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    • VJsmum
    • By VJsmum 15th Mar 17, 9:16 AM
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    VJsmum
    As a (former, but you have inspired me to go again) blood donor, I have no problem with the NHS selling surplus blood, which is life limited in any case - isn't it?

    As for storing it to return to you -as said, i think its life limited and I have donated 50+ times (definitely more than an armful) and to date received none (touch wood etc)
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 15th Mar 17, 9:17 AM
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    I recently went into hospital for a minor op and my mother asked my (god knows why... this is my 7th or 8th time so she must know the drill by now) whether I had to give blood in advance. Apparently that's what they did in the old days - took your blood in case you needed it back. . I guess if you didn't need it, it then went into the general blood bank.
    Originally posted by greenbee

    as per bolded.....
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    • greenbee
    • By greenbee 15th Mar 17, 9:33 AM
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    as per bolded.....
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    Yes, but that was in the days when every hospital had blood processing facilities. They don't anymore. And testing and processing is much more sophisticated now.

    Despite your constant comments that medical hasn't caught up with where you (with no medical training or scientific education and experience as far as I can tell from your posts) assume it should be, there have been HUGE advances made, mostly for the better. And the changes to our blood service have been made for the benefits of patient safety and the health of the nation as a whole.

    I wouldn't want my blood back in the event of a problem - currently it's not something that would be advisable. Doing all the necessary checks two days before an operation would be difficult to achieve and expensive. Better to pay £123 for VJsMum's nice clean processed blood/blood products that they know is safe...
    Last edited by greenbee; 15-03-2017 at 9:35 AM.
    • greenbee
    • By greenbee 15th Mar 17, 9:37 AM
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    greenbee
    As a (former, but you have inspired me to go again) blood donor, I have no problem with the NHS selling surplus blood, which is life limited in any case - isn't it?

    As for storing it to return to you -as said, i think its life limited and I have donated 50+ times (definitely more than an armful) and to date received none (touch wood etc)
    Originally posted by VJsmum
    So pleased to hear you are going back to donating - hopefully you will inspire others as well.

    I haven't donated for 6 years now but am hoping that I'll get permission soon if my next lot of blood tests are OK.
    • maryb
    • By maryb 15th Mar 17, 10:16 AM
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    DD2 has also registered as a potential bone marrow donor (as well as carrying an organ donation card)
    It doesn't matter if you are a glass half full or half empty sort of person. Keep it topped up! Cheers!
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 15th Mar 17, 10:59 AM
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    i'm A Rh Pos and used to donate, but was told I had to stop when i got M.E. as they don't know if it can be transmitted via blood (so much for the "It's all in the mind" school of thought).

    OH is A Neg and I've just asked him if he'd been told it was very rare. He says he has been told it's "not very common" which I suppose amounts to the same thing
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 15th Mar 17, 12:48 PM
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    I thought they were on the verge of being able to make artificial blood substitute now too?
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    They've had a plasma substitute for many decades.

    It's coconut water.
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 15th Mar 17, 3:42 PM
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    I'd donate blood if I could but they don't want mine. I have ME as well as being on constant medication for an unrelated condition, and there is the small matter of what the Tropical Medicine place once described as a 'mystery virus' in my blood.

    At the point where I was undergoing a lot of investigations 20 years ago, the hospital I was under had to send samples to them to test for Lyme Disease. They got a maybe and re-tested and got a negative and it's come up a mystery virus. They didn't seem very bothered about it so I didn't sweat the small stuff. You probably wouldn't want my carefully nurtured gore.

    *******************

    Guys, here's an example of the wisdom of prepping. Came home in the past half hour and changed and wanted to have a quick cuppa before heading out to the allotment.

    The water coming out of my kitchen cold tap is greyish black! Have spoken to the local water company and at least one other person nearby has reported the same. Am awaiting a call-back from their scientists and they might be coming to collect some of it for testing.

    Sooo, atm, I don't know if I can use the water. Damn good job I have bottled water or I wouldn't have got my tea. Just annoyed with myself with not re-filling one of my 25 litre carriers when I emptied it a couple of days ago, was going to do it last night but didn't get to it - have plenty of other water stored.

    All was fine when I left for work this morning, now I may or may not have potable water - see how quickly things can change?
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 15th Mar 17, 6:36 PM
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    Thanks to SuperGran popping over, I now know the likely cause of the black water supply - water company turned up unannounced today and changed every water meter whilst I was at work.

