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    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 12th Oct 16, 6:33 PM
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    pineapple
    I think there is a (sort of) prepping element to this. Just in the sense that we need to be aware that we are in the middle of a huge population shift and it isn't going to stop any time soon. I do believe this is bigger than we are being told (dons tin foil hat).
    Various figures have been given for the split of war refugees v economic refugees. Whatever - there is a substantial economic element. Why would they risk their lives? Maybe they think it is worth a gamble. Maybe the risks have been downplayed at their end. Maybe people see this as the promised land. Maybe we would too, in their shoes.
    • greenbee
    • By greenbee 12th Oct 16, 6:36 PM
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    greenbee
    I think there is a (sort of) prepping element to this. Just in the sense that we need to be aware that we are in the middle of a huge population shift and it isn't going to stop any time soon. I do believe this is bigger than we are being told (dons tin foil hat).
    Various figures have been given for the split of war refugees v economic refugees. Whatever - there is a substantial economic element. Why would they risk their lives? Maybe they think it is worth a gamble. Maybe the risks have been downplayed at their end. Maybe people see this as the promised land. Maybe we would too, in their shoes.
    Originally posted by pineapple
    Some of them have family here and are trying to reach them. They think that if they claim asylum in the first place they reach they'll have to stay there away from their families.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 12th Oct 16, 6:42 PM
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    Bedsit Bob
    Going on your hols is not prepping lol.
    Originally posted by mardatha
    But being ready, in case you are attacked in your own car, is.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1015-50
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 12th Oct 16, 6:45 PM
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    Bedsit Bob
    Various figures have been given for the split of war refugees v economic refugees.
    Originally posted by pineapple
    There's no such thing as an economic refugee.

    The term is economic migrant.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1015-50
    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 12th Oct 16, 6:50 PM
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    pineapple
    There's no such thing as an economic refugee.

    The term is economic migrant.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    Oops. Quite right Bob.
    I should take more water with it.
    • singlestep
    • By singlestep 12th Oct 16, 8:00 PM
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    But what is the definition of children in this context? I tend to think of 10 year olds in distress and who wouldn't want to help them?
    However if it's a 16 or 17 year old or someone going on 18, I am less sure. Sorry if that makes me Mrs Nasty.
    News items on the plight of migrant children are so often accompanied by footage of young kids but it would be interesting to see an age breakdown..
    PS I'm thinking more in the context of the Calais camps here.
    Originally posted by pineapple
    It certainly doesn't make you Mrs Nasty. You have legitimate concerns.

    I'm equally as interested in the breakdown of ages and also of nationalities. In my mind, the ten year olds/young children would have a family member with them. I'd certainly hope so. The slightly older ones are equally vulnerable in their own ways to all sorts of exploitation - we all know the messes teenagers living in stable-seeming homes can get themselves in to. How long has it taken them to get there and how? Why have is it better or necessary to leave home in that way or at that age? I had this story in mind. I've been thinking about it since.

    westcoastscot, I'm sure no one means to scare anyone off. We all have different perspectives for different reasons. I do feel a lot of empathy for refugees of all ages too and am grateful that I can't imagine what they have come from that makes Calais better.

    I'm going to shut up about it now, though.

    --

    GQ, my job doesn't involve lot of data entry but I do have to create lots of resources in very little time. It's irritating to have to switch to my left hand but probably does me some good, even if just to get me to slow down and strip things back a bit.
    Last edited by singlestep; 12-10-2016 at 8:05 PM.
    • jk0
    • By jk0 12th Oct 16, 9:40 PM
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    GQ, MITSTM recommended I get a track ball.

    I did and it's brilliant. I even found an old one on ebay that works with my Windows 95 machine.
    • milasavesmoney
    • By milasavesmoney 12th Oct 16, 9:42 PM
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    I read in the news that Russia (Putin) is thinking of putting a base in Cuba. Also Vietnam (wonder what China thinks of that?)
    Russia is ratcheting things up all over the globe. There was a time when the US had influence with them. Not anymore. What will hinge, for the US, on our election in November? And for you guys, it's the exit from the EU. Unsettling for a time at least.
    It's very sobering. I'm thinking things could get stirred up, folks. Time to check those preps.

