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    • greent
    • By greent 30th Dec 15, 12:31 PM
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    KonMari 2016 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up
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    • 30th Dec 15, 12:31 PM
    KonMari 2016 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up 30th Dec 15 at 12:31 PM
    Link to 2015: thread: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5146700


    'The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' by Marie Kondo is a home organisation/ decluttering book like no other. Instead of looking for things to discard, Marie Kondo says we should instead look for things we wish to keep - using the 'does it spark joy?' method. Ultimately this means that everything in our homes should spark joy for us You might not think that everyday and seemingly mundane items can't spark joy - but you need to think around it a little. So whilst an iron may not spark joy, wearing ironed clothes may. A cheese grater may not spark joy, but your child may really like grated cheese in their wraps - which brings joy.


    Marie Kondo also says that this should be done quickly and properly. This may take six months to achieve, but tidying properly should mean doing it just once. This is against the often-seen decluttering advice of doing 15 minutes a day, or a drawer/ shelf a day.


    MK suggests an order as to what to sort through first and subsequently. This is important - she starts with items which many people do not have an emotional attachment to (clothes) and builds up to sentimental items (photos) so that a person's joy-meter can be developed along the way.


    Many MSE-ers have been following the KM method (kondo-ing) successfully. It fits into the MSE ethos by changing your mindse - you will no longer want to shop mindlessly for something 'just because' or 'it'll do' - you will want to buy only joyful items, thereby often saving ££ on random, impulse purchases.
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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 6th Jul 17, 10:14 AM
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    I did smile wryly at the memory of a condolence card which surfaced among the papery stuff from Nan's bungalow last autumn; a condonence card from a friend to my great-grandmother on the passing of her husband, circa 1902. My parents kept it (when I am responsible for it, it will hit the recycling bin in a New York minute).
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    But GQ, I think that card has now acquired protected rights due to its 'vintage' status (Don't you just hate the way 'vintage' is used to describe anything over 20 years old on eBay - along with 'shabby chic' as in 'I've slopped some white paint on it'.)

    I hope it's a long time before you inherit it, but I bet someone who isn't an MK convert will buy it!
    Originally posted by PollyWollyDoodle
    What Polly said

    GQ, if you don't want it, please give it to the local Family History Society! Please! Or the local museum. Anything!

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    • Picklepot
    • By Picklepot 6th Jul 17, 11:44 AM
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    Hi all

    Just interested to know if MK has a positive effect on mental health? I have a lot of big unpleasant things going on in my life at the moment.Nothing that will resolve any time soon.
    I have always found taking control of a situation helps me keep my stress down but unfortunately the bad stuff is largely out of my control.
    I know once i start rootling around in cupboards and drawers loft and garage it will uncover a massive amount to go, but it will also cause sadness making decisions and parting with stuff.
    Just interested to know what others think? I suppose what i am asking is, is it theraputic?
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    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 6th Jul 17, 12:25 PM
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    Just interested to know if MK has a positive effect on mental health? I have a lot of big unpleasant things going on in my life at the moment.Nothing that will resolve any time soon.
    I have always found taking control of a situation helps me keep my stress down but unfortunately the bad stuff is largely out of my control.
    I know once i start rootling around in cupboards and drawers loft and garage it will uncover a massive amount to go, but it will also cause sadness making decisions and parting with stuff.
    Just interested to know what others think? I suppose what i am asking is, is it theraputic?
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    Originally posted by Picklepot

    Yes, it is, very. I think just knowing that those decisions are out there waiting for you, hiding in the attic and the garage, causes a lot of stress. Once you have made those decisions, and have decided to only keep what makes you happy/comfortable (or what is necessary to make you happy - like screwdrivers to put up cheerful shelves ) 'life' becomes easier. Your head does not need to cope with anxiously awaiting what will come next, and can focus on the main issues (which you may not like - clutter has a way of hiding important issues).
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    • Picklepot
    • By Picklepot 6th Jul 17, 12:48 PM
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    Thank you Siebrie you couldnt be more right!
    There are some things i know its completely ridiculous to keep. I know why and what the emotion behind it is but this time i need to have the courage to just let them go.
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 6th Jul 17, 1:07 PM
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    Its definitely therapeutic, picklepot, but I'd definitely recommend starting with easy stuff at first, even for a few days. The stuff you're calling ridiculous to keep - do *you* understand why you've done so (not asking you to share, unless you want to). And how is that different from "the courage to let it go"? It sounds like a very big deal.
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    • Picklepot
    • By Picklepot 6th Jul 17, 1:23 PM
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    Thanks Karmacat

