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    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 8th Jul 17, 7:16 PM
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    ivyleaf
    Just going with the theme of 'icky' for the moment, this morning I reached for the tube of Gengigel to rub on a sore gum but the stuff inside was a different colour. Eek! I had opened the tube (same size) of rodent attractant which you use to bait traps
    Originally posted by pineapple
    Thank goodness you didn't just assume they'd reformulated it!

    Talking of tubes of gel, pollyanna I bought a tube of doublebase gel this morning and will try it out overnight. It does seem to have been my Garnier night cream that set off the problem - I had stopped using it and then tried it again to see what would happen. Shame, as it seemed to work well in other respects.

    maryb have a lovely break, though I expect you've already left.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Jul 17, 8:46 AM
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    Morning all.

    pineapple, I have never in my entire life heard/ read of cats spreading disease to livestock. I know cat faeces can be infected with a parasite called toxoplasmosis, which can infect many mammals inc humans, but which is only able to reproduce in cats. Figures of 23% infection with toxoplasmosis are quoted for the USA, up to 95% of the population in some parts of the world.

    But spreading disease to livestock? Crazy, farmers have always had cats around the place to keep the vermin down. Traditionally, they might get a saucer of milk or two from the dairy, but they were expected to feed themselves off the vermin and live in the outbuildings, they certainly weren't pets.

    One of the best disincentives to vermin is to keep a close supervision of one's stores, perhaps not to keep all of them in one place, and to move swiftly once a problem has been detected. I still grin at the memory from a couple of years ago when Dad and I were hunting a mousie at Nan's bungalow in the teeny outside shed which used to be the outside lavvy. It had been deplumbed decades ago and was used for storage.

    Being barely big enough to stand up in for one person, we were moving stuff out and mousie was scarpering from cover to cover. Eventually, Dad shut himself inside with a stick and a pledge that only one of them was coming out alive - Dad 1 vs Mouse 0.

    Never would have happened when Nan's cat was alive. The last incumbent of that role, Blackie, was a ferocious hunter even in his latter years. For a cat which can take down stoats, rats, pheasants, rabbits, partridge and squirrels, a mouse is no problem whatsoever.

    Oh, and within a week of his passing, the rats were moving into the back garden and being bold as brass. She had to get the pest controller in. Cats are the business when it comes to pest control.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Jazee
    • By Jazee 9th Jul 17, 9:25 AM
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    GreyQueen, thanks for pointing out that cats have a use other than just keeping old ladies company. I was having a rant at one yesterday as I yet again had to clear its muck off my garden, and at that point told it straight that it was good for nothing. Obviously I was wrong.
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Jul 17, 9:35 AM
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    Yeah, the poop in the garden is a nuisance but there is a cure; get your own cat and others won't dare do their business in its territory.

    I'm always happy to see cats patrolling the lotties which are just over the road from a housing estate. I've been stood talking to a fellow gardener and a cat has been almost at our feet, looking alert. Then one-two-three pounces in different directions as it tracks through cover and up it comes with a rat in its jaws. A rat that we had no idea was lurking less than 6 ft from our feet, btw.

    I used to see a mahoosive ginger tom on the estate near a pal's flat. I'm talking a real big bruiser, bull-necked and it'd walk down the pavement swinging its head from left to right looking at everything, inc humans, as if to say you wanna have a go if you think you're hard enough!?

    Middle of one winter's evening, pal heard a helluva kerfuffle outside her window and looked out at a spinning ball of squalling ginger fur. In seconds, it resolved itself into the ginger tom and a fox. The fox was losing the fight and broke and ran into the woods with the tom in hot pursuit.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Jazee
    • By Jazee 9th Jul 17, 9:42 AM
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    Haha, that made me laugh. No chance of getting a cat here - the dogs won't like it and I'm allergic. I have to take anti-histamines to visit my son and MIL.
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 9th Jul 17, 10:25 AM
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    GreyQueen, thanks for pointing out that cats have a use other than just keeping old ladies company. I was having a rant at one yesterday as I yet again had to clear its muck off my garden, and at that point told it straight that it was good for nothing. Obviously I was wrong.
    Originally posted by Jazee
    I had that from a neighbouring cat here a few times. I knew exactly who the culprit was and used to chase it out of my garden. Thankfully the cat doesnt seem to be around any longer for whatever reason.