    I was wondering yesterday>>What will things be like in ten yrs? Our world changed dramatically after 9/11 as did your's to a lesser extent. Now Europe's experiencing the fallout of our policies. Obama left a vacumn when he pulled everything out of Iraq all at once...leaving all of our military equipment behind. Our generals warned him that would be a huge mistake, but he thought he knew better. Apparently not.

    The East has been very quiet...except for the nutcase in N Korea.

    Me oh me, interesting times we live in. I'm usually not this cranky or morose. This stupid election has the entire country on edge. 314 million people and these are the best two we can find?
    Stupid, stupid, stupid!
    Last edited by milasavesmoney; 12-10-2016 at 9:47 PM.
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Oct 16, 10:02 PM
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    moneyistooshorttomention
    GQ, MITSTM recommended I get a track ball.

    I did and it's brilliant. I even found an old one on ebay that works with my Windows 95 machine.
    Originally posted by jk0
    Glad you're sorted jko. I think it makes the world of difference personally.

    MILA - I have a theory that seachanges go through in society within a 10 year timespan. A theory first developed for positive changes - but it does seem to apply to the negative ones as well (darn it). I know I look back even 10 years and Society feels so very different to then - and it's only such a short time ago. Looking back 30 years and it could be a totally different country almost - as it feels SO different between my 30s and my 60s. I am guessing the pace of change is much faster than it was in most previous centuries (ie prior to the 19th century - as things seem to have moved pretty fast then). The pace of change has been galloping along in the 20th century - and it feels like it's been going at breakneck speed for the last few years. Is that the downside of the Internet coming into play there - ie as ideas spread across the globe so fast now. Personally - I can even see that seachange has happened in my society just since I moved elsewhere in the country - and that was only 3 years ago!!!!
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 12-10-2016 at 10:08 PM.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.
    • calicocat
    • By calicocat 12th Oct 16, 10:27 PM
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    calicocat
    Dipping in here again....

    News is saying Mr.T is going to be out of stock of goods due to Uniliver demanding more dosh. Other shops may follow suit i guess. Time to stock up maybe ?

    Off to google just what Unilever supply in case i need anything from them...... ......hopefully not.



    Edit, they dont seem to make anything i cant do without or be able to get elsewhere. I do t use Mr.T anyhow, but we can all get by without Unilever it would appear having a look.
    Last edited by calicocat; 12-10-2016 at 10:36 PM.
    Yep...still at it, working out how to retire early..
    • singlestep
    • By singlestep 12th Oct 16, 10:27 PM
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    singlestep
    I'm yet to turn 40 and so I am trying to manage RSI for the long-term. I have next week off, so won't have to think about it as much

    I can also recommend MTSTM's advice on the track ball. It makes a difference at home. Work can't/won't provide me with one - and I'll not be taking one in as I don't have a workstation for my own exclusive use. As it is, one colleague likes appropriating my nice pens/stationery and occasional dehydrated lunch left in my desk drawer for my own emergencies. As a promoted member of staff, although not my line manager, he must realise that they are not provided by the workplace.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 12th Oct 16, 10:45 PM
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    moneyistooshorttomention
    I'm yet to turn 40 and so I am trying to manage RSI for the long-term. I have next week off, so won't have to think about it as much

    I can also recommend MTSTM's advice on the track ball. It makes a difference at home. Work can't/won't provide me with one - and I'll not be taking one in as I don't have a workstation for my own exclusive use. As it is, one colleague likes appropriating my nice pens/stationery and occasional dehydrated lunch left in my desk drawer for my own emergencies. As a promoted member of staff, although not my line manager, he must realise that they are not provided by the workplace.
    Originally posted by singlestep
    But they cost peanuts - by work standards - less than £50! That's petty cash to an employer. It's so low it's petty cash to many of us personally! Mean or what - ie your employer!

    As for the thieving work colleague - I'd be sending him an email (copy to the person in charge). It would be phrased in polite terms - but making it very plain he was helping himself to MY property. Basically - if I had to send him a second one (copy to manager) then I would have just "landed him in it" for being a little thief.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.
    • lavandergirl
    • By lavandergirl 13th Oct 16, 12:19 AM
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    Hello lovely peeps,

    anybody stocking up on Marmite?
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/money/tesco-withdraw-flora-pg-tips-9033259
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th Oct 16, 7:06 AM
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    GreyQueen
    Morning all.

