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    • benten69
    • By benten69 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants?
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    • 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants? 29th Aug 16 at 8:59 AM
    Wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, so admin, please move if needed.

    Do you guys (and girls) tip when you go for a meal out? Personally I hate the idea, and it's even worse when you've got the waiter standing next to you as you select "No" on the card machine.

    However, I always say that I don't get tips for doing anything extra and providing good levels of service in my job, so why should I pay others extra for a basic service their employers should be paying them for. In my previous role I saved the company £20,000 a day in penalties by delivering the project on time (a week early in fact), but I didn't get anything extra for it, because quite simply, it was my job.

    Hence, I don't agree with tipping. They are doing a job & getting their hourly rate, so why do I need to subsidize it? Tesco don't tell me to pay extra if I go to a till vs going to the self checkout.

    However, if there is a large group of us and say the bill comes out to £18 each, we'll all chuck in £20 and let the waiter / waitress keep the change. That's the only scenario it works in for me, as it saves everyone the hassle of finding change, waiting to get their change, etc.

    What are peoples thoughts?
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    • Oddjob
    • By Oddjob 4th Oct 16, 8:28 PM
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    In my opinion one should tip because waiters do not get paid as what you are getting paid in a job (say £6000) But what waiters are getting paid? Its not as high as you are paid. Its everyone opinion if they get good service they tip if not they walkout without the tip.
    Originally posted by kmjamal
    I do a good job but I probably earn less than they do, no one tips me as usually I am not in a position for anyone to be able to tip me.
    • adonis10
    • By adonis10 5th Oct 16, 6:15 PM
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    Not usually. Don't understand the concept in an age where there is a minimum wage. And I particularly hate the societal pressure to tip, if anything this makes me less likely to tip. If the waiter/waitress isn't getting paid minimum wage then it is up to them to take it up with their employer.

    Where does it end? Tipping the cashier in Asda? Tipping the car wash attendant? Tipping the worker in Burger King?
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 7th Oct 16, 9:16 AM
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    I don't tip as such, but I'll usually round up to the nearest fiver.
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    • missile
    • By missile 8th Oct 16, 8:20 AM
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    I do not tip where the service has been poor.
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    • Mr.Generous
    • By Mr.Generous 8th Oct 16, 9:03 AM
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    I will tip a couple of £ not a %. Like Bob above round up to the nearest £5 for decent service. I see them wait on 4 tables say while we eat, even if you estimate 2 hrs per cover £3 per table tip that's an extra £6 an hour, and they are very pessimistic estimates. Much more likely £10 per hour tips.
    As well as property developing I will do jobs for people as and when work presents / fits our schedule. If We do a superb job and a couple of extras we might get a £10 bunged over and above the bill. Very rarely. And you won't believe how often people say = oh could you just put that mirror up / fix that hinge / ...
    In the USA I still tip about the same, only 1 person ever commented, a NYC cab driver. I told him tough. It was too expensive anyway!!
    • stockton
    • By stockton 9th Oct 16, 12:32 PM
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    In the USA I still tip about the same, only 1 person ever commented, a NYC cab driver. I told him tough. It was too expensive anyway!!
    Originally posted by Mr.Generous
    That brought back memories of when I worked on a cruise ship docked in New York: a crew member told me he was up in Times Square and had just enough money to catch a cab back to the ship but not enough for a tip.

    When he got out the taxi he thrust the fare in the cabbie's hands and then moved off quickly through the dock sheds. He heard shouting from the cabbie but just ignored it and walked on.

    Eventually he got to the ships gangway and was climbing up it when he heard more shouting from the shed. He was aghast. The cabbie had followed him several hundred yards all the way to the ship. "How am I supposed to live"? he was yelling.

    It is a brave man who doesn't tip a NY cabbie.
    • latisha
    • By latisha 10th Oct 16, 1:57 AM
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    Sometimes I tip when the service though I know it their job.
    • therightthingtodo
    • By therightthingtodo 10th Oct 16, 5:04 PM
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    Having worked as a waiter and now doing quite well for myself I like to tip for all but poor service. I always check with the staff that they do recevie the tip and every time I try to think of how each tip I received made me feel.
    • Jennifer58
    • By Jennifer58 25th Oct 16, 7:45 AM
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    I will always try to tip 10% but only if I feel the person deserves it. I mean if they've been friendly, helpful and I've enjoyed the service then sure, I don't see why not.
    • Pound
    • By Pound 25th Oct 16, 7:39 PM
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    It is a brave man who doesn't tip a NY cabbie.
    Originally posted by stockton
    Tipping is the thing I detest about the US. As soon as I got to my hotel my cases barely touched the ground before someone picked them up and insisted on taking them to my room, and of course wanted a tip. I didn't want any help but I had little choice.

    Even when the service is terrible you're expected to tip. I like to reserve the right to tip when I get good service but it feels I don't have that choice.

    Then if you buy a drink the barman gives you your change but expects you to give it (or some of it) back. It seems bizarre to me that you have play yoyo with your money every time you buy something.

    And then of course there's the awkwardness when you 'owe' someone a couple of dollars but you've only got a ten.

    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 25th Oct 16, 7:57 PM
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    Tipping doesn't really live up to its name.

    I'll tend to tip more at cheaper places, than expensive. If the expensive places can't pay their staff well, then the management need to take less of a cut.

