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    • kraken776
    • By kraken776 8th Jun 16, 7:18 PM
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    cyclists turned right when i overtook
    • #1
    • 8th Jun 16, 7:18 PM
    cyclists turned right when i overtook 8th Jun 16 at 7:18 PM
    I recently had an accident with a cyclist

    I attempted to overtake him and as I was doing so he turned right and collided with my left headlight. This was a very sudden movement, he literally turned sharply to the right just as I was alongside his rear.

    - This happened in a residential area in a 30 limit with a wide clear road.
    - I did not exceed the speed limit to overtake.
    - The road was clear for a very long distance in front and nothing was coming the other way.
    - I moved all the way over into the opposite lane for the overtake.
    - The cyclist did not signal.
    - The cyclist did not do anything else to hint that he was about to turn (did not look behind, did not look to the right or where he intended to turn to, did not start to move further to the right ect)
    - There was no junction or turning on the left (or anywhere else nearby for that matter).
    - There was no cycle lane on ether side of the road at or before the point of the accident but there is a cycle lane on the pavement on the other side of the road which starts about 40 meters from where i started my overtake. There is a fence on the pavement at the start of the cycle lane so it was not visible from my position.

    My insurance company tell me that his story is that he was turning right into the cycle lane and that I should have predicted that he would do this. I think this is absurd and unfair.
    However i am worried about it because i have heard stories or people being held responsible in this sort of situation if there is a junction on the right.

    Can anyone advise me if I am likely to be held at fault for this.

    Also,
    The cyclist had a helmet cam, This will not show anything that i did because he did not look back. Could it be used to prove what happened and can be be forced to submit the footage?
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    • RichardD1970
    • By RichardD1970 29th Sep 16, 4:50 PM
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    Don't tell the dragon that (Kraken is a Norwegian dragon) he thinks that people almost unanimously agree with him! But then, that's based on his failed sense of logic.
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Thought it was a sea monster??
    • treboeth
    • By treboeth 29th Sep 16, 5:33 PM
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    treboeth
    Thought it was a sea monster??
    Originally posted by RichardD1970
    It is

    A Norwegian Seamonster

    And you get the prize for the only sensible question on this thread

    Anyone know the origins of a Troll ?
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 29th Sep 16, 7:50 PM
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    Thank you Aylesbury for #539.


    My only excuse for my inadvertence might be that I was trying to be generous.


    But you are probably right!
    • BananaRepublic
    • By BananaRepublic 30th Sep 16, 1:32 PM
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    It may seam [sic] that way to you sew (see what I did there?), as one of that "handful of idiots", allow me to explain:

    Accidents on the road that genuinely can't be anticipated or avoided are incredibly rare. In fact, they're so rare that it's safe to say that if you're involved in an accident then you DID either miss or not take account of something that could have prevented it.
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Not so. Last weekend I drove to the New Forest. I turned onto the ornamental drive, and clearly there was a cycling event as there were hordes of push bikelists on the opposite side. I approached a narrow humpback bridge, with flimsy wooden fencing each side, crossed, and as I was crossing a cyclist rode onto the bridge, between me and the fencing. It was scary, due to the lack of space, and he should have given way. 100m later, I turned a bend, and saw a group of cyclists ahead. One pulled out into the middle of the road, heading directly for my car, and he was facing backwards talking to someone behind him. I was forced to do an emergency stop, and hoot loudly, to prevent a possible serious accident. There were lots of other 'oops' moments due to other cyclists riding without due care and attention.

    I have a dashcam, so these two incidents are recorded, and had there been an accident, I would have been cleared.

    I'm afraid I have sympathy for the OP assuming his account of the events is accurate.
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 30th Sep 16, 2:27 PM
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    But doesn't that tend to support Joe Horner's point?


    You avoided an accident several times by being observant and being aware of what the cyclists were doing and taking appropriate action? If you hadn't there may have been accident.


    Like the one in this thread...or maybe not...or maybe yes...
    • Richard53
    • By Richard53 1st Oct 16, 11:45 PM
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    It's a bit like the Monty Python sketch "Do you want a 10 minute argument, sir, or the full half hour?"
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    I've told you once ...
    If all misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be contented to take their own and depart. (Attrib. to Socrates)
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 2nd Oct 16, 12:01 AM
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    Joe Horner
    But doesn't that tend to support Joe Horner's point?


    You avoided an accident several times by being observant and being aware of what the cyclists were doing and taking appropriate action? If you hadn't there may have been accident.
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    Exactly that.

    The difference between near misses (as you had) and accidents is generally ONE of the road users concerned getting it right and anticipating / reacting to the mistakes / downright idiocy of the others well.

    In your case (BananaRepublic) you noticed that there was some sort of cycling event going on, rcognised tat as a possible hazard, and would have been more alert - and likely to avoid hitting one - than someone who didn't connect "lots of bikes" with "possible hazards".
    • kraken776
    • By kraken776 2nd Oct 16, 3:12 AM
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    Somewhere in the middle of the whole thread, the OP resorted to accusations that I'd reported his posts and had them deleted. When it was pointed out that the report does not say who reported a thread, and then subsequently, two other posters confirmed that they were responsible for the reporting, the OP went strangely quiet on the matter.
    Originally posted by Aylesbury Duck
    Yet again you are ignoring the questions that i have asked and instead attempting to "attack" me with something which is completely irrelevant.