    Without so much as a note ahead of time or a flyer through the door to say they'd done it and if the water came through discoloured, just run it for a few mins until it came clear.

    What a flipping waste of time! And on the best day of the year when I was in such a happy mood and about to head out to the lottie to squeeze an hour of joyful gardening in at the end of a day stuck indoors. GRRR!

    and breathe. Am now going to await their response to my formal complaint. Beggars.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Cappella
    • By Cappella 15th Mar 17, 7:13 PM
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    Goodness Greyqueen that's more than annoying. Glad the issue has been resolved, but gladder still that you were well prepared when you first discovered the problem.
    I think for me that that's really what prepping is all about, trying to pre-empt domestic and practical family issues before they occur.
    Off now to check my water bottles are all full
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 15th Mar 17, 8:26 PM
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    water company turned up unannounced today and changed every water meter whilst I was at work.
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    That's was a bit risky.

    What if you'd had your boiler, or washing machine, on?
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 16th Mar 17, 7:09 AM
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    GreyQueen
    That's was a bit risky.

    What if you'd had your boiler, or washing machine, on?
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    Who knows about the washers. My block has a communal boiler house, we don't have individual boilers.

    SuperGran said they caused several minor leaks from individual flats when doing this (our meters are in unlocked external cupboards by our doors). Not mine, or it'd had time to dry up before I came home, or I would have been looking inside the cupboard. I mean, who comes home and says to themselves; I'll just check in my meter cupboard to see if the meter I had at 08.30 am is the same one here at 15.15?

    The sheer high-handedness of it is disgusting. Most of the block is on water meters, as we're one-bed flats and save shedloads by not being on rateable value via the rent, but there are some people who don't have them and SG thought that they'd been compulsarily switched to meters yesterday ( I don't know if that's true or not).

    I'm ticked because I get billed in July and January, and the Jan bill was an estimate. I had this out with them last night on the phone, among many others aspects of my complaint, and they assured me that they record the reading of the meter they took out - the new one is set at 0.

    I pointed out that I would have wanted to record the meter reading, had I known that it was about to be taken, otherwise how can I be sure that it was saying what they say it was saying?

    They're supposed to be coming back to me today or tomorrow, which will probably be at a time when I'm incommunicado because I'm at my workplace.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 16th Mar 17, 8:03 AM
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    Maybe take a reading weekly from now on GQ just in case they try that one again. Sods. I don't know why English people pay for water and prescriptions and nobody else does. You should have stopped that from day one!! Only way to stop a govt doing anything is create hell. How can ordinary people afford gas/elect and water bills - with no pay rises for years and benefits frozen.
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 16th Mar 17, 8:10 AM
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    GreyQueen
    Maybe take a reading weekly from now on GQ just in case they try that one again. Sods. I don't know why English people pay for water and prescriptions and nobody else does. You should have stopped that from day one!! Only way to stop a govt doing anything is create hell. How can ordinary people afford gas/elect and water bills - with no pay rises for years and benefits frozen.
    Originally posted by mardatha
    Already decided to do that, hun. Many people are exempt from paying for prescriptions due to pensioner-dom, low income benefits, tax credits or are like me and have medical exemption certificates for life-saving drugs.

    For other people it's very hard. I was once caught on contribution based JSA as opposed to income based JSA (the same to the penny). The former got me free prescriptions, dental, eye test etc, and the latter didn't yet I had not one penny more income to pay for them. Ridiculous.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 16th Mar 17, 8:19 AM
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    The water I don't mind paying for quite so much, we opted years ago to have a water meter fitted and it has actually saved us as a 2 person household quite a lot of money. We've just opted (about 3 months ago) to have a smart meter with a monitor to be ahead of the rush before they make it compulsory and I can see by looking to the right exactly how much gas and electricity we've used to this second and the comparison between that and what we've used in the past which is also saving us money. Prescriptions? I'd rather pay(if we were still young enough to have to) a prescription charge and keep the drugs supplied by the NHS than have to pay for them privately which I'm fairly sure would in most cases cost much more.

