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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 5th Sep 17, 11:11 AM
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    moneyistooshorttomention
    I'm not even angry...just cynical resignation of "What will be will be" basically. Living on Earth by definition means living on the same planet as people at all levels that "get up to all sorts" from general antisocial behaviour to starting wars and all "shades of bad behaviour" in between.

    History books tell us it was always that way as far as we can see/there's loads of it at all levels going on now (just one 10 minute walk outside the front door will reveal low level bad behaviour on any day of the week) and I expect there always will be.

    Hence - I don't even feel like anger. That went years ago - once I realised the human race is probably never going to change - darn it
    #MeToo

    Why should our needs override the needs of all other living species? What makes us so special? (Brigit Strawbridge)
    • kittie
    • By kittie 5th Sep 17, 12:29 PM
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    money there are all sorts of good people out there, salt of the earth but its the selfish ones, the ones who want power by any means who make the news. So much good goes on but quietly, got to remember that and get all into perspective. I hardly have anything on tv these days and certainly not the news. Don`t have the news on and other programmes and don`t get brainwashed and manipulated
    • jk0
    • By jk0 5th Sep 17, 5:06 PM
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    I'm pretty sure kittie meant to type NK

    I agree, absolutely no point in worrying.
    Originally posted by ivyleaf
    I've been having mischievous thoughts today...

    Just musing that your house gets vaporised while you are in the fallout shelter, but you take solace from the fact that it was tidy when it happened.

    You may have guessed I'm a hoarder.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 5th Sep 17, 7:54 PM
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    I always think of this song when nuclear sabres are rattling ....... http://www.famousfix.com/topic/tom-lehrer-we-ll-all-go-together-when-we-go

    There are some folks who are not familar with Tom Lehrer's life's work - but there's always time to get with the programme - enjoy!
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 5th Sep 17, 9:11 PM
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    and for getting the populace to accept all kinds of control
    Originally posted by thriftwizard
    The Hegelian Dialectic.

    Personally, I think an EMP strike would be more damaging to society, than a straight nuclear one.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1161
    • elaine241
    • By elaine241 6th Sep 17, 5:59 AM
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    Hello All. I havent posted on hear for ages, but still kept up with prepping which was all started with the original post on the first thread!!

    I am very worried about the two idiots, one an ex reality TV show participant and the other someone who kills his uncle with a missile while making his family watch!!! Neither strike me as stable mentally!

    As for nuclear war unfortunately it wont be a case of sitting outside with the bubbly! Unless you are literally within 5-7km of the bomb you have a pretty good chance of surviving the inital explosion (even if you dont want to) and then dying a slow death in the next couple of weeks/months depending on distance. I have been worried enough to research the survival rates etc and it is all down to wind direction, distance from the blast, topography of where you live, what type of building you are in, exposure time to radiation etc. I am not usually a nutter like this but the two idiots have me seriously worried. I dont think all out thermo nuclear war is an option but limited strikes would still produce radiation clouds etc ( I live on a sheep farm on a mountain in Wales ask me how I know this!!!). I have been sufficiently rattled to order potassium iodode tablets from USA (cheaper, this is MSE!), stock up on water, food etc and make a list of things I need to quietly put away over the next few weeks. Im not rushing out and going mad prepper but I am also building up cartridge stocks for the shotguns!
    Hopefully this will come to nothing, the preps will get used as a matter of everyday life and the potassium iodide tablets used as a dietary supplement!!



    Big Al says dogs can't look up!
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 6th Sep 17, 8:00 AM
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    The 5-7 km radius Elaine being exactly why I'd hope I realised in time to get back to Home City (ie as it would probably cop a direct hit) or, failing that, get to Cardiff (the biggest city in this part of the country) and ditto...it should cop a direct hit.

    Living in back of beyond Wales - I feel I'd have time to hear about it all on the news (or grapevine) as appropriate, get in some booze for my "farewell party for myself", take a last walk round the area and then come back to my house and sayonara time/kill myself off in an immediate death before copping it for a long/slow one whilst upsetting me mentally watching my Society disintegrate around my ears. I take the view personally of "Why would I want to spend weeks getting ill/be thoroughly upset at what was happening/struggling for survival - when I could be there on The Other Side in a few hours partying/catching up with dead friends and sighing with relief at not being on Earth any more". Put like that = no contest and start the "welcome Home" party in a few hours time.

