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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 10th Jul 17, 7:59 PM
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    Don't worry GQ there appears to be an awful lot of hot air on the thread at the moment perhaps as suggested we could collectively knit granny squares and make ourselves an interstellar hot air balloon to achieve lift off. One small point is that even those of us who were born in 1917 were taught how to be polite, even if we are anonymous!!!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • elona
    • By elona 10th Jul 17, 8:37 PM
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    GQ

    Your scenario reminded me of the play "The admirable Chrichton".
    A rich family were stranded on an island with the servants. After a short time the servants were the ones organising shelter, food, water etc and were the ones being looked up to for their abilities and strengths.

    I don't believe in magic solutions and a planet for us to just move into. I do believe that the harder I work the luckier I get and doing one little thing is better than doing nothing.

    We never know when the smallest thing will make a difference. Years ago I was at an evening event at dds school when a dd asked "Mum, a friend feels awful, do you have any paracetemol/ ibruprofen etc in your bag ? " I handed over a couple of tablets and found later that her friend had needed to have a doctor call later who said how fortunate she had had a couple of painkillers when she did as it had nipped things in the bud.

    My gas hob can be lit if there is a power cut ( I chose it specially) and I have candles , tealights and a couple of solar lamps as well as a solar radio and a few bottles of water in case of works being done on the supply. That has been so useful over the last few years, especially when the 400 year old bridge collapsed and the army were evacuating people from their homes.

    Have just ordered more ant killer as the front and back garden are over run with them. I found a home made recipe on pin*((est
    but not sure what Borax is or I would give it a try.

    The idea "what if?" has saved my bacon many times, whether it is having supplies in while I was ill,making sure I had some savings, extra prescriptions etc.
    "This site is addictive!"
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    • jk0
    • By jk0 10th Jul 17, 8:44 PM
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    How to make a silicone mold on a budget with local materials
    I just came across this on Youtube, which might interest anyone interested in handicrafts:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBAdNZKED4w
    • maryb
    • By maryb 11th Jul 17, 4:27 AM
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    Goodness, someone's feeling bilious - though am I right that there were even more posts? Anyway, even though I couldn't remember if I topped up my water containers inMarch or April they would have been fine for boiling and we had bottled water for drinking so yes, I consider myself reasonably well prepared.

    But more importantly, I was glad we have a bit of resilience in the way the house is set up. We have one loo which fills from the mains. That was clearly out of action this time but it was handy when the cold water cistern in the attic sprang a leak and we had to turn the water supply to the tank off for a couple of days until we could get a plumber in. Conversely, this time, the other loo, which fills from the cistern was still usable, though we resorted to if it's yellow let it mellow.

    But I'm glad that when we had some building work done a year or two ago, we didn't go with the plumbe's suggestion to switch to an entirely mains fed arrangement

    Similarly, having the wood burner and some logs is extra resilience in the event of power cuts in winter. As well as being a lovely cozy source of warmth
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 11th Jul 17, 7:34 AM
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    Oh yes there were several posts of a rather scathing nature but they seem to have gone this morning, looks like we won't be able to fill that interstellar hot air balloon after all.....thinking caps on chums we need another way to escape!!!

    Back to yesterdays Oil topic, I read today that the Saudi Arabian Oil Co. (Aramco) are going to spend $300 BILLION over the next 10 years to just find ways of maintaining the current level of supplies which is frankly just a teensie bit worrysome!!!
    Last edited by MrsLurcherwalker; 11-07-2017 at 9:27 AM.
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • thriftwizard
    • By thriftwizard 11th Jul 17, 4:29 PM
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    I'd imagine the future to have rather more in common with steam punk than with star trek.
    Oh excellent, my steampunk customers are a really lovely crowd! Very creative & inventive, and a whole lot of fun!
    Angie

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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 11th Jul 17, 6:57 PM
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    Oh excellent, my steampunk customers are a really lovely crowd! Very creative & inventive, and a whole lot of fun!
    Originally posted by thriftwizard
    Sound like a fun bunch of people. And I like their style.

