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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 8th Oct 17, 10:45 AM
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    GQ, hope you and your family aren't too interrupted by the Interesting Day.

    As far as pets are concerned - there's an interesting sub-story in One Second After ... no spoilers from me! Have a read
    Retired August 2016
    • Shropshirelass
    • By Shropshirelass 8th Oct 17, 12:14 PM
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    Mrs LW domestic animals have developed and survived over the millennia, and I hope will surely continue. Sad that some being bred for 'cuteness' seem to be in trouble -I'm thinking of pugs, seen some horrible stories of human nonsense and irresponsible behaviour towards dogs.:
    Last edited by Shropshirelass; 08-10-2017 at 12:15 PM. Reason: Thought of something else.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 8th Oct 17, 12:56 PM
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    As far as pets are concerned - there's an interesting sub-story in One Second After ... no spoilers from me! Have a read
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    Am I the only one, who can't see a link?
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1161
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 8th Oct 17, 1:18 PM
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    I didn't intend to do a link, it would just take you to a purchase page on Amazon if I did. I may have been reading too much apocalyptic fiction, thought it was a standard on here, sorry Bob!

    ETA - and I've just had a look, the one by William Fortschen is the one I mean, and blimey, even the kindle version is £4.49! I'm not linking that on here
    Retired August 2016
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 8th Oct 17, 2:35 PM
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    I've read it.

    Which scene were you referring to?
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1161
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 8th Oct 17, 4:51 PM
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    And breathe, been charging around like a mad thing.

    Out and about for 6 hrs (mainly allotment) and came back to find an absence of streams. The water board guys came back at 4-ish and I've just had a word.

    It is the 5 inch main having burst again but they've got the Tower running off a 'leg' further up-pipe, before the point where the engineer turned the water off. Kind of hard to explain as I can't walk you round the 'hood but it makes perfect sense on the ground.

    They seem surprised that the water pressure in my flat is down as it should be sufficient but said that they expect to fix the main tonight and if they do, and my pressure prob isn't sorted, I have a separate water problem.......... joyous.

    We have an awful lot of mud here and some big holes in the ground, the one they dug and the one that subsided over the site of the last burst. They're going to be doing some more digging, including a partial dismantling of what we normally regard as part of the external environment of the Tower. They've brought a digger on a trailer and are waiting for the gennies and lights.

    Gonna be a noisy evening, for sure. Would have been pretty noisy this morning after we'd gone out as they had to bring tankers down here to pump the water out of various places where it didn't oughta have been.

    On the plus side, we still have water, light and power and telecoms. And a lot of mud on the roads.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • calicocat
    • By calicocat 8th Oct 17, 6:17 PM
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    Keep a purposeless animal for entertainment and emotional satisfaction is a luxurious habit which would not last in a real crisis.

    What happens with dogs in a reeling economy is that they are abandoned by their owners. When things get really bad, the packsof stray dogs disappear into stewpots. Likewise other animals; only the other week someone was telling me about a thoroughbred racehorse stallion (not in this country) which was killed and turned into human foodstuffs.

    Cats are pretty adept at fending for themselves and every one I've ever known has been an adept hunter and a pretty good sneak-thief. Cats also have to be domesticated at each and every generation and kittens who aren't handled will soon become feral cats. I know of a colony of them which has been in existance for several years and they seem in pretty good shape, doing their own thing down by the river.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen

    I will kill anyone who puts my cat in a stew.....actually she wouldn’t give much as she is skin and bone now anyway.

    I guess her fur would make nice warm gloves, but she is only small, so you would only maybe actually get one glove out of her....
    Question...

    Went into crawl space ( no spiders encountered I am pleased to say)..

    Several bottles of ragu sauce, boxes of passatta, curry sauces in bottles, tins of tuna. All about to go out of date or are just out. Plan is to eat these and replace, but do you guys think these dates are that important ? They are obviously best before dates. The tuna i’m not bothered about as tins last for ages, it’s more that the other stuff is sauces ?.

    The pasta , rice , herbs , salt, pepper, and vinegar mountain I am assuming will be ok.

    Cat still avoiding bed, but it has been sunny so in conservatory. She is also on hunger strike again.....but ate food when I was away yesterday night , as she nad no servant to change it so something else....little rugger.

    Hope the water pressure gets fixed GQ.
    Last edited by calicocat; 08-10-2017 at 6:27 PM.
    Yep...still at it, working out how to retire early..
    • DawnW
    • By DawnW 8th Oct 17, 7:36 PM
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    Question...

    Went into crawl space ( no spiders encountered I am pleased to say)..

