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    • Pennylane
    • By Pennylane 7th Jun 16, 8:36 AM
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    WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions
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    • 7th Jun 16, 8:36 AM
    WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions 7th Jun 16 at 8:36 AM
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-waspi-campaigners-right-complain-we-should-all-glad-steve-bee

    A good article.
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    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 13th Oct 16, 6:20 PM
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    I bet Bindman's Solicitors think that their birthdays and Christmases have all come at once!
  • jamesd
    Them and whoever takes on the discrimination counter-claim case against the WASPI2's organisation.

    We could end up with the government and a crowdfunded alternative case against WASPI2 going on as well. Will be interesting to see how those at the WASPI2 seeking increased discrimination do against those who are seeking less of it.

    Probably not going to be necessary, though, since the changes came about as a response to anti-discrimiination decisions and the WASPI2 are seeking to reverse that and go back to the greater discrimination there was before.

    Their first challenge might even be getting a court to accept that there is any prospect of success given the precedents, so it might even get thrown out at an early stage and save us a lot of avoidable concern about WASPI2's group causing pensions to be cut or not increased as much for everyone else to pay for their huge demands.
    Last edited by jamesd; 13-10-2016 at 8:30 PM.
    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 14th Oct 16, 12:27 PM
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    I bet Bindman's Solicitors think that their birthdays and Christmases have all come at once!
    Originally posted by Silvertabby
    It'll be interesting to see how their fundraising progresses,bearing in mind they're always whinging they're skint!

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10380633

    'Educational support services'

    Project Fear = Project Porkies
    • Pennylane
    • By Pennylane 19th Oct 16, 9:46 AM
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    It'll be interesting to see how their fundraising progresses,bearing in mind they're always whinging they're skint!

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10380633

    'Educational support services'

    Originally posted by Mortgagefreeman
    I think that's very unfair. Some women genuinely are skint and will remain so. It's not whinging, its fact.

    For some women it's more a case of it being unfair.

    Anyway, every £ is a help and they've already raised £28,000.
  • jamesd
    Yes, it's definitely a case of it being unfair. But not to the women concerned, to the men and other women. Hopefully the government will continue to protect those who would be harmed by the campaign's objectives.

    Meanwhile in the Commons on 12 October 2016 the Prime Minister responded to a question:

    "The hon. Lady should know that transitional arrangements are already in place. We did make changes. We committed £1 billion to lessen the impact of the state pension age changes on those who were affected, so that no one would experience a change ​of more than 18 months. In fact, 81% of women’s state pension ages will increase by no more than 12 months, compared to the previous timetable.

    The Department for Work and Pensions informed people of the change in the state pension age after the changes that were made in 2011. Moreover, in the future women will gain from the new pension arrangements that are being introduced. Women’s pensions are a long-standing issue, but there will be better pension arrangements for them in the future because of the changes that the Government have made.
    "

    and on 17 October there was a debate on the topic in which the government in the form of The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Pensions, Richard Harrington responded:

    "Transitional arrangements are already in place. We committed £1 billion to lessen the impact of the state pension age changes on those who were affected, so that no one would experience a change of more than 18 months. In fact, 81% of women’s state pension ages will increase by no more than 12 months, compared with the previous timetable."

    "I can only reiterate to the hon. Lady what has been said many times before. The Government made transitional arrangements that came to more than £1 billion. ... The Government have made the transitional arrangements, and no further moves will be made to assist those women, all of whom will benefit in time from the significant increase in the new state pension."

    "Those women, or indeed those men, under the state pension age who are in the position of destitution the hon. Lady mentions are fully entitled to a comprehensive benefits system, of which I am sure she is aware."

    "As the hon. Gentleman is aware, I have said many times, as have other Ministers, that the transitional arrangements have cost more than £1 billion and there are arrangements in place for those people in destitution. It becomes a question of the public money that is spent. At the moment, the new state pensions are costing £89 billion a year, plus pension credit and everything else, and there is no further money available."

    "I find it strange that the hon. Gentleman and his party were in the House when the Pensions Act 2011 was passed, yet their 2015 manifesto made no mention whatsoever of negating it."

    Assorted other mentions but those seemed most interesting to me and anyone who wants to read the lot can easily search Hansard as I did.
    Last edited by jamesd; 19-10-2016 at 10:49 AM.
    • bmm78
    • By bmm78 19th Oct 16, 10:44 AM
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    I think that's very unfair. Some women genuinely are skint and will remain so. It's not whinging, its fact.

    For some women it's more a case of it being unfair.

    Anyway, every £ is a help and they've already raised £28,000.
    Originally posted by Pennylane
    What is that £50,000 going to buy? The only thing Waspi have committed to is paying for legal advice and “materials to help” with maladministration complaints (that people can do themselves anyway).

