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    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 16th Apr 16, 8:35 AM
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    JISOFT - Alternative to Quicken / MS Money
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    • 16th Apr 16, 8:35 AM
    JISOFT - Alternative to Quicken / MS Money 16th Apr 16 at 8:35 AM
    Hello,

    I'm currently using Money and it is becoming slow. I've been looking around for an alternative. Which? has a review of some products but they seem to US based.

    There is a UK company - http://www.jiosoft.co.uk/

    Has anyone got any views on their Money Manager product?

    Thanks

    Title should be jiosoft and not jisoft - cannot change it
    Last edited by BarkingMad; 16-04-2016 at 12:00 PM. Reason: Title change
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    • le loup
    • By le loup 16th Apr 16, 8:59 AM
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    I'm currently using Money and it is becoming slow.
    Originally posted by BarkingMad
    What?
    Must be your machine or too much data.
    I've been using it for 14 years - there's nothing to touch it.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 16th Apr 16, 11:59 AM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 11:59 AM
    I think it is the amount of data. Files are 40MB. Exiting can take a few minutes. I know I can export/archive but like to have everything to hand.

    Dual Core 2.6Ghz and 3GB should be enough for Money.
    • colsten
    • By colsten 16th Apr 16, 1:15 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 1:15 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 1:15 PM
    What?
    Must be your machine or too much data.
    I've been using it for 14 years - there's nothing to touch it.
    Originally posted by le loup
    I have migrated to AceMoney which is, in fact, better than MS Money as I don't need any add-ons to get prices for stocks and funds. Other than that it does precisely the same as MS Money, and it's supported software with an active user community on their forum.

    I think it is the amount of data. Files are 40MB. Exiting can take a few minutes. I know I can export/archive but like to have everything to hand.

    Dual Core 2.6Ghz and 3GB should be enough for Money.
    Originally posted by BarkingMad
    Not sure whether moving to another package will resolve you issues. 40MB sounds a heck of a lot of data, and MS Money is essentially just a glorified spreadsheet, as are AceMoney and Jiosoft or BankTree. I have 10+ years of data, and easily 200+ active and closed accounts, and the file is not even 1.2MB. Have you tried exporting and importing - may be it would free up some space?

    If you want to migrate, one of your biggest concerns should be the data migration. AceMoney was truly ace in that regard, and it also has an evaluation licence. I wouldn't pay for a licence if I can't have a trial run with the migration.
    Last edited by colsten; 16-04-2016 at 8:33 PM.
    • ChemistDude
    • By ChemistDude 16th Apr 16, 4:47 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 4:47 PM
    YNAB - You Need A Budget?
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 16th Apr 16, 6:29 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 6:29 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 6:29 PM
    Microsoft Money still works brilliantly for me, but whilst we're all promoting alternatives Moneymanage Ex does a great job for freeware
    • pmduk
    • By pmduk 16th Apr 16, 7:09 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 7:09 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 7:09 PM
    The OP has forgotten to mention the product he's pushing costs £34.99 compared to the free product he's dissing. NB I've not even tried the product he recommends so can't comment on it.
    • colsten
    • By colsten 16th Apr 16, 8:32 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 8:32 PM
    YNAB - You Need A Budget?
    Originally posted by DesiBadBoy
    YNAB is popular with people who don't have any data to migrate and who don't have any investments. It's very unlikely that it would meet the requirements of the typical MS Money user.
    • No_6
    • By No_6 16th Apr 16, 9:35 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 9:35 PM
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    • 16th Apr 16, 9:35 PM
    Never had any problems with MS Money running slow, just depends on your computer, my new one with W10 starts and opens money in seconds. Also backs-up in a blink of my eyes.

    Which is much faster then my old Pent4 puter....
    but that was never that slow
    • Shedman
    • By Shedman 17th Apr 16, 8:10 AM
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    I am still running MS Money (2005 edition) on a 6 year old PC (just looked up how old my PC is and was surprised as I thought it was much newer - blimey maybe I need to treat myself...) with nearly 20 years data (and currently at least 50 bank/credit card accounts as well as shares, endowments etc and budgeting) and my file size is nowhere near 40mb and I have no speed issues (opening, closing or updating files).

    Have you seen this link: http://money.mvps.org/faq/article/250.aspx as there may be some tips in there. Also have you run the repair function (on a saved copy of the file just to be safe) as that may help in case there are any oddities in your file that are creating the massive file size?
    Last edited by Shedman; 17-04-2016 at 8:22 AM.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 17th Apr 16, 7:15 PM
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    The OP has forgotten to mention the product he's pushing costs £34.99 compared to the free product he's dissing. NB I've not even tried the product he recommends so can't comment on it.
    Originally posted by pmduk
    Hi PMDUK, Not sure what OP means but I assume it is original poster.