    No honestly, even i can see its ridiculous. Am under a huge amount of pressure at moment so generally beating myself up about everything.
    I have 'congratulation on birth of baby' cards in my garage.(He s an adult now for goodness sake) We had a flood a long time ago i was going to photograph them as they got wet, i tried to dry them but they were badly damaged. i need to chuck them.
    The emotion behind them was that when my DS2 was born 2 big life events happened when he was 9 days old, we had to manage a horrible situation but thankfully he was a wonderful baby and we got through but when i see the cards i feel bad that we didn't spend that new baby special time with him that we did with DS1 and do the baby books and momentos. i couldn't even preserve his cards.

    I have decided to discuss it with him. I know he will laugh and tell me he loves me and to let them go.

    See its ridiculous isnt it?
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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 6th Jul 17, 1:52 PM
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    Oh sweetie! It's new baby hormones, that's for sure.
    He loves you, and he knows you love him.
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    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 6th Jul 17, 3:32 PM
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    Picklepot - I do understand where you are coming from as due to circumstances I was unable to spend as much time as I wanted being a Mum to my two boys (who are also grown men now) However, it took me a long time to realise that the loss was entirely mine - not theirs. They had everything they needed including love so felt no deprivation. It was me that was deprived. There's no way I can do anything about it Sh*t happens but I have two sons that I love dearly and I know love me. Weep a little weep & let it go Picklepot.
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    • PollyWollyDoodle
    • By PollyWollyDoodle 6th Jul 17, 5:00 PM
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    I think that the end result is definitely beneficial. Lots of people have talked of feeling lighter when they get rid of stuff, and my life is definitely less stressful just because I'm not wading through piles of paperwork to find one item or having to move several things to reach something stored at the back of the cupboard.

    However the process can arouse some painful memories and it forces us to confront the results of our past actions. If you're feeling particularly fragile, and we all get days like that, then don't push yourself too hard.
    "Inconceivable". "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 6th Jul 17, 7:12 PM
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    I think one of the tricks is not to allow oneself to be derailed by a big ole bugbear of an item. If you can't face making a decision about a particular item, put it aside. Maybe for a few months, or weeks or even years.

    It's truly amazing to me that some things which were too emotional to release can lose some of their potency over time and become a bit meh, whatever when you revist them.

    Been busy IRL with work, gardening and several excellent (library) books. I flitted into the library after work last week and had a glance at the For Sale books. Frustratingly, one of the titles was one which wasn't kept at that branch and which I had only just paid to have sent to mine, read and returned days earlier. Wasn't this particular copy as a different format but I had this inner convo:

    Wah! There it is, and only a little more to buy it than to have it reserved. Wah, wah! If only I'd known, I could have waited and bought it and OWNED it. Wah! Woe! etc etc etc.

    Then I gave myself a stern talking-to. I'd read it and returned it already (book 4 of a series of 9, have my nose in book 5 right now) and I don't need to own a copy. If I had bought it, I would have donated it by now, so there was no mileage in whingeing inwardly about not knowing it was going to be sold. Funny how there's an inner Aqusitiveness Monster in even a big, grown up wumman like wot I am.

    lillibet dripping, I'm finding the weight slipping off so easily with a paleo/ gluten-free diet. Lots of salads soused with lovely olive oil, seeds and nuts, veggies and modest amounts of meat and fish. I'm hoping to really impress the hospital clinic when I attend for my annual appointment in the autumn. They professed themselves very pleased with 11 kg/ 6 months which they saw last time.