    Several bottles of ragu sauce, boxes of passatta, curry sauces in bottles, tins of tuna. All about to go out of date or are just out. Plan is to eat these and replace, but do you guys think these dates are that important ? They are obviously best before dates. The tuna iím not bothered about as tins last for ages, itís more that the other stuff is sauces ?.

    The pasta , rice , herbs , salt, pepper, and vinegar mountain I am assuming will be ok.
    Originally posted by calicocat
    I wouldn't personally worry about using the sauces after their date, but if you are at all worried, just open them, tip the contents into freezer bags or tubs, and freeze them. I don't often use bought sauces, but if I happen to use a part jar, I always freeze the rest of it for another time, and it is fine. This also goes for leftover canned veg, things like curry paste etc. Come to think of it, I freeze any leftovers of HM sauces too. Don't like waste
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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 8th Oct 17, 8:49 PM
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    The dates on cans and jars and bottles are Best Before dates, all that means is the manufacturer guarantees maximum flavour etc. up to that date. The contents are perfectly edible in complete safety afterwards if the tin is not 'blown' with bowed out ends or if the seal on the jar/bottle is still in place and you get the 'click' as you open it. I ignore best befores and use my nose and common sense to decide if the contents are fine to eat. The same with home made jams and chutneys, we found a jar of raspberry and rhubarb jam right at the back of the cupboard a month or so ago that I made in 2008 and He Who Knows said it will be fine and had it on toast for his breakfast for a while with no adverse effects. Use by dates on fresh things I do take seriously but still apply the nose test as I'm certain things don't go toxic at the exact second the use by date is up!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

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    • calicocat
    • By calicocat 8th Oct 17, 10:08 PM
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    The dates on cans and jars and bottles are Best Before dates, all that means is the manufacturer guarantees maximum flavour etc. up to that date. The contents are perfectly edible in complete safety afterwards if the tin is not 'blown' with bowed out ends or if the seal on the jar/bottle is still in place and you get the 'click' as you open it. I ignore best befores and use my nose and common sense to decide if the contents are fine to eat. The same with home made jams and chutneys, we found a jar of raspberry and rhubarb jam right at the back of the cupboard a month or so ago that I made in 2008 and He Who Knows said it will be fine and had it on toast for his breakfast for a while with no adverse effects. Use by dates on fresh things I do take seriously but still apply the nose test as I'm certain things don't go toxic at the exact second the use by date is up!
    Originally posted by MrsLurcherwalker

    I have jars of my mums homemade chutneys and jams that I know will last for ages. These are bought sauces so am a bit sceptical about them. Will I think store dried stuff instead from now on other than tinned.

    Thanks for replies folks. ...... Iím sure I ask the same questions every couple of years just to check.
    Yep...still at it, working out how to retire early..
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Oct 17, 7:49 AM
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    Wild Thing turned up her pretty little nose at some cat food which was put on a saucer just outside the back door. Fresh sachet food, normally highly acceptable. But not just then.

    After a couple of hours, it was put on the step of the workshop, 15 feet away from the doorstep, for the birds. Then Modom ate it.

    The water board guys were still working when I went to be last night at 10.30 pm, poor beggars, very long day. What I thought was a dug hole when I spoke to them was actually a subsidence hole. One of my neighbours was watching when the engineer turned off that part of the main and the ground fell in seconds later. They were making bigger holes last night to get at the main to mend it. Heaven knows how many holes in the ground there are now, I may go have a shufti before w*rk if there's time and I don't mind the mud.

    Such fun.

    I was working on my allotment with help from Dad yesterday, specifically re-doing some fencing. For once, I remembered to put gloves on before I got splinters and wounds from the work. It reminded me of several other occasions when doing stuff outdoors, including my week in the woods with the mad bushcrafters, where my hands took a heckuva lot of damage.

    Thoughts on this with regard to prepping;

    1. It hurts. That's not fun.
    2. Even minor cuts could be the point of ingress for an infection. You can die of infections, even with a functional health service.
    3. Hands are tools. If the tools are damaged by cuts, bruises etc, they are less efficient and all tasks take longer, if they are even possible.
    4. Handling dirty materials, including waste products, could spread sickness.
    5. Warm gloves protect against cold-related discomfort and damage to extremities and help protect core temperatures.

    So, what kind of gloves to you stock in your life for varous tasks? Have you got supplies of any kind put by, and for what purpose, and are they still usable (i.e. plastic gloves have possibly rotted in storage)?
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 9th Oct 17, 8:03 AM
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    Besides a box of tattoo-ists gloves I have rubbery gardening gloves and I also love knitting gloves... we have a lot of gloves in this house
    • jk0
    • By jk0 9th Oct 17, 8:14 AM
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    I use these for most diy jobs:

    http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Builders-Grippa-Gloves-Orange-Large/p/186928

    Warm, flexible, and protect your hands.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Oct 17, 8:24 AM
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    Thanks, jk0, I think I'll be getting me some of them, one pair for the lottie and a couple of pairs to keep down at the flat.

