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    • paulfoel
    • By paulfoel 15th Jan 16, 11:59 AM
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    Budget tyres or Premium tyres?
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    • 15th Jan 16, 11:59 AM
    Budget tyres or Premium tyres? 15th Jan 16 at 11:59 AM
    Realistically, how much of a difference is there?

    Surely, all tyres meet a minimum i.e. safe standard or they wouldn't be allowed to be on sale?

    Not talking about pushing the car to the limit such as cornering as fast as possible, just talking about sensible driving. Not interested if I can go through a corner 0.25 secs faster with better tyres etc.

    Generally, I guess, will the tyre not cause car to skid when stopping in the wet etc. Will it slide on ice in a corner.
    Cymru am Byth !!!
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    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 18th Jan 16, 1:01 PM
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    And fill it with supermarket petrol and get those immigrant car washes! Makes you wince to see a £40k car queueing for Asda's 99p petrol then going to the kurdish-car-wash for an industrial blast with some lorry cleaner.
    Originally posted by Horizon81
    Nothing to do with immigrants per se - we have plenty home-grown chancers who will 'clean' your car with a bucket and spade - sorry - I meant a gritty sponge and a squeezy bottle of washing up liquid.
    • jeepjunkie
    • By jeepjunkie 18th Jan 16, 1:06 PM
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    And fill it with supermarket petrol and get those immigrant car washes! Makes you wince to see a £40k car queueing for Asda's 99p petrol then going to the kurdish-car-wash for an industrial blast with some lorry cleaner.
    Originally posted by Horizon81
    Supermarket fuel is all there is these days...

    There is no Texaco, Esso, Shell, Fina, BP etc in this whole region.

    Should I go electric
    • paulfoel
    • By paulfoel 20th Jan 16, 11:54 AM
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    The best tire you can afford a budget tyres is better than bald premium tyre.
    Originally posted by Mankysteve
    On a similar vein, dont some places recommend changing tyres at 3mm rather than let them go down to legal minimum? Sure I read ambulances etc its 3mm and they get changed.

    Wonder how a premium tyres under 3mm but still legal compares to a brand new plenty of tread budget tyre?
    Cymru am Byth !!!
    • McClane54
    • By McClane54 20th Jan 16, 12:07 PM
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    Realistically, how much of a difference is there?

    Surely, all tyres meet a minimum i.e. safe standard or they wouldn't be allowed to be on sale?

    Not talking about pushing the car to the limit such as cornering as fast as possible, just talking about sensible driving. Not interested if I can go through a corner 0.25 secs faster with better tyres etc.

    Generally, I guess, will the tyre not cause car to skid when stopping in the wet etc. Will it slide on ice in a corner.
    Originally posted by paulfoel
    Just remember the tyres are the only thing that keeps you on the road! budgets are awful in doing that!

    top end will be great but mid range will be ok . never buy budget, if you value your life!
    • jeepjunkie
    • By jeepjunkie 20th Jan 16, 12:26 PM
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    jeepjunkie
    Just remember the tyres are the only thing that keeps you on the road! budgets are awful in doing that!

    top end will be great but mid range will be ok . never buy budget, if you value your life!
    Originally posted by McClane54
    I may be wrong but can I add to that?

    Tyres do part of the job but what about thinks like Electronic stability control, traction control, LSDs, diff locks on 4x4s etc.

    Previous cars have had one or more of the above but my current daily has none of that, VW Fox, and is very noticeable in poor conditions like ice/snow. Good winter tyres help stop one wheel spinning madly but could really do with something clever to assist traction.

    Agreed it all starts with good tyres
    • reeac
    • By reeac 20th Jan 16, 1:23 PM
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    Supermarket fuel is all there is these days...

    There is no Texaco, Esso, Shell, Fina, BP etc in this whole region.

    Should I go electric
    Originally posted by jeepjunkie
    Where's that then? Sounds like trolley-jockey heaven!
    • jeepjunkie
    • By jeepjunkie 20th Jan 16, 2:28 PM
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    Where's that then? Sounds like trolley-jockey heaven!
    Originally posted by reeac
    Scotland, obviously just the region I stay in

    Okay, there is a Jet station but has a pricing policy that will see it doomed now that ASDA is along the road...