    Karmakat
    , grinning about the idea of a local history society being interested in that old card. Can see why they might be if my ancestor was a person of note but he was just a regular working man, why would anyone want it?!
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
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    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 6th Jul 17, 8:54 PM
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    Picklepot, yes! I am finding the process very therapeutic. I am taking control -
    organising items into suitable places, easy to find and use;
    releasing items that make me cross, eg clothes that don't sit well, things that are 'neither use nor ornament', broken stuff, annoying things that don't serve their intended function, things that hold bad memories and other surplus Stuff that has clogged up my cupboards and my life!;

    All MK efforts reduce stress!

    I think it was GQ who said, ages ago, that we can get rid of the things that sit niggling at us and therefore have a much calmer environment.

    So I say don't keep the broken stuff and the stuff of bad memories, set them free!!
    Don't keep the surplus that does not spark joy, enjoy the new-found space instead!
    Look at the things that *do * spark joy and feel that joy!!!

    Hope this helps and if you could use one, please take this encouraging hug (((0)))

    M

    ETA - thanks to all Kondo-istas. I took my elderly neighbour down the local high street today so she could shop in 3 CS's. OK, so it was 27°C and I was pushing her wheelchair some considerable distance (!) but she bought 3 tops and a pair of sandals and said she had such fun treating herself. Well done all those who have released clothing. Worthy causes make some money and buyers get to 'recycle' the bargain items.
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    • kittie
    • By kittie 7th Jul 17, 8:46 AM
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    Hi all

    Just interested to know if MK has a positive effect on mental health?c
    Originally posted by Picklepot
    very much so, no doubt about it

    I cannot stop sewing and am being drawn back to indie 70s designs. More on the sewing thread as that is the right place. KM is being set in motion again this morning. I just don`t want to wear the modern polyesters and the everyday designs and clothes that everyone my age is wearing, so why am I keeping them? Just because I have bought them for some occasion and worn them once. I will keep a few very easily packed things, just in case I go on holiday but have no wish to do so, however never say never and I must keep those to one side. Another big clearout is looming and I don`t know whether to laugh or cry at the stupid past expense. Nah, lets be positive and if I can give someone else the benefit, then why not hand them to the cs. Lets see by tonight, if I have managed to do it
    • daisy 1571
    • By daisy 1571 7th Jul 17, 11:28 AM
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    Hello everyone

    I have been lurking around the beginning of this thread since page 1 and now am just into the 200s but I felt I should say hi. I apologise I won't be replying to recent comments of course.

    I have read the books, done my undies, kept them more or less as they should be but having kondoed myself into an early retirement (50 and 1 month ) last year I finally "feel ready" for this. Reading through everyone's tales has got me fired up for it. Last few weeks have seen me get results - I did the front garden of weeds and although I've done this before I would walk sadly up my path before thinking where have all these dandelions come from ? Then go in the house and shut the door lol. Now I realise of course there was probably about two months between the big effort and that moment. I now keep a spray at the door and every few days I'm on top of any new regrowth. Such a small thing but it shows how easy it is to keep on top of something instead of fighting to bring it back. And my much bigger looking front garden gives me such joy now.

    Last few days I have gone through my tops and got rid of loads that no longer give joy and have the rest all neatly folded and categorised (tiny bit concerned this is going to let my love of categorising, labelling and sorting come to the fore, I always said my ideal home is Adam West's Batman cave where everything has a lovely neat label ). Last night (after a few days of clearing space in cupboards, prowling around and tidying surfaces into the new space until Mr daisy commented how nice the house was these days) I pulled almost EVERYTHING out of the cupboard of doom (not as big as the Narnia cupboards but alost a small room size). The stuff that came out literally took over a room big enough to have 3 4seater couches, a dining table and 6 chairs with space to spare. Cue Mr daisy coming home lol. I have needed to do this for years and it is marvelous purging, sorting, properly storing and getting a handle on my WIPs (multiple) .

    Anyway, just wanted to say hi and thank you to all the posters on here that have been keeping me fresh and enthusiastic. If anyone is interested I will update further with my circs and how I came to be in such a mess etc etc.



