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    • Pennylane
    • By Pennylane 7th Jun 16, 8:36 AM
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    WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions
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    • 7th Jun 16, 8:36 AM
    WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions 7th Jun 16 at 8:36 AM
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-waspi-campaigners-right-complain-we-should-all-glad-steve-bee

    A good article.
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    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 7th Jul 17, 1:08 PM
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    Agreed. WASPI are perpetuating their financial hardship by encouraging them to join a hopeless political campaign which seeks to benefit people much better off than them, instead of claiming the benefits that they are already entitled to.

    They are like the snake oil salespeople who tell the seriously ill to take homeopathic remedies and by doing so prevent them from seeking genuine medical help.
    Last edited by Malthusian; 07-07-2017 at 3:16 PM. Reason: typo
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 7th Jul 17, 2:03 PM
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    Agreed. WASPI are perpetuating their financial hardship by encouraging them to join a hopeless political campaign which seeks to benefit of people much better off than them, instead of claiming the benefits that they are already entitled to.

    They are like the snake oil salespeople who tell the seriously ill to take homeopathic remedies and by doing so prevent them from seeking genuine medical help. Posted by Malthusian
    Well put. The only pictures I've seen of the 'hard done by' WASPI campaigners were two women travelling by first class rail (and proudly swigging champagne!) on their way to protest outside Parliament, and a woman being interviewed for the BBC. At first glance , I thought that the interview was taking place in the lounge of a very plush hotel - but it turned out to be her own home.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 7th Jul 17, 4:22 PM
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    http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/family/2017/07/guest-comment-waspi-campaign-responds-to-pensions-minister-advice-to-take-up-apprenticeships?_ga=2.115777858.512431973.14984648 40-616401537.1498464840

    I notice there is no ability to comment.

    Our debate on Wednesday showed just how out of touch the Government really is with the electorate and its own party
    No, out of touch with a small minority of grasping 60 something women.

    We are not opposed to State Pension age equalisation. In fact, we are in favour of equal rights (and responsibilities) for men and women. We believe that men and women should retire at the same time. Neither are we calling for the State Pension age to revert to 60, and we are not asking for a reversal of any Pension Act.
    Luckily I did not have a mouth full of coffee when I read that bit.

    Please MSE. stop giving space to this bunch. It makes Martin look like someone who will jump on any bandwagon to get himself tabloid inches.
    Last edited by molerat; 07-07-2017 at 4:25 PM.
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    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 7th Jul 17, 5:49 PM
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    Yesterday, the 4th batch of women affected by the 2011 Pensions Act became eligible to receive their State Pension.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/310231/spa-timetable.pdf

    Equalisation of state pension ages at 65 for all intents and purposes will occur in November 2018.

    Even if the political will was there, it seems that the window for any resolution has already passed.
    I work for a financial services intermediary specialising in the at-retirement market. I am not a financial adviser, and any comments represent my opinion only and should not be construed as advice or a recommendation
    • OldBeanz
    • By OldBeanz 7th Jul 17, 7:59 PM
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    Yesterday, the 4th batch of women affected by the 2011 Pensions Act became eligible to receive their State Pension.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/310231/spa-timetable.pdf

    Equalisation of state pension ages at 65 for all intents and purposes will occur in November 2018.

    Even if the political will was there, it seems that the window for any resolution has already passed.
    Originally posted by bmm78
    But, but, but how can that be fair. Stop time, I say.
    • colsten
    • By colsten 7th Jul 17, 8:36 PM
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    That's how WASPI operate. They suppress comments, just in case the comments could be critical of WASPI. They have 'moderated' their Facebook site for several months now - not one single comment gets published without the express approval by WASPI. They must be terribly insecure if they have to resort to such drastic measures.

    Waiting with baited breath for an explanation from MSE why their younger members should somehow find extra money to pay all the 1950s women a pension/compensation (or whatever WASPI call it). Could it be that MSE doesn't understand how state pensions are funded?
    • colsten
    • By colsten 7th Jul 17, 8:42 PM
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    colsten

    Even if the political will was there, it seems that the window for any resolution has already passed.
    Originally posted by bmm78
    It would be criminal if in excess of 70bn would be paid exclusively to women born in the 1950s when there isn't enough money for the NHS, no money at all for Social Care, and no money to give our young people a free education.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 7th Jul 17, 9:08 PM
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    It would be criminal if in excess of 70bn would be paid exclusively to women born in the 1950s when there isn't enough money for the NHS, no money at all for Social Care, and no money to give our young people a free education.
    Originally posted by colsten
    That's the problem with the GRASPI's, it's all me,me me.
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    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 7th Jul 17, 9:24 PM
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    The problem is that we weren’t told about changes to our pension age and some of us had less than one year to prepare for a six-year change in the pension age. By contrast, men had six years to prepare for an increase of one year. This is not fair. Jane Cowley ( from colsten's link)
    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. What a load of cobblers.

    OK, I'll admit that the first announcement in the 1993 budget probably passed me by, but I know for a fact that it was the subject of much discussion by women at work, in the shops, at the hairdressers and in the pub etc by 1995, largely due to the many articles in the newspapers and women's magazines. How can I be sure that this was 1995? Because my late mum had a right chew over it (not for herself, as she was over 60) on behalf my sister and myself. Mum died in the summer of 1995 and she certainly knew all about the changes, despite not being able to leave the house for the last 4 months of her life.