    It's all about choices and being sensible to make your income go as far as you can make it, some of those choices are by necessity harsh ones and life is and has been changing with standards of living dropping. It's still doable for most people although some families are really struggling to keep body and soul together and keeping their roof overhead and keeping themselves fed is a struggle.
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

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    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 16th Mar 17, 8:27 AM
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    I've spoken to a lot of people on FB who have to do without prescriptions because their kids need things. Third world country!
    God - somebody give me a barricade and a placard lol
    • thriftwizard
    • By thriftwizard 16th Mar 17, 8:48 AM
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    The trouble is, MrsLW, that more and more people are falling into that bracket, almost imperceptibly. And because of our collective need to keep up with the Joneses & not lose "face" they'll do anything rather than let anyone see that. I see little signs all around me, of people trying like mad to keep the aspidistras flying; people who had good jobs & steady incomes, who have just reached retirement age or had to leave a couple of years early thanks to redundancy or poor health, who may well still be supporting adult children (as we are) and are literally hiding behind trees rather than be spotted in the jumble sale queue or pouncing on the YS "bargains" at 5pm. They have no idea how to cope, and no idea that it isn't somehow their own fault. Those of us who've always had to watch the pennies have a huge advantage over them, in a sense. But until they can admit what's happening to them, their kids (who are laden with student debts as big as our mortgage ever was and totally unable to afford even to rent around here) and more and more people like them, they'll actively collude in the PTB's plans to make us pay through the nose for absolutely everything, probably even including the air that we breathe.

    I have friends who are on benefits through no fault of their own; one has severe & intractable mental health problems and another only has the use of one arm (and no legs) due to undetected spinal damage. Both have had their much-needed & not exactly munificent benefits slashed, and have to attend "prepare for work" interviews in the near future. If they don't attend the interviews they'll be sanctioned, but if they do - well, they're obviously capable of getting to work!

    That lot up there won't be happy until they've drained every last penny out of all of us, IMHO. Keeping our heads down & getting by as best we can is one way of coping, but sooner or later we or our descendants will have to stand up to them.
    Last edited by thriftwizard; 16-03-2017 at 2:43 PM.
    Angie

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    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 16th Mar 17, 9:07 AM
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    I know what you say is the stark truth THRIFTY and I know in my heart that it's only the top of that steep downward slope for an awful lot of people who deserve much, much better in all stages of their lives. My parents were poorer than the church mice, I grew up with nothing, never had new clothes until I passed the 11 plus and needed school uniform and they could afford 1 set which had (and did) to serve me through even the 6th form, no matter how shabby. There was a time in my teens when I had to stay in at weekends because that was the only clothing I had other than a couple of nighties I'd made from a worn out bedsheet and I had to wait for the uniform to dry before I could go outside! I know poverty from the inside out and being hungry so that my little brother and I had to collect lemonade bottles from waste bins to take them back for the 3d deposit to buy the batter bits from the fish and chip shop to eat that day. I know cold because there was nothing to burn on the one fire we had and the biggest treat we got was tomato ketchup on bread and that was on GOOD days.

    I think it sad that so many folks are struggling, I think the real need is to re educate people way before they get to the state of not being able to manage in ways 'to' manage, how can someone who has no knowledge of cooking make sensible and nourishing choices if they don't know how to cook? The energy suppliers need severely curbing and there is no way they should EVER be able to cut people off if they aren't able to keep a home warm and have hot water, that should be a government priority! Food manufacturers and the media are partly responsible for all the hype on 'the latest ' faddy ingredients and the sheer stupidity of all current cookery programmes. Way back when there were no 'basics', taste the difference, truly splendid etc. ranges there was just food. We need to get back to that and then teach children now at school how to run a home, the economics of sensible choice and how to budget. We also need to make it not a social pariah situation to shop at boot fairs, in charity shops and at yard sales and jumble sales. I LOVE a good rummage and the queue for out jumble sales provided by the Sea Scouts 6 times a year goes round the sides and back of the village hall. The sad reality is that this IS 2017 and people need to take on board that these may actually be seen as 'the good old days' in the future if things slide downwards in the way I feel they will!
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 16th Mar 17, 9:26 AM
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    The only thing that can stop things sliding downhill is people power... the problem is that they won't move themselves until they are truly desperate. Then TPTB throw them a dog biscuit and they take it gratefully and go home, leaving all the other injustices still in place. I'm thinking its quite a good time to be old, as I really don't like what's coming.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 16th Mar 17, 9:56 AM
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    I think it is a very good time to start a reintroduction to the real world for all the population who are not yet old! It's our responsibility to get the information out 'there' before we die and hopefully make the lives of everyone who follows on behind us at least less intolerable than they are today and hopefully a darned site better in the long run. I know that's behind the ethos of all of these Old Style Threads but perhaps it's the time to shout OS from the rooftops instead of keeping it to ourselves???
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

    No amount of regretting can change the past, and no amount of worrying can change the future!
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