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    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 21st Dec 15, 11:39 AM
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    Capital 2 Coast FCN ticket
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    • 21st Dec 15, 11:39 AM
    Capital 2 Coast FCN ticket 21st Dec 15 at 11:39 AM
    On Nov 24 2015 I was issued with an FCN in a private car park at my block of flats in Wimbledon. The situation was that I had an unknown car park in my allocated space, for which I hold a valid permit. Due to this, I then parked in one of the “20 minute bays” (for which I have a permit although these permits were actually rendered obsolete in October, although the management office failed to notify every flat, but merely affixed a sign to a wall near the postal lockers) and I promptly received a Fixed Charge Notice on my windscreen, c/o Capital 2 Coast (a company based in Brighton, who have presumably been contracted by the landowners). My initial response was to send them a letter notifying them that my own space had been taken by someone else and I was forced to park elsewhere). They rejected this. I then followed this up with a second letter to them, the standard letter stating:- a) The sum sought does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of yours or your principal's loss. b) The signage on site is deficient and fails to comply with the British Parking Association's Code of Practice, Annexe B. c) In the absence of any evidence it is my case that you lack any or sufficient proprietary interest in the land. d) Your notice was deficient and fails to comply with Schedule 4, Protection of Freedoms Act.

    They have now also rejected this and stated I must now appeal to the IAS (Independent Appeals Service) who I see from the internet reject 80% of all appeals anyway and, it would appear, act on behalf of the car park cowboys anyway ?? I now have until 31 Dec 2015 to either pay the £60 parking fine ; or until 14 Jan 2016 to pay the full rate of £100. Otherwise I am liable for potential court costs etc etc .....

    PLEASE HELP !! What do I do now ?!! IS there any way out of this horrible mess ??
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    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 10:07 AM
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    something smells in brighton! (not one of our members tho)


    capital 2 coast , seem to be doing the dead parrot sketch , dead deceast , gone , no more https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06659495/officers


    cant seem to find them at the IPC


    however one of its board Gavin Stuart PRICE has links to (or ex) https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/7VTIXL8_xF3iRAqDoRz_Hok1OpQ/appointments


    the fact that they are desolved may make it hard for MIL to produce document's
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 18th Oct 16, 10:13 AM
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    OK, that sounds positive I guess, but what should I do next ? As i said, I can't involve solicitors, I have no legal experience myself and am worried about what may happen now ! The sum they're after (at the moment) is £160 .... would they really go to court for that much ? Are they bluffing ? What should I respond to them with ?
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 10:13 AM
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    One Parking Ltd (Trading as Capital 2 Coast Parking Management)

    13/08/2014
    www.capital2coast.co.uk
    This Operator's AOS membership was inactive between 7th January 2015 and 17th July 2015.
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 18th Oct 16, 10:17 AM
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    Those dates (7th Jan 2015 to 17 July 2015) are before I got the ticket though.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 10:23 AM
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    do you want to fight the ticket , or are you just going to pay up , NO SOLISITORS at a county court ,


    please , pay up or start doing some reading


    when you have read the suggested links , THEN return and ask any questions to fine tune your replies


    we are NOT going to write them out for you


    sorry , but it seems the most google searched words in the UK are MIL and BW , try using this wonderful facility
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 18th Oct 16, 10:40 AM
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    Yes - thanks - thats what I'm trying to do, I just can't see anything relevant to what I need. I am willing to fight it and of course not expecting you to write it out for me. But at the moment I cannot find anything of any relevance and so have got no idea on where to start / what I should say to them. Whats "BW" ?
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 18th Oct 16, 10:46 AM
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    https://www.google.co.uk/search?site=&source=hp&q=parking+prankster+mil&oq= psrking+prankster+mil&gs_l=hp.1.0.0i13k1.3802.1303 4.0.16253.22.22.0.0.0.0.312.2653.11j8j1j2.22.0.... 0...1c.1.64.hp..0.21.2557.0..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i1 0k1j0i13i30k1.OZx0RddkDdM


    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=c926ddcd8b 508e315e166283636e61b1&search_in=posts&result_type =topics&highlite=%2Bmil+collections


    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/search.php?searchid=169313007




    and lots lots more forums to search
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 18th Oct 16, 1:16 PM
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    Thanks - which part / line do I need to look at ? Can I do this myself ?
    Originally posted by tracywimbledon
    Yes you can, with our help. AFAIK we've never seen a MIL case lost that got a defence from here.

