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    • sukh38
    • By sukh38 24th Aug 16, 9:09 PM
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    Dont need a TV licence
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    • 24th Aug 16, 9:09 PM
    Dont need a TV licence 24th Aug 16 at 9:09 PM
    Hi all.

    From October I am considering that i will stop paying for the TV licence this is as I dont watch TV at all if anything my daughter watches youtube thats all.

    I have sky and and a freeview aerial fitted.

    When i phoned the TV licence line they informed me if I have any form of TV signal or digital aerial I have to pay for a TV licence as theres a signal comming into the house

    Can anyone give me some advice we dont watch TV but do have a aerial.
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    • Nilrem
    • By Nilrem 20th Sep 16, 2:40 AM
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    At the time when the BBC were helping decide the basic freeview spec (alongside the commercial operators including from memory Sky) the card slot would have had big cost implications for the boxes.

    That was a far more important thing to consider at the time than some theoretical scenario at least 5-15 years in the future when the BBC may go sub.

    From memory at the time the BBC's instructions from the government were to make the switch-over as simple, pain free and affordable as possible, adding something that could have added significantly the cost of a basic box wouldn't have gone with those instructions.

    IIRC there is nothing stopping freeview compliant boxes and sets having a card slot (my TV is both freeview and has a CAM slot and was bought about 9 years ago...), except that it was a costly addition for standalone boxes, most larger flat screen TV's at the time came with the slot as standard because it was required in other EU countries on certain size sets.

    So choice of a specification that could be implemented cheaply, or one that had an expensive addition on the vague idea that sometime within it's operation life it would be required for reception of one of the main broadcasters, despite the fact that no one in government (or opposition) had given any real, serious indications they would fundamentally change the way the broadcaster would be funded or broadcast.

    I can't imagine why in such a scenario given the instruction to get the boxes rolled out with minimal cost to consumers that they might have decided not to include it as a required part of the base specification.

    The situation may change when the DVT2 switch over happens and we hopefully all go to Mpeg4 or better, but when that happens the price of the inclusion of the card reader will in real terms be a fraction of what it was 14 years ago (and probably be down to the inclusion of a couple of IO lines from a basic card slot to a SOC that does all the reception work, as opposed to multiple components and a a bulky daughter board).
    Last edited by Nilrem; 20-09-2016 at 2:44 AM.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Sep 16, 8:57 AM
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    It's somewhat academic, now, though I think it does paint part of a bigger picture in which the BBC does not act in the wider public interest, or, in fact, in good faith.

    It's all very well characterising the decision in the benign way that you do - or at least it would be if the person who was responsible for the BBC at the time had not already confirmed that undermining a potential change to subscription was prominent in their thinking. Therefore, that process is not a figment of my imagination, as you imply, but actually stated by the DG of the BBC as being a very valid consideration.

    In effect, you are not disagreeing with me, but with Greg Dyke, which seems somewhat pointless. History has been written, and he wrote it.

    Bringing this up to date, the Perry Review took advice on this from none other than Michael Grade (that well-known technical expert ) and concluded that Subscription was not presently an option. However, that was before the 1 Sep changes, which look (on first impressions) to have been a disaster for the BBC.

    I can certainly see that the BBC will be making further representations to Government before too long, and subscription will be back on the table.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 20-09-2016 at 9:01 AM.
    "He knows more about the UK TV Licence than anyone I've ever met".
    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 27th Sep 16, 11:08 AM
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    ...NOW they talk about a log in
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-37477229
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 27th Sep 16, 11:36 AM
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    Indeed, but even then they are clinging to the idea that it is about user experience, and they claim that no info will be used in Licence Enforcement.

    I wonder how long it will be before the Public and the Government tire of their nonsense?
    "He knows more about the UK TV Licence than anyone I've ever met".
    • surfsister
    • By surfsister 30th Sep 16, 11:35 PM
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    well our family have been hounded for 2 years as we have no tv and the aerial cable is clearly outside the double glazed window.

    We have written about 20 letters and emailed many many times and rung them but they will not stop sending us threatening letters; despite my MP contacting them - they stopped for a short while and started again with gusto and a home visit!!!

    Yet when we moved in we had a tv license from the old house with 6 months to run and could we get a refund NO WAY!!!
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 1st Oct 16, 9:34 AM
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    Cornucopia
    Sounds like your address's database entry is messed up.

    I'm sure if you were to start charging them to deal with their letters, they would soon stop.
    "He knows more about the UK TV Licence than anyone I've ever met".
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 1st Oct 16, 11:33 PM
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    Some years ago I did invoice them. It was a very reasonable sum :-), but they didn't pay it. It got them off my back for a considerable period of time, but it was so long ago that I can't remember for how long.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 2nd Oct 16, 9:20 AM
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    Cornucopia
    Some years ago I did invoice them. It was a very reasonable sum :-), but they didn't pay it.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    What happened when you took it to Court?
    "He knows more about the UK TV Licence than anyone I've ever met".
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 10th Oct 16, 7:35 PM
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    What happened when you took it to Court?
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    My hourly rate was so cheap it wasn't worth it! I couldn't see myself getting punitive damages. ;-)

    Another couple of interesting points that you might like to comment on and illustrate the legal complexities..

    Some weeks ago I clicked no to a question on the BBC web site as to whether I had a licence, and as a result was not able to view a video clip. No problem there as I understand the new regulations and I was just being inquisitive.

    Today I've just seen a clip which said 'Web Exclusive', i.e . it hasn't been broadcast, yet was unable to view it. I'm guessing it's due to the server that is supplying it? Before you ask, clearing cookies did help..

    The other thing I noticed the other day was on Youtube where some top football clubs put up match videos of their kids and reserve teams. Is that classed as broadcast TV?

    If I livestream a webcam of my garden birdtable would that be a broadcast?

    Just idle musings really. In the meantime I could be really childish and buy one of these :
    http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/our-offers-2491.htm?action=showDetail&id=37887
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 15th Oct 16, 4:51 PM
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    Another couple of interesting points that you might like to comment on and illustrate the legal complexities..

    Some weeks ago I clicked no to a question on the BBC web site as to whether I had a licence, and as a result was not able to view a video clip. No problem there as I understand the new regulations and I was just being inquisitive.

    Today I've just seen a clip which said 'Web Exclusive', i.e . it hasn't been broadcast, yet was unable to view it. I'm guessing it's due to the server that is supplying it? Before you ask, clearing cookies did help..
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    Yes - it'll be saving a Cookie on your computer telling the Server that you previously clicked for "No Licence", and now it's automatically rejecting your requests for content. Thanks for mentioning that, as it'll undoubtedly come up again at some point.

    The other thing I noticed the other day was on Youtube where some top football clubs put up match videos of their kids and reserve teams. Is that classed as broadcast TV?
    No pre-recorded clips/videos on Youtube require a Licence (not even the ones from the BBC). The only thing to watch out for would be live streaming on Youtube that is running in parallel with a traditional UK broadcast, and I can't imagine there is much of that.


    If I livestream a webcam of my garden birdtable would that be a broadcast?
    No.

    Unfortunately, "Live Broadcast" is something of a misleading misnomer, and is not how the legislation is framed. The legislation talks about a "programme service", which I interpret as being a linear TV channel.
    "He knows more about the UK TV Licence than anyone I've ever met".
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