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    • MSE Nick
    • By MSE Nick 20th Jan 16, 5:06 PM
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    Cheap Calls - guide discussion
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    • 20th Jan 16, 5:06 PM
    Cheap Calls - guide discussion 20th Jan 16 at 5:06 PM


    Hi all,

    We've written a new Cheap Calls guide and would love your feedback.

    How did you find the info? Was it useful? Do you have any other tips you'd add?

    Thanks for your help!

    MSE Nick
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    • Ian011
    • By Ian011 20th Jan 16, 7:42 PM
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    • 20th Jan 16, 7:42 PM
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    • 20th Jan 16, 7:42 PM
    Indirect Access providers such as '18185' have various access numbers including 18185, 18866 and 1899, etc, but these only work from BT and a few other landlines.

    These indirect access providers also offer other ways to use their service - such as 080 numbers for those calling from other landlines or from mobiles.

    In almost all cases you settle your bill via DD on a monthly basis.

    Other dial-through providers traditionally offer 'instant access' 084 and 087 numbers, with the Service Charge paying for the international leg of the call.

    As the Access Charge can be quite high, especially from mobiles, many of these services also offer 03 or 080 access numbers. This requires a different method of paying for the international leg of the call - usually via a separate DD in arrears or a top-up via a premium rate number in advance.

    If you have inclusive calls to 0845 or 0870 numbers and can find a service whose numbers are still included, you can make essentially free calls to a variety of destinations.

    This may include calls to landlines and mobiles in Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man, calls to UK mobile numbers, calls to 084 and 087 numbers with a Service Charge of less than 10p per minute and calls to landlines and mobiles in various countries all over the world.

    There are many ways to save money but do first check the rates charged by your landline or mobile provider for direct dialled calls. In some cases, these calls can be very cheap. Some mobile providers offer calls to selected international destinations for only a few pence per minute. Likewise some landline providers offer inclusive calls to a number of international destinations as part of their various call packages.
    Last edited by Ian011; 20-01-2016 at 7:45 PM.
    • Roger1
    • By Roger1 21st Jan 16, 9:25 AM
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    • 21st Jan 16, 9:25 AM
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    • 21st Jan 16, 9:25 AM
    With such an array of information already included, it seems a pity that there's no mention of using these from mobiles:
    Comparing with the examples in the article:
    - 90p for a 30 minute call to a German or Australian landline (£2.70 to a German or Australian mobile) with Toggle;
    - 90p for a 30 minute call to a German or Australian landline with Three using short codes;
    - 90p for a 30 minute call to a UK mobile or landline with Three 3-2-1

    These complement 18185 which we use on our landline and are a lot less fiddly than some of the suggested routines.
    • MSE Nick
    • By MSE Nick 22nd Jan 16, 12:23 PM
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    • 22nd Jan 16, 12:23 PM
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    • 22nd Jan 16, 12:23 PM
    Hi Roger1,

    Thanks for your feedback. However the method of using a VoIP as suggested in the guide, yields lower prices than both of the methods you've mentioned. You can see this in the table - the other, more expensive options are there to highlight the difference in cost to more expensive options.

    You might consider them less fiddly methods, but in fact you still have to order a Sim, top it up, use it in your mobile (or have spare mobile for the same purpose). Paying via a VoIP means you just create an account online and add credit, and can calls via your mobile without switching sim, or via your landline. And as I mentioned it's actually cheaper.

    Correct me if I'm missing something but doesn't that make sense?

    Nick
    • Roger1
    • By Roger1 23rd Jan 16, 9:49 AM
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    • 23rd Jan 16, 9:49 AM
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    • 23rd Jan 16, 9:49 AM
    Thanks, Nick.
    You might consider them less fiddly methods, but in fact you still have to order a Sim, top it up, use it in your mobile (or have spare mobile for the same purpose).
    Originally posted by MSE Nick
    Or, as in our case, use the mobiles we already have.
    Paying via a VoIP means you just create an account online ...
    In our case, that would mean creating an extra account with the need to top up now and again.

    As you suggest, cost and convenience are important. We're happy with whatsapp and the occasional Skype from home and Three/Toggle when out and about. These also have benefits when travelling but they're outside the scope of this thread.
    • wendy05
    • By wendy05 15th Mar 16, 2:29 PM
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    • 15th Mar 16, 2:29 PM
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    • 15th Mar 16, 2:29 PM
    any possibility of getting the call checker utility back .. it is very useful in getting quick access numbers
    • Alloneword
    • By Alloneword 17th Mar 16, 12:43 AM
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    • 17th Mar 16, 12:43 AM
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    • 17th Mar 16, 12:43 AM
    any possibility of getting the call checker utility back .. it is very useful in getting quick access numbers
    Originally posted by wendy05
    Ditto, was going to ring me dad in Aus tonight but checker seems to have gone.

    Question, How are we supposed to save money if you remove it for the odd call now and then?