    Most are discontinued. It really is not that difficult to see MIL off, funnily enough, even though you have identified the driver to the parking firm in an appeal, do not mention who was driving in your responses to MIL (they will have pretty much NO paperwork and are just aggressive people hoping scared victims pay up).

    ok - thank you, so what should I do ? Will they take this to court, as they have threatened ? (There is a statement in bold on their letter, saying "DO NOT UNDER-ESTIMATE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS LETTER") . I don't want to involve solicitors which would be costly, but I can't defend myself in court ..... do I need to write back to MIL ? What should I say ?
    Have a look at these thread from yesterday which is exactly like your situation and would be at the top of any search you'd done for 'MIL':

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5542413

    Search the forum for MIL and read other threads to see what will likely pan out. There is one on page one now where the OP has happily taken advice to build a decent MIL defence (cueball is the poster) but a search will find you dozens more. No-one on here with a MIL claim (or LBCCC which is where you are at) is likely to have to attend court as MIL rarely take it to a hearing.

    Read posts by HO87, the resident expert poster on MIL here. MIL are not the parking firm but ARE likely to try a small claim (see cueball's draft defence for pointers as to the legal arguments - you DO NOT need a solicitor nor help from anyone except openly, on this thread, including HO87 if he rocks up).

    Oh, and on this forum and/or on pepipoo do not reply to any private message from a poster with less than 1000 posts to their name here. We deal with these issues openly on the forum and any pm could be from anyone at all (even MIL!) and any private message about this is not recommended to be replied to/read unless it's from HO87 (if it is definitely him).

    You can do this with our help. Also complain to your MP and Mrs May and that guy Corbyn as well:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5524754&page=6

    Please do take time to make those complaints once you've read a few threads and can see the wood for the trees.






    P.S. Don't worry about 'BW' that's just a legal firm who harass people too. Unconnected to your MIL case.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 18-10-2016 at 1:20 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 18th Oct 16, 1:51 PM
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    Same situation here:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5542655

    Why not send a pm to sarahsexton, click on her username and compare notes, help each other.

    HTH
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 18th Oct 16, 1:58 PM
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    Thanks Pappa Golf and Coupon Mad. Will sending either of the below help me ? Or should I be trying a different tact ?

    1. (Quote)

    Re: (MIL's reference)

    In relation to the above please provide answers to the following.

    1. Confirm that you have in your possession the original deed of assignment duly executed containing details of alleged debt .

    2. Confirm that it is available for inspection and where this might be conveniently conducted .

    3. Confirm that you are able to provide certified copies of it and original will be produced in court.

    4. Confirm the full name and address for service of the director (s) or company officer (s) of the purported assignor responsible for assigning the debt to yourselves .

    5. Confirm that you have all the documentation produced by the assignor in the support of the alleged existence of a debt and their compliance with the relevant legislation and that you are able to supply certified copies of it .

    THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR COPIES OF DOCUMENTATION.

    TAKE NOTICE THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION REQUESTED WITHIN 21 DAYS OF SERVICE . Further i require that the information be provided in the form of a statement of truth duly signed by an authorised signatory.

    (unquote)


    2. (Quote)

    Re: (MIL's reference)

    I refer to the above, which I refute, based on the following;-

    a). The sum sought does not represent a genuine pre-estimate of your costs as you do not own the land.

    b). The signage on site is/was deficient and failed to comply with the British Parking Association's Code of Practice, Annexe B.

    c). In the absence of any evidence it is my case that you lack any or sufficient proprietary interest in the land and, further, have no interest or authority to manage the vehicle parking at the site in question.

    d). At the time of the FCN being issued I was the holder of a legitimate permit allowing me to park my vehicle in the parking bay concerned.

    (Unquote)

    PS: I also noticed that their original letter does NOT appear to come from a solicitor and is not even signed !
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 18th Oct 16, 2:10 PM
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    It's not an FCN...