    There is also a SPAR, no idea what fuel it sells but makes Jet look cheap

    Cheers
    Last edited by jeepjunkie; 20-01-2016 at 3:03 PM.
    • takman
    • By takman 20th Jan 16, 3:26 PM
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    Supermarket fuel is all there is these days...

    There is no Texaco, Esso, Shell, Fina, BP etc in this whole region.

    Should I go electric
    Originally posted by jeepjunkie
    All fuel comes from the same refinarys anyway no matter if it's a supermarket or BP station the only difference is a small amount of additives. The only time you will get a difference in fuel is if you get a different RON rating such as in Tesco Momentum.
    • wrightk
    • By wrightk 20th Jan 16, 5:13 PM
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    All fuel comes from the same refinarys anyway no matter if it's a supermarket or BP station the only difference is a small amount of additives. The only time you will get a difference in fuel is if you get a different RON rating such as in Tesco Momentum.
    Originally posted by takman
    please- no more fuel debates
    Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, and for once I'm inclined to believe Withnail is right. We are indeed drifting into the arena of the unwell.
    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 20th Jan 16, 6:04 PM
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    What make & model of car do you own? That has a bearing on the sort of tyre you need.
    Do you check tyre wear occasionally? With the engine running and handbrake on so as to operate power steering, turn steering wheel to almost full lock one way, then check tyres on the exposed side. Repeat with other wheel. Is there wear on the inner or outer edges of each tyre?

    If so, steering needs tracking at a responsible outlet. Wear on inner edge: steering is "toeing out" Wear on Outer edge: "toeing in."

    If there is wear on only one front tyre, that could mean a steering or suspension fault on that side.

    Whatever car I drive, I would never fit a "Budget" tyre. If steering and suspension has no problems, wear should be over the whole of the tread, over a period of time. When I have new tyres, I choose the best for the car and I always ask for the steering to be tracked. My tyres always last at least 3 years.
    There may be more than one way to skin a cat.
    But the result is always inedible.

    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 20th Jan 16, 6:43 PM
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    Just remember the tyres are the only thing that keeps you on the road! budgets are awful in doing that!

    top end will be great but mid range will be ok . never buy budget, if you value your life!
    Originally posted by McClane54
    Yep, I die regularly with my Evergreen fronts and Landsail rears. Must be at least a dozen times in the last year. It was icy this morning and I killed myself 4 times and other road users twice just on the way to work!
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 20th Jan 16, 7:16 PM
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    I may be wrong but can I add to that?

    Tyres do part of the job but what about thinks like Electronic stability control, traction control, LSDs, diff locks on 4x4s etc.

    Previous cars have had one or more of the above but my current daily has none of that, VW Fox, and is very noticeable in poor conditions like ice/snow. Good winter tyres help stop one wheel spinning madly but could really do with something clever to assist traction.

    Agreed it all starts with good tyres
    Originally posted by jeepjunkie
    My current car is the first I've owned with abs and traction control. Previous cars (and motorbikes) have had none of the above and have used cheap tyres without any real problem. It all starts with good driving.

    My car has genuine Goodride M+S tyres on the back. Can't remember whats on the front. Amazingly the car goes where I point it.
    Last edited by Norman Castle; 20-01-2016 at 7:27 PM.
    Don't harass a hippie. You'll get bad karma.
    • wrightk
    • By wrightk 21st Jan 16, 8:08 AM
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    Tyres are just one piece in a cars stopping/grip capability IMO. You could have the most expensive tyres on a car with shot brake pads, no abs/traction control, and they still wouldn't fare as well as some budgets on a well maintained car.

    Part worn market has increased rapidly over the years too. Some may say its dodgy/dangerous. My local part worn place has cars queing onto the road every single day. Whats better a new budget or a part worn pirelli/goodyear

    Personally, could only ever new manage budgets/midrange. Never had a problem with grip or stopping. Have also used part worns before and they've all been good quality ones. The fitter knows his stuff and can spot a dodgy one a mile off. Not the usual 'ditchfinder' death trap ones most people say.