    It would leave "offerings" very visibly there right on top of my soil. I'm not that au fait with how a cats mind works - but read recently that cats bury their poo if they only intended to poo and the fact it was in your garden was incidental. On the other hand - if they leave the poo there exposed then it means they are deliberately "marking" the ground as being "their territory". The article said that it's basically the more "confident" cats that will do that. Well - that fitted with the way this particular cat would look at me with an expression on its face of "Who does she think she is to try and shoo me out of her garden? - I've decided it's mine" and I'd catch it in my garden again the very next day.
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    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 9th Jul 17, 11:28 AM
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    pineapple
    Morning all.

    pineapple, I have never in my entire life heard/ read of cats spreading disease to livestock. I know cat faeces can be infected with a parasite called toxoplasmosis, which can infect many mammals inc humans, but which is only able to reproduce in cats.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    Well I found this
    http://www.moredun.org.uk/research/practical-animal-health-information/disease-summaries/toxoplasmosis-sheep

    And this
    http://www.fawl.co.uk/index.php/farm-animal-health/107-general/16-dog-and-cat-management-and-its-importance-in-livestock-production

    Maybe he had a bad experience once and is taking it to extremes. Personally I think the risk from vermin not being controlled is greater than the risk from a cat.
    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 9th Jul 17, 11:41 AM
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    pineapple
    I had that from a neighbouring cat here a few times. I knew exactly who the culprit was and used to chase it out of my garden. Thankfully the cat doesnt seem to be around any longer for whatever reason.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    I was constantly waging war on cats where I used to live. Personally I would like to see something like the Australian Cat act in the UK. The problem is not cats per se but the proliferation in many areas. I used to live in a little hamlet of just 20 households - but there were around 16 cats thanks mainly to one neighbour who had 7 and another who had 5. Next door kept trying to plant nasturtium seeds in an old sink planter and they would climb up to do their business scratting it all up in the process. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it but I once caught a cat taking a dump in my window box!
    Even worse, the local wildlife was decimated - not just vermin unfortunately but birds - ducklings even. Sorry rant over.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Jul 17, 12:30 PM
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    Very interesting, thanks for those linkies, Pineapple.

    My parents run two cats. They're lazy beggars and lie around in the back garden and the birds alight within 2-3 feet of them and both cats ignore them. They're older animals (approx 13) but have had the same laidback attitude for many years.

    Wild Thing, the fluffy one, did score a bird last week when it flew into one of the upstairs windows and dropped, either dead or stunned, onto the patio right in front of her. I guess no predator can resist food falling like manna from heaven.

    Both cats resisted the helpless almost-fledged bird which was grounded and being tended by its parent, as seen by me when I was over there last Sunday. It died, apparently of natural causes, overnight, and remained uneaten until Dad planted it.

    I'm surprised about cats and ducklings, although swans are well-known for killing them. Ducks and swans do not play nicely together and the human habit of feeding wildfowl on rivers/ lakes etc causes them to co-exist where the ducks would naturally give way to the swans. Who retailate by drowning ducklings, something to perhaps consider when taking stale bread down to the river.

    As a cyclist and a pedestrian, I see a lot of dead birds in the road and on the verge, struck by cars as they pass, not to mention the roadkill of mammals and even reptiles like snakes and also amphibians. And what you can see is likely to be a fraction of the true slaughter as some of the dead will have flown or run, critically injured, away from the road.

    Not to mention the toll magpies take on songbird eggs and nestlings.

    Perhaps something to consider when blaming the felines for all depredations?
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Shropshirelass
    • By Shropshirelass 9th Jul 17, 12:53 PM
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    There is an article on prepping that may be of interest, in yesterday's Daily Telegraph magazine supplement. (Must say I was surprised to find anything worth reading there.) Anyway, a mixed bag, writer starts with facetious comments, but ends seemingly with the opinion that if rich, successful and intelligent people throughout the world are making plans for when SHTF, there must be something in it.
    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 9th Jul 17, 1:43 PM
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    pineapple
    GQ - the neighbour with the 5 cats was never quite sure what she would find when she got home. She once found a dead weasel underneath the sofa that had been brought in through the cat flap. Ducklings too. She managed to rescue one and put it in the bath before taking it back down to the river
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Jul 17, 1:48 PM
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    Blimey!

    You sure these were ordinary moggies and not some kind of wild cat?!