    If it takes £50,000 to cover baby steps, how much will the Full Monty cost?
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  • jamesd
    There was however this gem that shows the lamentably poor level of knowledge on this subject of many MPs, not least Barbara Keeley in this case:

    "When the Pensions Act 2011 was debated, Government Ministers promised transitional arrangements to ease that burden, but those have not materialised"

    Given that more than a billion Pounds of transitional relief arrived as a result of the discussions of the 2011 Act and that those increased discrimination against men and other women compared to the original she's a pretty poor representative for supporters of additional relief.
    Last edited by jamesd; 19-10-2016 at 11:08 AM.
    • dunstonh
    • By dunstonh 19th Oct 16, 12:37 PM
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    During PMQs, Anne McLaughlin, the SNP MP, says May recently turned 60 but wants to keep working. What will the government do for the women losing out because of the rapid increase in the state pension age.

    she said that women constituents have to work 6 years longer to get their state pension and that is unfair. Theresa May just mentioned that the transitional reliefs mean that it was a maximum 12 month wait that women have had.

    So, once again, the SNP are getting this wrong.
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    • mumps
    • By mumps 19th Oct 16, 1:45 PM
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    During PMQs, Anne McLaughlin, the SNP MP, says May recently turned 60 but wants to keep working. What will the government do for the women losing out because of the rapid increase in the state pension age.

    she said that women constituents have to work 6 years longer to get their state pension and that is unfair. Theresa May just mentioned that the transitional reliefs mean that it was a maximum 12 month wait that women have had.

    So, once again, the SNP are getting this wrong.
    Originally posted by dunstonh
    It isn't a maximum of 12 months, the maximum is 18 months.
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    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 19th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
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    It isn't a maximum of 12 months, the maximum is 18 months.
    Originally posted by mumps
    Exactly!
    So is Teresa May as clueless as WASPI (2/3) are?
    • Pennylane
    • By Pennylane 19th Oct 16, 2:06 PM
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    Wow! Over £40,000 now.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 19th Oct 16, 2:17 PM
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    Wow! Over £40,000 now.
    Originally posted by Pennylane
    Apologies if I've missed it, but what is the money intended for?
    • Pennylane
    • By Pennylane 19th Oct 16, 2:55 PM
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    Apologies if I've missed it, but what is the money intended for?
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    You're not apologising .... you're SH** stirring.
    • mgdavid
    • By mgdavid 19th Oct 16, 3:01 PM
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    Exactly!
    So is Teresa May as clueless as WASPI (2/3) are?
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    Savvy enough to twig that she can keep on working for a living - and not afraid to either.
    A salary slave no more.....
    • mumps
    • By mumps 19th Oct 16, 3:23 PM
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    Savvy enough to twig that she can keep on working for a living - and not afraid to either.
    Originally posted by mgdavid
    But not quite on the ball with her facts. Gosh I am older than her and I can remember its 18 months, she should be ashamed. How is she going to run the country when she can't remember a simple fact. Tut tut.
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    • Mortgagefreeman
    • By Mortgagefreeman 19th Oct 16, 3:58 PM
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    Wow! Over £40,000 now.
    Originally posted by Pennylane
    Money seems to have been raised by current WASPI whingers paying the new £25 subscription.
    Project Fear = Project Porkies
  • jamesd
    During PMQs... Theresa May just mentioned that the transitional reliefs mean that it was a maximum 12 month wait that women have had.
    Originally posted by dunstonh
    That isn't what she really said, which I quoted earlier from Hansard:

    "no one would experience a change ​of more than 18 months. In fact, 81% of women’s state pension ages will increase by no more than 12 months, compared to the previous timetable"

    Exactly! ... So is Teresa May as clueless as WASPI (2/3) are?
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    Dunstonh just misrepresented what she really said, undoubtedly accidentally, and you and others appear to have relied upon that instead of the quote from Hansard a few posts earlier that shows she got it right.
    • colsten
    • By colsten 19th Oct 16, 11:56 PM
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    colsten
    Apologies if I've missed it, but what is the money intended for?
    Originally posted by Pollycat
    An absolutely valid question for which there is as yet no clear answer.

    You're not apologising .... you're SH** stirring.
    Originally posted by Pennylane
    This sounds like the typical response from a proper WASPI supporter. No answer, instead just an attack.

    In the WASPI world, people are supposed to just keep quiet, do as they are told, and never ask questions to which the answers might be hard. People have had their posts deleted and have been banned in scores for not complying with the WASPI party line.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 20th Oct 16, 1:32 AM
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    You're not apologising .... you're SH** stirring.
    Originally posted by Pennylane
    I asked a question that I don't know the answer to.
    And from your response, neither do you.
    • dunstonh
    • By dunstonh 20th Oct 16, 10:43 AM
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    Dunstonh just misrepresented what she really said, undoubtedly accidentally, and you and others appear to have relied upon that instead of the quote from Hansard a few posts earlier that shows she got it right.
    I actually copied and pasted it from the Guardian. Now that will teach me!

    I heard it live but didnt take in the specific words, as you wouldnt. So, I went to the guardian who have a daily feed on what is happening on politics and they summarise what was said. I was more focused on the point that the SNP were still harping on about it being unfair that women have to wait an extra 6 years without realising to notice the guardian error.
    Last edited by dunstonh; 20-10-2016 at 10:46 AM.
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