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    • OOOO
    • By OOOO 27th Jun 16, 9:27 PM
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    Playstation 4 Virtual Reality
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    • 27th Jun 16, 9:27 PM
    Playstation 4 Virtual Reality 27th Jun 16 at 9:27 PM
    Playstation 4 Virtual Reality - What is the true cost?

    Hi, i am considering the playstation 4 virtual reality headset that is being released shortly.
    But i am getting confused about the setup cost. Have been reading that in addition to the headset you will also need to separately purchase the playstation camera, playstation move controllers and a pair of headphones (if you dont like the earpieces). If thats all true then looks very expensive
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 4th Oct 16, 1:07 AM
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    It wasn't just 3D TVs that spent time costing more. The 3D bluray players Also did cost more. The 3D bluray movies still cost a few quid more than a standard bluray which itself is a few quid more than a DVD. The only 3D channel to have existed was a subscription channel. I agree 3D wasn't as pricey as vr.
    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 4th Oct 16, 1:40 AM
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    The PS3 (one of the most common blu-ray players) supported 3D blu-rays and the 3D blu-rays were only a few pounds more - the point was it wasn't cost that killed 3D, it's the fact it wasn't very good. VR on the other hand is much more expensive but it's already doing reasonably well despite the very high cost of entry because it has very obvious benefits that are worth paying for.

    John
    • fleshandbone
    • By fleshandbone 4th Oct 16, 3:02 PM
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    I have 2 very important words to say about VR "Motion Sickness"
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    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 4th Oct 16, 4:13 PM
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    The PS3 (one of the most common blu-ray players) supported 3D blu-rays and the 3D blu-rays were only a few pounds more - the point was it wasn't cost that killed 3D, it's the fact it wasn't very good. VR on the other hand is much more expensive but it's already doing reasonably well despite the very high cost of entry because it has very obvious benefits that are worth paying for.

    John
    Originally posted by Johnmcl7
    we still enjoy 3d blurays. you can still find some 3d movies on skys on demand service also. for anyone interested, go to the sky cinema section then collections and you will see 3d there. we watched the walk on this in 3d and it is awesome. i wish they wouldnt look at 3d as a premium service and just include it as one of the many functions instead.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 4th Oct 16, 4:16 PM
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    I have 2 very important words to say about VR "Motion Sickness"
    Originally posted by fleshandbone
    imagine a sonic game in vr. personally though i would love to get vr but i wouldnt pay anymore than £100 for it. the biggest appeal to me is exploring virtual worlds rather than the actual gameplay.
    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 4th Oct 16, 6:52 PM
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    I have 2 very important words to say about VR "Motion Sickness"
    Originally posted by fleshandbone
    Motion Sickness is a problem for VR but it can be avoided, it's extremely important that VR is done properly hence the high cost of the Rift and the Vive - both have screens which refresh at a high rate and dedicated tracking systems to ensure all head movements are correctly tracked. One of the big causes of motion sickness in VR is lag in the physical movement of the headset and the update on the screens inside the headset.

    Controls are another problem, having a normal walking motion in VR tends to cause motion sickness as you have a walking sensation but you're physically standing still. Developers have been able to work around this by adapting the controls to avoid motion sickness, teleport motion has become quite popular in first person views.

    One of the advantages with PS VR is that all games released have to pass Sony's certification rules and it's a fairly safe bet that they won't allow any badly designed VR apps that cause motion sickness. That said I haven't had any issues with motion sickness on the PC nor has anyone I've have a go with it aside from Project Cars or watching bike footage. I tried one of the original VR systems in the 90's (the huge clunky ones) and I barely managed 30 seconds before I felt too ill and had to get the headset off.

    John
    • somethingcorporate
    • By somethingcorporate 16th Oct 16, 6:16 PM
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    Does anyone have the PS VR and can give an honest review?

    I am tempted to buy but the price is really high for not having tested it personally.
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    • Marvqn1
    • By Marvqn1 28th Oct 16, 3:53 PM
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    Does anyone have the PS VR and can give an honest review?

    I am tempted to buy but the price is really high for not having tested it personally.
    Originally posted by somethingcorporate
    I thought that PS VR requires a PS4 Pro, and that isn't released yet?
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 28th Oct 16, 5:35 PM
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    I thought that PS VR requires a PS4 Pro, and that isn't released yet?
    Originally posted by Marvqn1
    No, it will work with any PS4. Although performance is expected to be better with the PS4 pro.
    • cjdavies
    • By cjdavies 30th Oct 16, 8:03 AM
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    I bought the Kinect when it came out, regretted it. Not making the same mistake and going to wait a few months to see how it takes off, even then I would need a demo.

    I even know people who haven't upgraded to bluray and still watch dvds. If people are happy with what they have then in most cases they won't upgrade to something new if it costs more.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    I am one of them, still do DVDs, most are like £5 more and when buying a few it all adds up. I watched Blu-Ray once on my PS3 and for me it made no difference so I stick to DVDs.