    My current car manufacturer recommends budgets due to ridiculous wear on premium tyres
    Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, and for once I'm inclined to believe Withnail is right. We are indeed drifting into the arena of the unwell.
    • takman
    • By takman 21st Jan 16, 9:13 AM
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    please- no more fuel debates
    Originally posted by wrightk
    Don't worry there is no debate I've had this confirmed in writing directly from shell:

    "Shell FuelSave Regular Unleaded and Diesel, formulated with Shell Efficiency Improvers, have been specifically designed to save fuel from the very first fill at Regular fuel prices. Regardless of the fact that all oil companies fill up at the same refineries, the formulations of Shell FuelSave fuels are exclusive to Shell and only Shell customers can benefit from the fuels."
    • wrightk
    • By wrightk 21st Jan 16, 11:22 AM
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    Don't worry there is no debate I've had this confirmed in writing directly from shell:

    "Shell FuelSave Regular Unleaded and Diesel, formulated with Shell Efficiency Improvers, have been specifically designed to save fuel from the very first fill at Regular fuel prices. Regardless of the fact that all oil companies fill up at the same refineries, the formulations of Shell FuelSave fuels are exclusive to Shell and only Shell customers can benefit from the fuels."
    Originally posted by takman
    Wouldn't expect shell to say anything less about a shell product
    Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day, and for once I'm inclined to believe Withnail is right. We are indeed drifting into the arena of the unwell.
    • Joe Horner
    • By Joe Horner 21st Jan 16, 12:58 PM
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    Wouldn't expect shell to say anything less about a shell product
    Originally posted by wrightk
    Don't encourage him. next it'll be pointing out how the supermarkets can only do the stuff so cheap by leaving out all these expensive additive packages.

    Then (apparently straight faced), asking why bother with supermarket fuel because the local BP / Shell / Esso always price match the supermarkets anyway. Thereby invalidating their earlier claims about the "expensive additive packages".

    Snake oil has always been a good seller, and those who buy it are usually willing to swear blind that it works for them
    Last edited by Joe Horner; 21-01-2016 at 1:00 PM.
    • takman
    • By takman 21st Jan 16, 3:35 PM
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    Don't encourage him. next it'll be pointing out how the supermarkets can only do the stuff so cheap by leaving out all these expensive additive packages.

    Then (apparently straight faced), asking why bother with supermarket fuel because the local BP / Shell / Esso always price match the supermarkets anyway. Thereby invalidating their earlier claims about the "expensive additive packages".

    Snake oil has always been a good seller, and those who buy it are usually willing to swear blind that it works for them
    Originally posted by Joe Horner
    Haha, actually what I was trying to show was that it all comes from the same place so there is no difference. That's why I highlighted the bit where they agreed it is all from the same refineries.
    I fill up my car with bulk diesel direct from the refinery so I'm definitely not a snake oil kind of guy
    • reeac
    • By reeac 21st Jan 16, 8:57 PM
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    Tyres are just one piece in a cars stopping/grip capability IMO. You could have the most expensive tyres on a car with shot brake pads, no abs/traction control, and they still wouldn't fare as well as some budgets on a well maintained car.

    Part worn market has increased rapidly over the years too. Some may say its dodgy/dangerous.
    Originally posted by wrightk
    Indeed. You could say that all motoring is done on part-worn tyres.
    • Kevan Hughes
    • By Kevan Hughes 10th Jan 18, 11:29 AM
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    Kev
    Budget tyres do stop you in less than the stopping/braking distances recommended by the Highway Code. You just need to keep a decent distance behind the vehicle in front - Remember: ONLY A FOOL BREAKS THE 2 SECOND RULE! This should be doubled to 4 seconds in rain or 10 seconds in torrential rain.
    • Iceweasel
    • By Iceweasel 10th Jan 18, 4:00 PM
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    Budget tyres do stop you in less than the stopping/braking distances recommended by the Highway Code.
    Originally posted by Kevan Hughes
    Good luck with that Kevan.
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