they get paid the same minimum wage as other people in the service industry that you don't leave a tip for?
    Originally posted by takman
    It wasn't "bad", it just wasn't good. Plus items were missed.
    • DarkShadow
    • By DarkShadow 17th May 17, 3:36 PM
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    If you think there's a tipping culture in UK, wait till you go US. Pay anything less 25% and you get bad looks.
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    • ViolaLass
    • By ViolaLass 17th May 17, 5:15 PM
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    If you think there's a tipping culture in UK, wait till you go US. Pay anything less 25% and you get bad looks.
    Originally posted by DarkShadow
    Although if you're a tourist and unlikely to go back, do you care how they look at you?
    • dawyldthing
    • By dawyldthing 17th May 17, 5:42 PM
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    Although if you're a tourist and unlikely to go back, do you care how they look at you?
    Originally posted by ViolaLass
    I dread to think how expensive it all is now as I went in 2007 and 2008 where it was nearly $2 to the pound so it wasn't too bad. Now I dread to think what the cost of things like eating out are.

    Eating out in the UK - I rarely tip. I don't eat out that often either but I don't always think tipping is necessary
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    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 17th May 17, 9:22 PM
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    I ate out last weekend & this time the service was bad. The waiter made 3 overcharges on the bill.
    We ordered two child prawn cocktails - holding the Childs menu, telling him it was for the children. We were served tiny (7 tiny) prawns cocktail.
    We ordered a large Childs squash, was served a small child's squash & charged for a large adults one.
    It was a Toby carvery, under 3s are free. We had a 2 year old (she's tiny - barely looks 2), he charges for a full Childs meal.

    We very politely pointed this out.
    He got quite shouty & said he'd brought the children adults prawn cocktails, well we asked for Childs portions off the Childs menu.
    He blamed the till for the squash, said the Childs drinks were impossible to find.
    He blamed us for the Childs meal because the chef gave us a paying plate. He said we should have got one from him, we said we asked him!!
    We actually waited quite a while to go up, he didn't bring one.

    Needless to say we didn't tip him, because he raised his voice so much when we asked him to correct the bill that other diners turned around.
    • AubreyMac
    • By AubreyMac 18th May 17, 10:57 AM
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    I personally think service charge being added to bills should be illegal.


    Tipping and how much of it should be down to customers choice and decision. Decent service should be standard in any business.


    Last night I had drinks at 'la pain quotidien', I went to the bar to order a wine and was quoted higher than the menu list, when I pointed this out the barman told me there's service charge added. Seriously, what service? I went up to the bar and ordered myself and took the wine there and then. I asked for this to be removed. Service charge being added to drinks in bars is becoming more common too (I do live in London).


    I know someone who went on a European cruise and was told (even in itinerary) that £200-300 cash tips was expected per person during their 2 weeks cruise. Apparently this was asked for in the mornings. This ship can hold over 4k passengers and if each tipped £250 that's £1m in tips tax free.
    • bertiewhite
    • By bertiewhite 18th May 17, 11:25 AM
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    Only if I think that exceptional service has been received, NEVER if it's expected.

    Also, I give my tip to the server, I don't agree with sharing tips amongst everyone.
    • misimp
    • By misimp 19th May 17, 12:31 AM
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    I generally leave a couple of quid - or round up

    It shows willing, appreciates the service and , as others have pointed out, the waiter will usually have served 3 or 4 customers in an hour - an extra £6ph on top of their wage


    I refuse to go along with the 10% 'rule'



    As far as I'm concerned if I have had a decent meal for under £15 I'm happy to leave £2.......but if I have a meal for £50 I reckon the restaurant can
    afford to pay their staff, I'm not going to leave a fiver, the waiter has not worked any harder




    AND what about the £5 bottle of wine you have just paid £15 for....then they expect you to add another 10% on top of the obscene profit they are already making just for opening it and bringing it to the table....ermm, I don't think so
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