    Might as well be realistic - rather than fighting on for a few more days/few more weeks/few more months in a Society that was nothing remotely like my normal one.

    I would be watching what was happening on Earth (after I'd safely left it and Gone Home) - partly to see how things panned out and partly because I would be waiting for my friends and relatives to join me.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 06-09-2017 at 8:08 AM.
    #MeToo

    Why should our needs override the needs of all other living species? What makes us so special? (Brigit Strawbridge)
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 6th Sep 17, 9:36 AM
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    I take the view personally of "Why would I want to spend weeks getting ill/be thoroughly upset at what was happening/struggling for survival - when I could be there on The Other Side in a few hours partying/catching up with dead friends and sighing with relief at not being on Earth any more". Put like that = no contest and start the "welcome Home" party in a few hours time.

    Might as well be realistic - rather than fighting on for a few more days/few more weeks/few more months in a Society that was nothing remotely like my normal one.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Having read Neville Shute's "On The Beach" at a formative time of life, I don't think I'd be hanging around either.
    • kittie
    • By kittie 6th Sep 17, 11:39 AM
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    I am still being realistic about future house planning, still watching rightmove and now more MK as I realise that I would perhaps but maybe never, have to get my outbuilding stuff and workshop stuff into one single garage. Talking to my gp neighbour today and discussing how bungalows are bad except for the very infirm like RA sufferers. I always knew I wanted stairs, they keep a low level of fitness and mobility in anyone who uses them
    • monnagran
    • By monnagran 6th Sep 17, 12:48 PM
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    From a different point of view, I, and several of my extended family and friends, have had to move very elderly relatives in their late eighties and nineties from their family homes and the reason has been the same in almost every case, stairs. Granted that in a couple of cases there was also the matter of the house and garden being to large to be manageable, but in many cases there was a fall or unsteadiness on stairs.
    The move at this age was horrific for the families, (I could write a book about moving my father at the age of ninety,) and quite upsetting for the old people concerned having to settle into a new environment away from familiar places, friends and neighbours.

    I refuse to inflict this on my own children so, at the age of 78 and still in pretty good nick, I am making the move now while I can still do it myself, always supposing I can actually sell my current house of course, and yes, I am looking for a bungalow.
    I believe that friends are quiet angels
    Who lift us to our feet when our wings
    Have trouble remembering how to fly.
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 6th Sep 17, 1:10 PM
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    I've been in a bungalow since I was 40, and my hips and knees improved a lot when I moved here. With my ME I'd have been really struggling by now if I still had stairs - some days it's like climbing Ben Nevis just making it along the hall
    Watching the preps for the hurricane and wondering why the hell anybody would ever want to live in a house 15ft above sea level...
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 6th Sep 17, 1:26 PM
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    GreyQueen
    My parents the three-bedroom terraced house but, thanks to an extension which includes a shower-room/ WC, the usage of the rooms could easily be re-assigned to make the house function like a bungalow. With Mum having Parkinson's, it isn't unreasonable to believe she may develop problems with the stairs, and it's a great relief to all of us to know they won't be faced with moving in later life of necessity.

    I've seen a lot of grief, in personal life, and well as in working life, caused by people who will not accept that a house with stairs is unsuitable for their octo- and nonogenarian selves. The consequences of failing to face reality are heavy on the individuals and tough on the family.

    Re the hurricane, anyone else seen Branson refusing to evacuate Necker Island? I suppose, if you're rich and powerful enough, you can be deluded that you're also somehow weather-proof.

    I would hope someone is obtaining signatures from evacuation-refuseniks everywhere, to the effect that they will be on their own, and no one will be coming to rescue them. Shocking that others may end up risking and perhaps losing their own lives to come to the aid of those who refused to evacuate when they still had a chance.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • greenbee
    • By greenbee 6th Sep 17, 1:40 PM
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    I expect he's got enough money to be able to rebuild if necessary. And better than running away and leaving behind those who can't afford to escape.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 6th Sep 17, 1:44 PM
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    I expect he's got enough money to be able to rebuild if necessary. And better than running away and leaving behind those who can't afford to escape.
    Originally posted by greenbee
    Yup, and he could still end up as the richest man in the graveyard.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • kittie
    • By kittie 6th Sep 17, 2:00 PM
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    yes, so the best option then is stairs but with potential for a bedroom and shower downstairs ie multi age home and that is what should be built today instead of skinny town houses
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 6th Sep 17, 2:35 PM
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    yes, so the best option then is stairs but with potential for a bedroom and shower downstairs ie multi age home and that is what should be built today instead of skinny town houses
    Originally posted by kittie
    This is what's really exercising me at the moment - in terms of energy, I'm pretty low, and I have arthritis, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if I couldn't manage stairs in 15 years time. I keep wondering whether to move to an apartment of some description, but I don't really want to.