    I have already called you out for this sort of behavior many times, any intelligent person would have learned his lesson long ago

    Furthermore you are misrepresenting a currently irrelevant incident which happened a long time ago. if you are going to do this you would be better off not saying anything at all. Doing this discredits you not me because it highlights the fact that you are notable to defend your comments with rational arguments. Your attempt to discredit me has failed and backfired.

    The fascinating and entertaining thing about this thread is not the subject matter itself - I think there's an almost unanimous view that the OP was at fault in the collision
    Originally posted by Aylesbury Duck
    Nope
    there is no " almost unanimous view that the OP was at fault "
    there are a wide variety of views
    the ones who think that i was at fault are a wafer thin but vocal minority who have been posting again and again and again in order to obtain the majority of posts and who have been challenged by others many times (and so far failed to successfully defend their views)

    - but the length the OP has gone to to defend his view of the collision, which is quite remarkable considering he now claims it didn't take place.
    Originally posted by Aylesbury Duck
    This adds absolutely nothing to your comment at all.

    Incidentally i noticed that after my last post you made many attacks against me
    not even bothering to wait until i replied before you made the next one

    why did you do this?

    surely even you are not stupid enough to think that making multiple meaningless comments somehow makes you right.
    • prowla
    • By prowla 2nd Oct 16, 7:37 AM
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    I've put on 3 stone from eating popcorn!
    • custardy
    • By custardy 2nd Oct 16, 7:43 AM
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    Could you imagine how long the thread would be if the cyclist was actually hit......
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 2nd Oct 16, 12:15 PM
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    Aylesbury Duck
    ...highlights the fact that you are notable to defend your comments with rational arguments.
    Originally posted by kraken776
    Why, thank you! I'm glad I'm notable for my rational arguments.

    What was the outcome from your insurers?
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 2nd Oct 16, 2:54 PM
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    You've been "called out" again despite your notable rational arguments!


    Perhaps The Kraken needs to check where the space key is...
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 2nd Oct 16, 3:16 PM
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    You've been "called out" again despite your notable rational arguments!
    Originally posted by Manxman in exile
    I feel so stupid....
    • Mercdriver
    • By Mercdriver 2nd Oct 16, 5:16 PM
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    Mercdriver
    Yet again you are ignoring the questions that i have asked and instead attempting to "attack" me with something which is completely irrelevant.

    I have already called you out for this sort of behavior many times, any intelligent person would have learned his lesson long ago

    Furthermore you are misrepresenting a currently irrelevant incident which happened a long time ago. if you are going to do this you would be better off not saying anything at all. Doing this discredits you not me because it highlights the fact that you are notable to defend your comments with rational arguments. Your attempt to discredit me has failed and backfired.


    Nope
    there is no " almost unanimous view that the OP was at fault "
    there are a wide variety of views
    the ones who think that i was at fault are a wafer thin but vocal minority who have been posting again and again and again in order to obtain the majority of posts and who have been challenged by others many times (and so far failed to successfully defend their views)



    This adds absolutely nothing to your comment at all.

    Incidentally i noticed that after my last post you made many attacks against me
    not even bothering to wait until i replied before you made the next one

    why did you do this?

    surely even you are not stupid enough to think that making multiple meaningless comments somehow makes you right.
    Originally posted by kraken776
    Come clean. Did the incident happen or not?
    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 3rd Oct 16, 3:36 PM
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    Come clean. Did the incident happen or not?
    Originally posted by Mercdriver
    Do any of us really care any more?
    • Penelopa.Pitstop
    • By Penelopa.Pitstop 4th Oct 16, 1:28 PM
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    Is there any conclusion? Did insurance claim something from someone or it's just 28 pages of discussion that leads nowhere?

    • Nobbie1967
    • By Nobbie1967 4th Oct 16, 2:58 PM
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    Nobbie1967
    I like to think of this thread as a piece of conceptual art that explores the boundary between reality and fantasy through the medium of motoring.

    It asks the big questions of whether if an accident happens but isn't witnessed by anyone except Kraken, does it make at at fault claim?

    What is Kraken776' Is it an enigma wrapped in a puzzle conveyed through the medium of argument?

    Without righteous anger, does Kraken776 exist at all?

    Have we all humiliated ourselves?
    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 4th Oct 16, 4:46 PM
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    Aylesbury Duck
    Thread summary:

    kraken776: I had an accident with a cyclist. Do you think I will be held at fault for this?
    Various: Yes
    kraken 776: You're an idiot. No I won't
    Various: I think you will and here's why.
    kraken 776: Absurd and irrelevant. Here are some new details.
    Various: I still think you'll be held at fault.
    kraken 776: You're irrational. Can I sue my insurer?
    Various: No.
    kraken 776: You're embarrassing yourself. Shall I intimidate the cyclist by threatening legal action?
    Various: No.
    kraken 776: I didn't have an accident after all.
    Various: You still drove dangerously.
    kraken 776: You're stupid. No I didn't.
    Various: Yes you did. Here's why.
    kraken776: You're an idiot. My driving was perfect.
    Various: Why are you here then?
    kraken776: You're an idiot.
    • Manxman in exile
    • By Manxman in exile 4th Oct 16, 6:32 PM
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    "...any intelligent person would have learned his lesson long ago."
    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 11th Oct 16, 10:07 AM
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    bod1467

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