    Daisy xx
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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 7th Jul 17, 11:38 AM
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    Karmakat, grinning about the idea of a local history society being interested in that old card. Can see why they might be if my ancestor was a person of note but he was just a regular working man, why would anyone want it?!
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    Well, you've mentioned your family have roots in the area stretching back a long time. Working class roots at that. The only way the history of working class people is known is if the people who've got a piece of it - a physical piece like this card, or a story, like you have and like I have - that history has to be protected and cherished. Working class people are being demonised and dehumanised left right and centre - or being seen as funny stick figures in early motion picture images. Who knew that working class people were sending cards, as early as the date you mention? Even I didn't ...
    /political diatribe.

    I've been active in genealogy since the late 1960s, and I have nothing from my family of that era except a digital copy of the wedding of one set of my great grandparents in 1903. Even that digital copy is very precious to me.

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    • PollyWollyDoodle
    • By PollyWollyDoodle 7th Jul 17, 11:59 AM
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    I'm inclined to agree - I was joking about the eBay sale, but I do think something that old is a bit of social history. Maybe you could persuade your Ps to part with it now, if a local museum can ne located?

    Daisy, well done on your achievements and welcome to the thread. Sounds as if you're doing well.
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    • greent
    • By greent 7th Jul 17, 3:17 PM
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    daisy - welcome - and of course we're interested!
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    • MrsPorridge
    • By MrsPorridge 7th Jul 17, 3:24 PM
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    I'm new to the thread too - having read about it on another thread! I have only read the first couple of pages and then skipped to the last couple - will catch up on the in-between in due course.


    Anyways - today I have cleared a windowsill in the spare bedroom. Even just that small act has made a big difference.
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    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 7th Jul 17, 4:02 PM
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    A friend gave us three large shoppers with girl's clothes, luckily enough with sizes for both my dds (to prevent jealousy). Lovely tops and dresses, tights, socks, shorts, T-shirts. About a third of a bag is now in the 'for Africa' box in the attic, because both girls decided they were never ever going to wear those items.


    My eldest has tried on one bagful of clothes, and about half actually fit and look good. The half that did not fit or look good is now in the attic waiting for my youngest to grow into.


    My youngest tried on half of a larger bag, and almost everything fit and looked good. We will try on the other half tonight.


    I always switch between 'this is enough for them' and 'wonderful, so manymany clothes to pick (and I didn't pay a penny!)'.
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    • kittie
    • By kittie 7th Jul 17, 4:02 PM
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    To the new people, welcome and be prepared for uplifting, energy raising, positive addiction. Certainly gives you that lovely heart warming feeling

    Woo hoo, yes I did it, cleared 15 items out of my wardrobes, including some new items, a dress that I took up and never wore and a very warm lands end coat suitable for the arctic. All gone plus about 10,000 hama beads and dozens of shape makers, now to be rehomed. Only so I could make space at the bottom of a small wardrobe for longer skirts and dresses to hang without restriction. Its left me a bit tired so rest of today is for taking it easy
    • MMF007
    • By MMF007 7th Jul 17, 4:12 PM
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    Welcome Daisy and MrsPorridge. Please do post your thoughts, successes and questions. It keeps us all going.
    I have had a quiet patch lately because of lots of other commitments. The stuff I had already sorted is still a great success and I have had some small wins but I would like to find time for a revisit several categories.
    Yes, Daisy, please do tell ! I am nosey curious about anyone's history, hopes and plans. This thread is so interesting because of the stories along the road to the magic of tidying

    Today's filing of domestic paperwork, following negotiations of £50 off car insurance (quote wasn't that high to start with so was very pleased to get good reduction) just showed how timesaving and stress busting having 2 neat files can be! I could lay my hands on DH's and my policies within 20 seconds. I also filed the boiler service record and a bank statement. I know many people have everything online but i do like paper copies of some crucial things

    I realised that my new shelves for storage cupboard mean I can tidy away a few clean jars for future jam-making. I would like to report that DH, who moans about the empty jars , said the latest small batch, which is raspberry, blueberry and apple is 'really really good'

    I am still considering getting one more of the shelves, they are the *perfect* fit and stop the contents getting jumbled. I did make do with boxes but they just weren't right for that space. I use fruit punnets etc elsewhere and they work fine but not in these 3 cupboards. Hmmm, I appear to have talked myself into getting the final one
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