    Solution is really obvious (now, after mulling it over for 2 years!) - yes, do the thing of turning the ground floor into a living space for me - very easy, as the bathroom is already downstairs.

    With a few alterations, to doors, electricity, gas and water supplies, I could very easily rent out the top floor - one bed flat with an office. And if I needed a carer to live in at any stage in the **far** future, the tenant would have appropriate notice and the carer could be installed upstairs.

    Genius
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    • kittie
    • By kittie 6th Sep 17, 4:44 PM
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    This is what's really exercising me at the moment - in terms of energy, I'm pretty low, and I have arthritis, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if I couldn't manage stairs in 15 years time. I keep wondering whether to move to an apartment of some description, but I don't really want to.

    Solution is really obvious (now, after mulling it over for 2 years!) - yes, do the thing of turning the ground floor into a living space for me - very easy, as the bathroom is already downstairs.

    With a few alterations, to doors, electricity, gas and water supplies, I could very easily rent out the top floor - one bed flat with an office. And if I needed a carer to live in at any stage in the **far** future, the tenant would have appropriate notice and the carer could be installed upstairs.

    Genius
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    its looking from outside the box karmacat, I have been nibbling at ideas for quite some time and seem to gain a bit more knowledge from week to week. Nowadays, on rightmove, I am looking at bigger homes but with a room downstairs and a big enough cloakroom/utility room to convert. I am absolutely facing facts about moving and getting settled in the next five years. It`s just about getting the courage to grab the nettle and taking the plunge while I am young enough and able enough to organise alterations. I am waiting for some money, could be weeks or months and when that happens then I think I will go for it. Got my car back this afternoon and have decided to reckie an area tomorrow, check out buses etc. It has to be right, the last move. Its not too far away so I won`t feel totally lost, as I would be in a new area and that thought was frightening me tbh
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 6th Sep 17, 5:07 PM
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    Oh good luck kittie - i hope you'll find the ideal place
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 6th Sep 17, 6:24 PM
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    Fingers crossed Kittie you find "The One" house-wise. It will have a "lot to live up to" as I know how you really like the one you've got.

    Re the possibility of "bungalow legs" as one poster on MSE calls it - I think there is some element of having "to be on the watch" about that (having bought a bungalow myself recently - not by deliberate choice, but because it was the best available house for my money) I feel a bit concerned about that. However, I think I'm keeping pretty active and now my house itself is darn nearly finished (currently hours away from being finished at long blimmin' last) then the plan is to up the activity level and I already have in one of those "step" exercise things and figure that doing stepping exercises on that regularly should equate to walking up and downstairs umpteen times a day - so you could get one of those "steps" maybe?

    I know I'm quite conscious of that myself - as there are no plans to move ever again - but if I found I could move after all = then I would and might end up back in a two-storey house again.
    #MeToo

    Why should our needs override the needs of all other living species? What makes us so special? (Brigit Strawbridge)
    • DigForVictory
    • By DigForVictory 7th Sep 17, 11:20 AM
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    Currently I have three sons in school & live in a three storey dwelling.
    Eventually they'll go & when (a) my husband sees it my way or (b) my husband is dead, I'll have to move to something my knees & balance can cope with [I have moved house-with-children once, moving house-without-children I view with unabashed horror - it'll be a just do it Once job]. Where I fit hoped for grandchildren, I've not yet figured.
    Also, an independent old age with a decent garden may not require me to shift to Widow's Cot until my knees or mind go. I may get away with Not Realising I've been moved to Sheltered Accom!
    However, I think I'd like quite a bit more say in proceedings.
    Last edited by DigForVictory; 07-09-2017 at 11:24 AM.
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