    Maybe wait for HO87 to comment later this week, before rushing to reply.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 18th Oct 16, 2:12 PM
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    OK Coupon-Mad, thank you. Will HO87 see this ? I thought the original ticket received was known as an "FCN" though ?
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 18th Oct 16, 4:35 PM
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    Would the following be acceptable / advisable to send to MIL ? :-

    (QUOTE) :-

    In response to the above I deny any liability whatsoever to MIL Collections (or in the first instance Capital 2 Coast Ltd), for the following reasons;-

    - MIL Collections has no standing to bring a case.
    - MIL Collections has no capacity to form a contract with myself.
    - The signage does not offer a contract with myself.
    - MIL Collections provided no service to myself.
    - Even if a contract could be formed, it would be void as in breach of unfair Terms in
    Consumer Contract Regulations.

    In summary, MIL Collections have no interest in this charge and have done nothing more than purchase some dubious information from the now defunct Capital 2 Coast Ltd, presumably for a nominal fee, in order to indulge in wanton trafficking in litigation.

    The afore-mentioned extravagant 'parking charge' is totally baseless but I realise that you have now incurred some nominal postage costs. Equally, I have incurred costs to date, for researching the law and responding to junk mail from Capital 2 Coast and yourselves dressed up to impersonate a parking ticket. It is clear that my costs and yours, at this point, do not exceed £15. Therefore, this is a formal “drop hands” offer. I remind you of the duty to mitigate any loss, so withdraw the spurious charge within 35 days without further expense and I will not pursue you for my costs. If you persist then I will charge in full for my time at £18 per hour plus my out-of-pocket expenses and damages for harassment.

    (UNQUOTE)
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 18th Oct 16, 4:53 PM
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    Oh, and on this forum and/or on pepipoo do not reply to any private message from a poster with less than 1000 posts to their name here.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    If Bod was still around he'd be able to consider sending people PMs ... I guess I'll have to wait for another 300 or so posts.
    Diary of a madman
    Walk the line again today
    Entries of confusion
    Dear diary, I'm here to stay
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 7th Nov 16, 3:48 PM
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    Hi all,

    Court summons now received ! I had already responded to MIL with a letter along the lines of my not being liable to the original parking company and therefore MIL has no connection to that matter etc etc ..... and also stating that MIL's purchase of an old alleged parking ‘charge’ to instigate legal proceedings falls under champerty and maintenance and is not allowable.

    What should I do next ? Insist that they attend the court hearing ? Or I just complete the forms and send them back to the court ? Do i need to attend ?
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 7th Nov 16, 4:22 PM
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    dont insist , they or solisitors paid by them WILL have to show up , its a game of poker , they have now chucked in thier final hand , hoping you would have or will fold now and pay up

    its going to cost them a lot to see your hand , several humdreds of £££ in solisitors fees etc to get a paltry £100

    distructions on paperwork

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5546325&highlight=
    Last edited by pappa golf; 07-11-2016 at 4:24 PM.
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 7th Nov 16, 4:32 PM
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    Thanks ! So now I just complete the forms, return them to Northampton and wait ?
    • tracywimbledon
    • By tracywimbledon 8th Nov 16, 5:10 PM
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    OK....sending Response Pack back to Northampton as a DEFENCE, with a COUNTER-CLAIM. Presumably the next stage will be to hear back from them with a date and place for the hearing ? How do they nominate the place, is it likely to be a court close to me so I have to attend ? Any help much appreciated !! :-)
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 8th Nov 16, 5:26 PM
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    have you done EXACTLY as per pargepoles post , doing it wrong can cost you lots in edit fees
    Have YOU had to walk 500 miles?
    Were you advised to walk 500 more?
    You could be entitled to compensation.
    Call the Pro Claimers NOW.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Nov 16, 1:12 AM
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    OK....sending Response Pack back to Northampton as a DEFENCE, with a COUNTER-CLAIM. Presumably the next stage will be to hear back from them with a date and place for the hearing ? How do they nominate the place, is it likely to be a court close to me so I have to attend ? Any help much appreciated !! :-)
    Originally posted by tracywimbledon
    If you don't know basics, such as that it will be your local court you have not read this:

    IMPORTANT - KNOW WHAT YOU MUST DO AND BY WHEN!

    Here's a summary from bargepole of what happens when, what you MUST do in time, re the paperwork & deadlines:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5546325

    Do not think putting in the defence is your only job. Once allocated to your local court, you will be given a clear date by which YOU MUST file the evidence ('exhibits') and any Witness Statement (i.e. yours, as bargepole says in the above link!).
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the breadcrumb trail, top of page: Household & Travel > Motoring > Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking & READ THE 'NEWBIES' FAQS THREAD.
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

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