    I wear glasses and watching 3D like I have done in the cinema is not comfortable.
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 30th Oct 16, 12:18 PM
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    I wear glasses and watching 3D like I have done in the cinema is not comfortable.
    Originally posted by cjdavies
    I'm the same, thought it was just me. 3D just hasn't interested me yet and I don't think it will.

    I don't have a TV that's worth watching blu rays on so will stick to DVD's for the time being.
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    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 30th Oct 16, 6:09 PM
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    I never found 3D comfortable but just didn't find it that much of an improvement either, I preferred watching films in 2D.

    VR on the other hand I found hugely impressive from the very first tech demo and it's something that's hard to describe, even quite basic games and experiences that look quite laughable but they still feel very immersive.

    I have been tempted to give PS VR a go as I love the Vive and don't get much use out of my PS4 otherwise but there's little benefit to rushing into it even though Rez Infinite looks superb. It's a good chunk of money and the selection of games is small plus the PS VR seems limited compared to the Vive.

    John
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 30th Oct 16, 6:21 PM
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    the selection of games is small plus the PS VR seems limited compared to the Vive.

    John
    Originally posted by Johnmcl7
    Did you know it isn't just about games and that you can watch movies and get the effect of watching a giant screen.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 30th Oct 16, 10:47 PM
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    Overall I like 3D. However I am disappointed that you I dont get things coming out of the screen like you used to with the red green glasses. I will be sad if they do away with 3D altogether.
    • Marvqn1
    • By Marvqn1 30th Oct 16, 11:48 PM
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    For people who haven't seen it, there is a good unboxing video by iJustine.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MFn5c_lyOc
    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 31st Oct 16, 12:41 AM
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    Did you know it isn't just about games and that you can watch movies and get the effect of watching a giant screen.
    Originally posted by donnajunkie
    VR is not good for watching movies unfortunately for a variety of reasons, although the headset resolution looks very high on paper because the screens are just in front of your eyes the screen looks very low resolution. That means you can see the gaps between the pixels and the 2D movie screen looks low resolution, most video sources are only 1080p or worse with a lower framerate which doesn't look great on the VR which really needs high resolution and framerate. Also the VR headset is not particularly comfortable to wear for long periods of time and for some times of film because the video fills your entire view, it can make you quite ill.

    I've also tried 360 video but it also suffers from inadequate resolution and framerate, even 4K 360 videos look low resolution in VR.

    3D rendered video has the advantage it can render at much higher framerates, much higher resolution and you can use supersampling to smooth out aliasing effects.

    John
    • mrsammyp
    • By mrsammyp 31st Oct 16, 9:46 PM
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    I had a go with the PS VR headset and drive club demo that was set up in Selfridges a couple of weeks ago; I can truly say it was an amazing experience!

    Definitely going on the list, might wait for a couple more games to come out first. I think the demo in the box comes with 10 trial games.
    • donnajunkie
    • By donnajunkie 31st Oct 16, 11:01 PM
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    I had a go with the PS VR headset and drive club demo that was set up in Selfridges a couple of weeks ago; I can truly say it was an amazing experience!

    Definitely going on the list, might wait for a couple more games to come out first. I think the demo in the box comes with 10 trial games.
    Originally posted by mrsammyp
    The annoying thing is it costs £350 and you still don't get everything you need in the box.
    • Electrum
    • By Electrum 3rd Nov 16, 11:50 AM
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    So what is the verdict?

    Is PS VR better for the money than the other more expensive set ups?
    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 3rd Nov 16, 3:14 PM
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    So what is the verdict?

    Is PS VR better for the money than the other more expensive set ups?
    Originally posted by Electrum
    From what I've read the PS VR headset is good and more comfortable to wear than the Vive (mixed opinions on that but I like that the PS display is sort of suspended rather than clamped to your face) but the controller tracking is poor. The asynchronous tracking system seems to work reasonably well allowing the game to render at lower framerates but keep tracking and refresh at a higher framerate which helps the underpowered hardware a bit although it still struggles.

    There is the question of how well the PS4 Pro handles VR as it has twice as much GPU power as the original PS4 which could substantially improve the VR performance but it's a fair chunk of money on top of the already hefty VR costs.

    In terms of which to go for I think a lot of it is going to depend on what you have already, if you have a PS4, no gaming PC and fancy VR then clearly PS VR is the better option - the cost of a Rift or Vive along with a capable gaming PC is just ridiculously expensive.

    In the summer I weighed up the different options, I had a gaming PC and a PS4 but at four years old the PC would need a new graphics card for the Rift or Vive. That sounds like a pricey upgrade but factoring the potential of wanting a Pro for better VR, the PC looks more favourable as the cost is similar but the PC is much more powerful.

    I went for a Vive with the GTX 1070, the Vive is the priciest VR headset (although Rift is a similar price for room scale) and it's by far the most hassle to set up due it needing special trackers fitted in the corners of the room. It also needs a reasonable amount of open space for its room scale to work so for many room scale won't be an option. Initially I wasn't fussed about roomscale and the Wii made me despise motion controls but given the choice again I wouldn't hesitate to go for the Vive as roomscale is easily where VR is at its best and I'm not sure I'd be so bothered about VR if it was limited to seated/standing VR.

    John
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