    Yup, the future belongs to those who can turn their hand to all sorts of things and who aren't too proud to get dirt under their fingernails. The future isn't going to be shiny individual aircars, it's going to be a lot tougher than the recent past. Let's enjoy it while we can, in the sure knowledge that we're likely to be revealed as the privileged generations living in The Good Old Days.

    It's time to gather together with likeminded folks and share skills and form clans for mutual support, education, resource-sharing and the odd knees-up.

    Knowing youse lot, the very odd knees-up......
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 11th Jul 17, 7:14 PM
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    If it involved us most likely very odd indeed!!!but loads of fun!!!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 11th Jul 17, 8:05 PM
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    One thing that worries me is that such a lot of knowledge has been lost. Good plain commonsense stuff that our grandparents would have learned by the age of 11, and hardly anybody now will know it. That will cost lives.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 11th Jul 17, 8:19 PM
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    One thing that worries me is that such a lot of knowledge has been lost. Good plain commonsense stuff that our grandparents would have learned by the age of 11, and hardly anybody now will know it. That will cost lives.
    Originally posted by mardatha
    Tell me about it.

    Things I have seen IRL;

    1. University student trying to start a bonfire by holding a match against a tree trunk. Whilst sober.

    2. Grown man attempting to cultivate a derelict allotment on his knees using a small hand-fork. Older lady gardener gently suggested to him that he get a full-sized fork. So he did, but using it whilst still kneeling and by holding it by the top of the tines. Sober and not apparently suffering learning disability.

    3. People who think the only way you can cleanse youself is to have a shower - strip-washing over a bowl/ basin of water with soap and a cloth never having occured to them.

    4. Folks who cut a few slices off the breast of a roast chicken and sling the rest in the bin as inedible..........

    It's very hard to fix stupid. Mother Nature has a habit of weeding dippy people out in a crisis.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 11th Jul 17, 8:22 PM
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    Maybe survival of the fittest or those with enough sense to be cautious and inventive will kick in to play, we've collectively much knowledge between us and could probably fill all the gaps to give a relatively civilised future if we all found each other and contributed to a newly formed society. All we can do in reality is share the knowledge we DO have with anyone who is asking for it and learn as much from others with skills different to our own as we can if we find ourselves up to our ears in that future.

    What really scares me is the total disconnect modern man has with our food not just the cooking/growing/preserving but the fact that most children don't know potatoes don't grow on trees or that beef comes from cows. It's disastrous and is a very modern development but how on earth is mankind expected to survive if that level of knowledge is all they have?
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 11th Jul 17, 8:30 PM
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    Some will probably go feral and attempt to rob those who have anything of value.

    Others will go foraging for crisps and donuts in the hedgerows and be orfully surprised to find loads of unidentifiable green things instead.

    I shall be OK for saladings, since I know my wild plants, which includes knowing what the heck to leave well alone.