    I'm not pushing JioSoft - I'm asking for feedback on it.

    When has anything from MS$ been free? I'm aware that the sunset versions can be downloaded for free, but I did pay for Money many many years ago.

    Thanks for your contibution.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 17th Apr 16, 7:17 PM
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    Not sure whether moving to another package will resolve you issues. 40MB sounds a heck of a lot of data, and MS Money is essentially just a glorified spreadsheet, as are AceMoney and Jiosoft or BankTree. I have 10+ years of data, and easily 200+ active and closed accounts, and the file is not even 1.2MB. Have you tried exporting and importing - may be it would free up some space?
    Originally posted by colsten
    Thanks colsten, my files are around 40Mb. I migrated from Quicken in 2004. I'll take a look at the file size.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 17th Apr 16, 7:21 PM
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    Have you seen this link: http://money.mvps.org/faq/article/250.aspx as there may be some tips in there. Also have you run the repair function (on a saved copy of the file just to be safe) as that may help in case there are any oddities in your file that are creating the massive file size?
    Originally posted by Shedman
    Shedman, thanks for the link. I will defintelty try the repair / archive options. I migrated from Quicken - so perhaps that has caused some side effects. The Quicken file was 3Mb at that point.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 19th Apr 16, 8:41 PM
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    Shedman & Colsten,

    I followed your links/advice but it didn't make much difference. Still a very large file. I've not exported / imported but googling gave some info on how to read the .mny file. The TRN table is transaction table and it is very big - 35278 rows and each row is not small.

    I need to shell out some money to save the data above but it may be quicker than exporting each account one by one.

    There were comments on google that the Money db structure wasn't that great and I think this may be why I'm suffering - when it closes and creates a backup copy.

    Thanks for your help again.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 19th Apr 16, 9:22 PM
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    Although 40MB is pretty big I'm not so sure it's the cause of your problems, I checked my own file and it's 14MB and Money works absolutely fine. Could you experiment by setting up a smaller file containing just a few of your accounts to see if the problems go away or are still present? There's a thread on the Techie board from someone who claims to be having issues on W10, although again that's fine for me.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 20th Apr 16, 7:52 PM
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    Although 40MB is pretty big I'm not so sure it's the cause of your problems, I checked my own file and it's 14MB and Money works absolutely fine. Could you experiment by setting up a smaller file containing just a few of your accounts to see if the problems go away or are still present? There's a thread on the Techie board from someone who claims to be having issues on W10, although again that's fine for me.
    Yes, I'll give it a go. Just running a report of all my transactions over all accounts which will be exported to CSV. I'll be able to identify the Top 5/10 accounts in terms of tranaction volumes.


    Surpisingly the CSV export of around 35k transaction is 2.3mb, and when converted to XLS 1.5mb.

    I wonder where all the other data iin the mny file is coming from!
    • jimjames
    • By jimjames 21st Apr 16, 12:56 PM
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    Although 40MB is pretty big I'm not so sure it's the cause of your problems, I checked my own file and it's 14MB and Money works absolutely fine.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Completely agree. 40Mb is not a large file in the scale of things.

    Maybe it would have been a problem back in 1999 but when standard PCs now have 4Gb or more of RAM then the whole file can be run from memory with virtually no difference in available RAM or performance.


    OP - which version are you running? Might be worth upgrading to latest one if you don't already have it.
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
    • BarkingMad
    • By BarkingMad 21st Apr 16, 7:46 PM
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    OP - which version are you running? Might be worth upgrading to latest one if you don't already have it.
    MS Money V12 from he "about" box. MS Money 2004 from the CD box.

    Although 40MB is pretty big I'm not so sure it's the cause of your problems, I checked my own file and it's 14MB and Money works absolutely fine. Could you experiment by setting up a smaller file containing just a few of your accounts to see if the problems go away or are still present?
    OK, exported 5 largest accounts in terms of the number of transaction following https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/178830. I didn't create all the accounts with a zero balance but the import asked me to create. I imported two accounts, approx 24% (8218) of all my transactions. Money created new accounts when it recognised I had performed transfers.

    The two QIF import files had a size of 533,297 bytes. The new mny file is 12,107,776 bytes. About 20 times bigger. Puzzled!?!
    • Bobsg8
    • By Bobsg8 13th Oct 16, 6:34 PM
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    Good substitute for MS Money BUT...
    I have succesfully imported ten years of data from MS Money to Money Manager. The bank accounts section works well and the home page will always display the up-to-date balances. But the investments section will not display Market Value. It sems to have a mind of its own as to what information to show. This means that the reports it generates are useless. Has anyone aany ideas to correct this?
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