    All1
    • Charbles
    • By Charbles 17th Mar 16, 1:27 PM
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    • 17th Mar 16, 1:27 PM
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    • 17th Mar 16, 1:27 PM
    what happen to Call checker compare website.
    • Charbles
    • By Charbles 17th Mar 16, 1:32 PM
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    • 17th Mar 16, 1:32 PM
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    • 17th Mar 16, 1:32 PM
    Please bring call checker back.
    • Alloneword
    • By Alloneword 17th Mar 16, 11:00 PM
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    MSE, Anyone happy to comment on this one?

    All1
    • Ian011
    • By Ian011 18th Mar 16, 12:55 AM
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    Since Ofcom's reforms of 08 and 09 numbers effective 1 July 2015 the call checker had been showing incomplete information and incorrect prices.

    Presumably it has been taken offline while it is amended to work with the new call charge system. It needs to be loaded up with the Access Charge for each landline and mobile network and the Service Charge for each block of 084, 087 and 09 numbers.
    • Charbles
    • By Charbles 18th Mar 16, 3:36 PM
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    thanks

    So it will be back soon ?
    • Ian011
    • By Ian011 18th Mar 16, 4:14 PM
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    It took more than eight months for the system with incorrect prices to be taken offline, so my guess is... no, not soon.
    • Charbles
    • By Charbles 18th Mar 16, 4:58 PM
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    Or well sad . Money Saving Expert lost a good utility. It was very useful for consumers to compare international call rates. Now we have to use google until they bring it back.

    thanks for the update.
    • billsavings
    • By billsavings 19th Mar 16, 5:13 PM
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    Ditto, was going to ring me dad in Aus tonight but checker seems to have gone.

    Question, How are we supposed to save money if you remove it for the odd call now and then?

    All1
    Originally posted by Alloneword
    If you used it for the odd call in the mess it was in. I doubt if it would have been very cheap.

    If you posted the destination you wished to call,whether its Landline or Mobile and whether you have inclusive minutes, and if you are using landline or mobile. No doubt somebody would be able to advise you cheap supplier.

    To give you some idea. If you have an EE,Orange, T-Mob,o2, or 3 UK Mobile Payg or Contract. A 25 minute call to oz landline would only cost you 50p using http://www.dialacode.com/cheap-international-calls-to-Australia (Shortcode Access Inclusive minutes not required)
    Last edited by billsavings; 19-03-2016 at 5:24 PM.
    • Charbles
    • By Charbles 19th Mar 16, 7:25 PM
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    I disagree

    Call checker compare list was keeping up the competition and providers were dropping their rates . Is the same way with Money Supper Market they keep up the competition . Removing competition is not good for consumers.

    There were some mistakes but again there were providers there that were offering great rates.

    Dialacode only works from mobile EE,Orange, T-Mob,o2, or 3 and if you are on Landline , GiffGaff, Vodafone, Lebara and Lyca it does not work.

    So please bring back the MSE call checker if possible.
    • billsavings
    • By billsavings 20th Mar 16, 5:49 AM
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    I disagree

    Call checker compare list was keeping up the competition and providers were dropping their rates . Is the same way with Money Supper Market they keep up the competition . Removing competition is not good for consumers.

    There were some mistakes but again there were providers there that were offering great rates.

    Dialacode only works from mobile EE,Orange, T-Mob,o2, or 3 and if you are on Landline , GiffGaff, Vodafone, Lebara and Lyca it does not work.

    So please bring back the MSE call checker if possible.
    Originally posted by Charbles
    I agree it was a handy reference when it was more accurate.

    However many of the calls were no longer cheap since the introduction of the extra charges for calling 084/087 numbers,
    and many people were complaining about running up big bills by using it.

    It had no real bearing on competition many of the services being promoted were two different suppliers using different brand names trying to hook people in.

    No need for you point out the limitations of dialacode i clearly stated them.Did you not notice i was only using them as an example.
    Last edited by billsavings; 20-03-2016 at 6:02 AM.
    • stu369
    • By stu369 21st Mar 16, 4:45 PM
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    Hi all,

    We've written a new Cheap Calls guide and would love your feedback.

    How did you find the info? Was it useful? Do you have any other tips you'd add?

    Thanks for your help!



    MSE Nick
    Originally posted by MSE Nick
    Can we have the old CallChecker back please?, that still worked great a week or so ago.
    • Charbles
    • By Charbles 22nd Mar 16, 10:37 AM
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    The link is not working
    • robatwork
    • By robatwork 25th Mar 16, 4:16 PM
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    The callchecker hasn't been accurate for a couple of years - I checked sporadically and used its recommendations a few times. Each time, the price the callchecker stated wasn't accurate, and in a few cases it wouldn't even work to the destination.

    I have recently started using toolani from my mobile to foreign landline, and so far so great. No sim needed and no direct debit. Just a shame I can't use it from landline to landline.
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