    Just been scanning down the list of the fast-vanishing Unilever groceries and toiletries and confess myself completely unmoved by them being in short and eventually nil supply. Wouldn't phase me if I never saw any of them again.

    Of all that lot, the only thing I can recall ever using are PG Tips very occasionally, and I have switched to Sainsbugs loose tea, plus Tosspots own brand cheapy teabags for work.

    I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the Tosspots boss, a 27 year Unilever man, gets fierce with his former employer. It's a diabolic cheek, imo, and I think U will live to regret it.

    When your entire product range consists of unnecessary things, versions of which can purchased elsewhere, or the truly vile yeast product in the jar (yes, I am not a fan ), you're not too clever to be p*ssing off one of the country's largest retailers, are you?

    I think Uni will be the loser in this, and feel sorry for those employed in the manufacturer and distribution of their products, who may lose their jobs.

    mila, the UK has long been Airstrip One, and we have a big US military presence here. This means that we're vulnerable to international spats between Russia and your country.

    I feel a lot of what's going on in international relations can be filed under sabre rattling, but would have greater concerns about Russia turning off international gas pipelines and leaving parts of Europe without natural gas (gas not being gasoline in English-English, of course) in cold continental winters.

    As for the current presidential election, I watch occasionally with wide eyes and think that this has gone beyond satire and deep into the realms of absurdity. What a choice to have to make............!
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • maryb
    • By maryb 13th Oct 16, 7:31 AM
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    The pound went through a big fall back in the early days of the financial crisis but big food manufacturers didn't dare hoick prices up by 10% back then. They were too worried as it was that people were finding out the difference between needs and wants.

    I do like a bit of yeast extract on toast but it lasts for years and I've got a nearly full jar in. That is about the only one of their products I actually use
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • maryb
    • By maryb 13th Oct 16, 7:36 AM
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    Correction, I do use Hellmann mayonnaise. But Memory Girl posted a recipe on her blog for making mayonnaise instantly if you have a stick blender and it is really good - and cheaper than the Unilever stuff

    http://mortgagefreeinthree.com/2013/06/ten-second-mayonnaise/
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th Oct 16, 7:47 AM
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    Very true, maryb. Needs are actually very few, wants are infinite. I wonder how many millions have been spent on promoting just one U product - 'Chicken Tonight'? TV advertising is expensive. Generic cook-in sauces are widely-available or, whisper it who dares, tell it not on the mountain, you could actually learn to make a simple sauce at home.

    As someone who used to earn her crust in a food factory, I'm concerned about the people who work to produce this stuff, and them getting canned because of U's stubbornness. I really can't believe U are going head-to-head with a retailer who takes about £1 in every £7 spent on groceries in the UK. (U)tter madness.

    A recent kondo-ing at the parental home revealed two full and one nearly full bottles of Comfort fabric conditioner under the sink, bought in a moment of scattiness thinking they were a liquid detergent.

    I'm wondering if we can flog these off in coming months for considerably more than they cost originally............... offers to my inbox, pls.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • maryb
    • By maryb 13th Oct 16, 7:56 AM
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    maryb
    I understand Unilever are trying it on with all the supermarkets. I suspect Tosspots stand will encourage the others to hold firm as well

    End result likely to be a 5% price rise
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th Oct 16, 7:58 AM
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    GreyQueen
    I understand Unilever are trying it on with all the supermarkets. I suspect Tosspots stand will encourage the others to hold firm as well

    End result likely to be a 5% price rise
    Originally posted by maryb
    Yeah, but in the meantime, more people may have taken their grocery money off to Liddly or Aldee or realised that un-fabric conditioned garments are perfectly acceptable.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • thriftwizard
    • By thriftwizard 13th Oct 16, 8:34 AM
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    There's always white vinegar, too...

    I hold no brief for T&sco, I've had run-ins with their customer service people in the past & found the process a bit of an eye-opener, and I'm all too aware how poorly the supermarkets treat my farming friends. But I'm even more worried about how the world's "food" supplies are falling into a very few, very wealthy hands - hands which have no interest whatsoever in the well-being of most of us. Stay out of supermarkets altogether, whenever possible, folks, and put your money back into your own community!
    Angie

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