    One of my pals in the Highlands has a demonic-looking black cat which may well be one of those Scottish wildcat/ dom cat hybrids. It's got its file at the vets flagged as Dangerous. I've seen pix and it's a bigger beggar and has got those triangular yellow eyes like they draw on demons in manga cartoons - truly scary.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 17, 2:13 PM
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    She had to get the pest controller in.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    Or she could've got an air rifle.

    Cats are the business when it comes to pest control.
    I concur.

    Buggalugs is an excellent mouser.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 9th Jul 17, 2:17 PM
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    No chance of getting a cat here - the dogs won't like it
    Originally posted by Jazee
    I'm in the reverse situation.

    Buggalugs won't tolerate any other animals, be they dogs, cats or whatever.

    She's had a set-to, with pretty much every other animal in the street.
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 09-07-2017 at 11:16 PM.
    My job is Top Secret. Even I don't know what I'm doing.

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    • lucielle
    • By lucielle 9th Jul 17, 3:23 PM
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    Hi De-lurking, farmers don't like cats because they can pee on the straw and hay which does pass toxoplasmosis onto animals (mainly sheep) and cause them to abort.


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    • blindman
    • By blindman 9th Jul 17, 3:33 PM
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    There is an article on prepping that may be of interest, in yesterday's Daily Telegraph magazine supplement. (Must say I was surprised to find anything worth reading there.) Anyway, a mixed bag, writer starts with facetious comments, but ends seemingly with the opinion that if rich, successful and intelligent people throughout the world are making plans for when SHTF, there must be something in it.
    Originally posted by Shropshirelass
    So you

    1. Still read a Newspaper and believe what's written?
    2. Rich people have so much money they have to be told how to spend it.
    3. By others (scumbags\entrepeneurs\lowlife)


    Let me guess.

    You wake, take a morning walk to the "newsagent"
    Come home
    Read paper with cup of tea.
    Come on here with SHTF -in your case the "newsagent is shut?" scenarios.



    LOL
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 9th Jul 17, 4:19 PM
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    Whatever anyone anywhere in the world is doing or not doing in preparedness for events that may or may not happen at least we here on the thread are taking some action, taking some interest in the future and making contingency plans for things to go wrong that will effect us and not just sitting at home thinking someone else will sort it all out and make it better without us having to lift a finger. Those who put the future in the hands of others and those who fling derision at us because we do think ahead may or may not be in the right of it, I think I'd rather take charge of my own future as much as I can and feel just a little in charge of what happens to us because I'm absolutely certain that when the chips really are down it WILL be every man for himself and damn the rest of you!!!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • Shropshirelass
    • By Shropshirelass 9th Jul 17, 4:20 PM
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    blindman
    Every one of your assumptions is incorrect.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 9th Jul 17, 4:28 PM
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    No information or opinion is degraded by the context in which it appears, even the Torygraph has some interesting stuff. I forage there online among many other places, electronic and terrestrial, conventional left-wing, conventional right-wing and bat-s**t crazy alt media. Hell, I even read the FT from time to time............

    Scoffers can scoff to their hearts' content but bad things happen to the un-prepared which the preptastic will just be shrugging off nonchalantly as they reach for their stores.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • blindman
    • By blindman 9th Jul 17, 4:38 PM
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    Some new cars these days come with a silly little undersize spare tyre which can only be used temporarily and with speed restrictions. So you have to have it changed twice. Totally pointless.
    Originally posted by pineapple
    the whole of Bromley is without water because of a burst water main. All the borough schools have been sent home.

    I have several large water storage canisters but I can't remember when I last changed the water ooops! Lesson in need for organisation. At least we can use it for washing if not drinking.

    Thames Water is going to give an update at 4.30. Doesn't look like we'll get the water back on anytime soon
    Originally posted by maryb
    No information or opinion is degraded by the context in which it appears, even the Torygraph has some interesting stuff. I forage there online among many other places, electronic and terrestrial, conventional left-wing, conventional right-wing and bat-s**t crazy alt media. Hell, I even read the FT from time to time............

    Scoffers can scoff to their hearts' content but bad things happen to the un-prepared which the preptastic will just be shrugging off nonchalantly as they reach for their stores.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    s
    Which they will find is

    1 Rank as they have not tested it.
    2 Never thought t hat ITSHTF there will be no one to change a tyre


    Laughable
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