    Have been eating a lot of 'fat hen' lately. Very nutritious and sows itself all over my allotment. Beats the heck out of rubbish like iceberg lettuce.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 11th Jul 17, 8:39 PM
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    What would be considered of value in that situation though? materia wouldn't be worth a whisper and if they didn't know what the equipment you have is for they wouldn't consider it worth taking. Would they value books I wonder, seeds, a flint and steel, a good piece of string, a snare, even the humble pack of sewing needles and safety pins.....they're welcome to all the jewellery, clothing, make up, money, electronic gadgets etc. in existence for all the good it would do them but I think if it has no 'modern' value they'd just ignore it and take the worthless things.
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • maryb
    • By maryb 11th Jul 17, 10:16 PM
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    Not sure my knees are up to coping with a knees up. But I will cheer you all on from the sidelines
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 12th Jul 17, 9:15 AM
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    Not sure my knees are up to coping with a knees up. But I will cheer you all on from the sidelines
    Originally posted by maryb
    Mmm, that sounds a better idea for me too
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 12th Jul 17, 5:20 PM
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    I think too MrsL, that attitude is the one main help we preppers have. The ability to think otuside the box, to envisage life without the daily shower/organic food delivery/hair straighteners/false nails
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 12th Jul 17, 6:31 PM
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    I must admit to not letting anyone in real life actually know I'm a prepper, I knew one lady in the village who was like minded and raised the subject with me he bus one day but they have moved now, a couple of years ago and I thought the sensible thing was to keep it to myself for the future. Everyone knows we grow things, everyone knows we have the wood stove and will take any wood of any kind and I try to cultivate goodwill by sharing our surpluses of fruit and veg with those who take them willingly, we also don't mind people knowing we make the cider, in fact most of our apples come from windfall donations and we share out some of the cider to folks who contribute BUT I've never let anyone see the equipment or the survival tins and bug out bags, never will either so in an emergency we might get people coming to check out if we have stored veg but nothing else. I keep escape plans close to my chest and escape routes I'd use because very selfishly I'd like there to be the best chance for us to get clear unhindered if anything kicks off locally! Here is the only place I feel 'appropriate' to share thoughts, ideas and information, I remember the mockumentary where the guy who shouted he was a prepper was totally turned over by all the people who weren't but knew he had stuff'!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • fuddle
    • By fuddle 12th Jul 17, 8:42 PM
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    Today I overheard a couple of ladies complain that the new supermarket in town was rubbish because, although there was enough stock for their needs, the shelves were not stocked full so therefore scruffy and not a good enough shopping experience for them. Each to their own and they have every right to express their views but I did think immediately that I think 'first world problems' are really quite ugly.

    I am coming up against some quite traditional views at the moment as I move closer to getting an allotment. One retired gent repeatedly asks me "What do you want an allotment for? You're too busy being a housewife. You won't have time. They're for retired men with nothing better to do with their time." I have tried the "Because I want to feel useful" or "I'd like to just potter" but really I want to say "So I can feed my family if all I had to my name was time, skill and seeds" but I don't feel I can because of the ridicule I got for installing a multifuel stove when I can flick a switch or using half my small yard for a wood and coal store when it's taken up the sun part that flowers will grow in.

    So many people don't understand my ethos of trying to just look after myself and my family and that I've lost a lot in the past and realised very quickly that the only safety net I have are my wits, my determination, my skill and my mental (and now physical!) health, and that's ok, but why do we ridicule something we don't understand?

    I suppose I've just done it with the ladies who didn't like a shopping experience. Their 'problems' aren't what I would consider a problem. Their importance isn't what I would consider important. I don't understand and it's so alien to me I don't want to understand. I felt like scoffing 'call that a problem!' I'll be honest and I guess that's what happens to us. I think to have our kind of ethos, without wanting to judge everyone, we may have experienced a negative time in our lives so connect emotionally. I think that's the difference between being able to brush stuff off and taking offence.

    I just hope that we continue to be in the minority. Long may we continue to be misunderstood... it'll be easier for everyone!
    Last edited by fuddle; 12-07-2017 at 8:56 PM.
    Good enough, is good enough.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 12th Jul 17, 10:27 PM
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    Their opinions and attitudes don't matter FUDS, have no meaning or relevance in your life and no influence over what you think, feel, hold dear or value or indeed over who you are and what your ideals are. I find much the same attitudes down here even in the village but I've been doing my own thing in life regardless of anyone else so long they've gotten used to me. I don't mind being the village eccentric, the odd one because of how we choose to live our lives, they don't understand but are prepared to look on us with benign tolerance and mild affection because we've earned our place here and are useful when people need help. Be true unto thine own self little one, stay on the course that you choose for the reasons you choose it and ignore those subtle and not so subtle influences and voices from outside that dissent, they have no power over you. Live well, live happily best of all live the way you want to!!!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 12th Jul 17, 10:38 PM
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    We are not here to please other people. We are here to look after our families and ourselves. End of
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