    To anyone who still claims that they didn't know, I say that you did - but you just ignored it on the grounds that the changes were 'years off' and something that only applied to 'pensioners'.
    Last edited by Silvertabby; 07-07-2017 at 9:32 PM.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 7th Jul 17, 9:56 PM
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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again. What a load of cobblers.

    OK, I'll admit that the first announcement in the 1993 budget probably passed me by, but I know for a fact that it was the subject of much discussion by women at work, in the shops, at the hairdressers and in the pub etc by 1995, largely due to the many articles in the newspapers and women's magazines. How can I be sure that this was 1995? Because my late mum had a right chew over it (not for herself, as she was over 60) on behalf my sister and myself. Mum died in the summer of 1995 and she certainly knew all about the changes, despite not being able to leave the house for the last 4 months of her life.

    To anyone who still claims that they didn't know, I say that you did - but you just ignored it on the grounds that the changes were 'years off' and something that only applied to 'pensioners'.
    Originally posted by Silvertabby
    GRASPI's can bleat as much as they like, but NO Government is going to make any changes to the 1995 Act, as this is 'carved in stone' iIn the unlikely event the 2011 Act gets further amendments, I think we'd all welcome that.
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    • colsten
    • By colsten 7th Jul 17, 10:53 PM
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    In the unlikely event the 2011 Act gets further amendments, I think we'd all welcome that.
    Originally posted by Mortgagefreeman
    I admit, I would love to have my SP 18 months earlier than it's scheduled right now. Then I look at what it would cost to repeal the 2011 Act, and because it is way in excess of £30bn, I can't really seriously ask for it. If there were £30bn looking for a home, use them for something like getting rid of food banks
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    I notice there is no ability to comment.
    Originally posted by molerat
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    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 8th Jul 17, 4:08 AM
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    Does no-one else find it really worrying that we have elected several MPs gullible enough to fall for this. Or is it even more worryingly the case that they know the basis of the WASPI campaign is not true and still decide to back it? Or do they truly believe the lies they are telling.
    Last edited by badmemory; 08-07-2017 at 4:11 AM.
    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 8th Jul 17, 8:45 AM
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    Does no-one else find it really worrying that we have elected several MPs gullible enough to fall for this. Or is it even more worryingly the case that they know the basis of the WASPI campaign is not true and still decide to back it? Or do they truly believe the lies they are telling.
    Originally posted by badmemory
    Labour MPs mostly, speaks volumes.

    Magic money tree ....
    • bigadaj
    • By bigadaj 8th Jul 17, 10:19 AM
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    GRASPI's can bleat as much as they like, but NO Government is going to make any changes to the 1995 Act, as this is 'carved in stone' iIn the unlikely event the 2011 Act gets further amendments, I think we'd all welcome that.
    Originally posted by Mortgagefreeman
    A Corbyn government?

    Spending calculations undertaken by Jeremy and Diane, what could possibly go wrong?
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 8th Jul 17, 10:24 AM
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    A Corbyn government?

    Spending calculations undertaken by Jeremy and Diane, what could possibly go wrong?
    Originally posted by bigadaj
    Absolutely nothing could go wrong.

    In fact, with Diane Abbott in charge of Work & Pensions, giving WASPI women what they want would only cost a couple of thousand quid.
    • colsten
    • By colsten 8th Jul 17, 11:00 AM
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    Does no-one else find it really worrying that we have elected several MPs gullible enough to fall for this. Or is it even more worryingly the case that they know the basis of the WASPI campaign is not true and still decide to back it? Or do they truly believe the lies they are telling.
    Originally posted by badmemory
    It started with them signing those stupid WASPI pledges before the GE, in an effort to gain votes. Now all the MPs who signed the pledge are being hounded, and coerced into signing the even more stupid EDM.

    I totally agree, it is immensely worrying that we have MPs who are putting their names to this as none of them actually has even any proposal on how to deliver what WASPI want. Even if they had such a proposal, none of them is in any position to deliver it - not even under a potential future Labour government. It is quite telling that the Labour manifesto had only costed the Pension Credit proposal, not the tens of billions WASPI want.
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 8th Jul 17, 12:05 PM
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    “ In the unlikely event the 2011 Act gets further amendments, I think we'd all welcome that.
    Originally posted by Mortgagefreeman
    I admit, I would love to have my SP 18 months earlier than it's scheduled right now. Then I look at what it would cost to repeal the 2011 Act, and because it is way in excess of £30bn, I can't really seriously ask for it. If there were £30bn looking for a home, use them for something like getting rid of food banks Posted by colsten
    I agree with colsten. The 2011 changes put up my SPA from 65 to 66 - but there are many out there who need the money far more than I do.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 8th Jul 17, 12:20 PM
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    Or the MPs are quite clever. They know there is not even the slimmest chance of any changes happening but they have done their bit and put their names down to try and help those poor unfortunate women. Possible votes gained next time round.
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    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 8th Jul 17, 12:46 PM
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    Or the MPs are quite clever. They know there is not even the slimmest chance of any changes happening but they have done their bit and put their names down to try and help those poor unfortunate women. Possible votes gained next time round. Posted by molerat
    In hindsight, it's a good job Corbyn didn't include 'State pensions for all from age 60' as part of his manifesto - the graspi votes might just have been enough to tip him into (God help us!) No 10.

    Mind you, it would have been quite funny to watch Diane Abbot totting up the bills on her fingers, and explaining where all these extra thousands of £££s would come from!
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