    I much prefer to work bare-handed for DIY or gardening (the latter encompassing a variety of tasks not always relating to plants or soil) and tend to rack up a fair few minor injuries over the gardening year. And kick myself every time for not wearing gloves - after the event.

    Other tasks which are hard on the hands are gathering/ processing firewood and anything relating to post-catastrophe clear up.

    Oh, and I'll mention this in case it may serve someone reading here; be careful if you ever have to clean up after fire/ smoke damage. SuperGran told me this was something she'd seen several times in her nursing career; really nasty infections in the nailbed of the hands of people who clean up after fire damage.

    If you ever end up doing this kind of cleanup, she recommends double-gloving (inner layer those thin medical gloves). It's painful and difficult to treat, although sweaty robot fingers aren't pleasant, they're better than the consequences.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 9th Oct 17, 8:57 AM
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    It might not be as effective as Dettol but a strong infusion of thyme (1/2oz dried or 1oz fresh) in 1/4 pint of boiling water left to infuse for 20 or so minutes is antiseptic and disinfectant and can be used to wash wounds etc. as well as general disinfectant purposes. In an emergency situation it's probably going to be useful!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • maryb
    • By maryb 9th Oct 17, 9:33 AM
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    When we go sailing and tow a line to catch mackerel, I use those gloves to hold the slippery fish while applying the priest (truncheon used to hit the back of the 'neck' as in the last rites. Black humour among fishermen). I hate it if I can't kill them quickly - I'm no vegan but hate unnecessary suffering
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • maryb
    • By maryb 9th Oct 17, 9:33 AM
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    Why fire related damage in particular GQ?
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • missusP
    • By missusP 9th Oct 17, 2:26 PM
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    Pet preparedness- I have three weeks of wet cat food but not dry as she switched food and my other box was in the stash. After three weeks of crisis I think we will either have had to evacuate or she will need to hunt, but she is very good at hunting.


    Just checked through the go bags. The only thing really past its date were the peanut sachets. I have microwave rice, which can be heated in a pan over a camp fire. Instant mash would need water added, I'm keen on keeping foods that need minimum water, although I have mash and stored water in my general stash.


    On gloves, You reminded me I dont have work gloves in my go bags which would be very useful.


    The camping stove is used in the case of a power cut or my hobs blowing up (happened just before dinner guests arrived) and in 'refuge in place' situations. I agree, if I had to evacuate it is still the best option and is very easy to carry in its case.


    Currently prepping for the pre xmas price rises/no frills vanishing that seems to happen each year. Already stocked up on stuffing and basic beans. Pasta is already going up.


    I was explaining to hubby (not so much a prepper) that my prepping is for very realistic situations like a flu epidemic. Having easy to cook foods and enough medicine on hand could be a life saver in a few months.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Oct 17, 5:14 PM
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    Why fire related damage in particular GQ?
    Originally posted by maryb
    Sorry, should have been more specific- it's the carbon from the fire which gets under the nails and causes the problem. Hurts like hell, apparently. SG has seen it cause very nasty nail infections (and she was a hospital nurse not a GP practise nurse btw) which are hard to treat and take months to clear.

    These guys were often employed as specialist cleaners after fire damage inside buildings. But any of us who were doing similar cleanups could potentially face the same risks.

    I've also heard IRL from a woman whose hubby got an infection of the heart muscles caused by something he picked up doing drainage work. Virtually killed the poor chap, left him with permanant life-limiting damage. And a manager from the water board told me of an employee, great ox of a man, strong as you can be, who ended up a frail shadow after getting Weil's Disease.

    One of the vectors for the bacteria responsible for WD is rat urine and there was a big scare on in the baking hot summers of the mid-late seventies that the river levels were so low that there was a risk of catching WD - since I and kid bruv (under parental supervision) spent a chunk of summer playing in and around the rivers around my hometown, this was a cause for concern.

    If anyone is tempted to think that health and hygiene are for wusses and nancy-boys, bear in mind that bacteria don't think, they just do their stuff and can wreck the health of even the strongest people in the prime of life.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • maryb
    • By maryb 9th Oct 17, 5:32 PM
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    All that proud housewifery in bygone times wasn't just one-upmanship (though that probably came into it, lol) people knew that cleanliness really was their best defence against sickness
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
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