    I got back from a cruise 2 weeks ago, where they expected a $12.95 a day, per person in the cabin (room). Yup, they wanted an automatic tip of £39 a day for a family of 4, just to be on holiday on the ship.
    Originally posted by ringo_24601
    Why don't they just put the "tip" onto the holiday price & pay the staff they wage they need to pay to attract & retain them.
    • benten69
    • By benten69 26th Oct 16, 1:04 PM
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    I totally forgot about this thread until just now. However, it reminded me of this YouTube video I saw a few months ago.....

    https://youtu.be/q_vivC7c_1k

    Done in an entertaining way, but gives a brief insight to the history of tipping and why you shouldn't do it, as it was originally started as a means for owners to quite simply, not pay their staff proper wages and make them earn money from the customers through tips.
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    • mamabuddah
    • By mamabuddah 26th Oct 16, 1:56 PM
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    In my opinion one should tip because waiters do not get paid as what you are getting paid in a job (say £6000) But what waiters are getting paid? Its not as high as you are paid. Its everyone opinion if they get good service they tip if not they walkout without the tip.
    Originally posted by kmjamal
    Not quite sure what this means? If a waiter/waitress is "low paid" what exactly does that mean? Surely there are minimum wage conditions? If that is the case then it means a waiter serving drinks, or serving in McDonald's or even someone with £30k of debt who has just graduated from uni working in Poundland while trying to find their dream career are all getting paid the same per hour. So why should one low paid worker get tips when say the graduate in Poundland on the same wage but perhaps with a shed load of debt doesn't get anything for being good at their job?

    Just throwing that out there to see what you think.
    No two ways about this one: Anything Free is not a Basic Right..it had to be earned...by someone, somewhere
    • MacMickster
    • By MacMickster 26th Oct 16, 5:41 PM
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    I always tip for excellent service but not if I have struggled to gain the attention of the waiting staff. It does puzzle me though that any restaurant owner would allow their staff to give less than excellent service. They should be on the ball taking and delivering drinks orders, upselling where possible and ensuring that each customer feels valued and enjoys the experience of dining there.

    A good waiter should be worth far more than minimum wage to the business.
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    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 26th Oct 16, 8:03 PM
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    I will always try to tip 10% but only if I feel the person deserves it. I mean if they've been friendly, helpful and I've enjoyed the service then sure, I don't see why not.
    Originally posted by Jennifer58
    But only if I feel they've deserved it.......

    That is precisely why tipping is an outdated custom that should have no place in a first world country in the 21st century.

    If a waiter really needs that 10% service charge because of crap wages then they need it regardless of whether they've been too busy to give you great service, or the chef has prepared the meal to your liking or it's been a dead as a dodo day & they only had one or two tables!

    They should be paid a decent wage for their labour & it should be the same rate per hour every hour, not vary wildly. Their bills will remain constant, they can't pay their rent/mortgage less when they've had a bad month.

    It's because I used to waitress years ago (1980s) & was desperately dependent on tips to make a liveable wage that I feel so strongly about this.

    I could barely afford to take annual leave in leaner times as it was back to basic wage. I was a single mother (before the days of all these tax credits) & it was really hard to cope with the swing in wages on a low paid job. My childcare & bills didn't swing low if I had a bad week.
    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 4th Nov 16, 2:22 PM
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    I don't really tip, I generally factor in costs of going to one place over another, whats the point eating at one place which is say £6 if I have to give a tip and another higher quality place at even £7 where its no tip.

    Only places I tip is a few times a year I go to a Italian restuarant, theres one in Edinburgh where I can get a 3 course meal for £6.20 and the guy is so friendly he remembers me every time I go in so I put just £1 into it as its so cheap I don't know how he does it, and one in Glasogw which is like £6 for 2 courses at lunchtimes and start of week

    Only other time I tip is lets say I make a large order when friends are around for take out for like £19 so I give the £1, or £38 would give £2.

    Because I am already paying for delivery costs which are expensive anyway (well £2 delivery and so if the person makes multiple deliveries in area thats a big profit) its not as if its free delivery.

    The only times I have ever tipped was when I was younger and I got a new job so I had much more money that I was used to or when I got student loan.
    • adom_thomas
    • By adom_thomas 21st Nov 16, 5:28 AM
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    Wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, so admin, please move if needed.

    Do you guys (and girls) tip when you go for a meal out? Personally I hate the idea, and it's even worse when you've got the waiter standing next to you as you select "No" on the card machine.

    However, I always say that I don't get tips for doing anything extra and providing good levels of service in my job, so why should I pay others extra for a basic service their employers should be paying them for. In my previous role I saved the company £20,000 a day in penalties by delivering the project on time (a week early in fact), but I didn't get anything extra for it, because quite simply, it was my job.

    Hence, I don't agree with tipping. They are doing a job & getting their hourly rate, so why do I need to subsidize it? Tesco don't tell me to pay extra if I go to a till vs going to the self checkout.

    However, if there is a large group of us and say the bill comes out to £18 each, we'll all chuck in £20 and let the waiter / waitress keep the change. That's the only scenario it works in for me, as it saves everyone the hassle of finding change, waiting to get their change, etc.

    What are peoples thoughts?
    Originally posted by benten69

    It completely depends on person's nature! Tip or incentives kids of things are necessary to motivate!

    • 1886
    • By 1886 21st Nov 16, 7:04 PM
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    It's very rare for us to tip but we did when we went out to the local Pizza Express about two weeks ago as I thought the girl serving us was very polite and competent.

    However, nine times out of ten we don't tip because the staff are being paid a wage to do the job. They don't need a tip anymore than the person on the till who scans my shopping at ASDA. Where do I draw the line?

    Secondly, it seems that more often than not when we go to a restaurant we could have up to five different servers come over to the table whilst we are there. Some are very average and one may be good.

    If I leave a tip I would only want the good server to get the tip but normally they are never seen again and if it all just goes in the same jar I don't agree with that as ppl who don't try will get a cut of the ppl's tips who do try. Tipping directly to the decent server is the only way to do it as long as they have'nt vanished
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