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    • Former MSE Helen
    • By Former MSE Helen 1st Oct 15, 5:39 PM
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    5p bag charge - your views
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    5p bag charge - your views 1st Oct 15 at 5:39 PM
    Hi everyone,

    From 5 October, supermarkets in England will charge 5p for carrier bags. So I wanted to know:

    1. What are your views on the charge? Is it good/bad/don't care - and why?
    2. And do you have any MoneySaving tips for getting around the fee?

    Thanks
    Last edited by Former MSE Helen; 02-10-2015 at 11:59 AM. Reason: (Typo)
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    • ScarletMarble
    • By ScarletMarble 14th Jul 16, 2:08 PM
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    Overpopulation is the big issue. Halve the population and all the "green" issues go away!

    But of course it's easier to ban carrier bags, isn't it.
    Originally posted by Nick_C

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    • Steve059
    • By Steve059 14th Jul 16, 3:18 PM
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    I still reckon that the 5p charge should also apply to "bags for life". When you buy them, they're "single use" bags. You might not use them again. If you do, then you claim your 5p back. Simple.
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    • jon81uk
    • By jon81uk 14th Jul 16, 4:07 PM
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    I still reckon that the 5p charge should also apply to "bags for life". When you buy them, they're "single use" bags. You might not use them again. If you do, then you claim your 5p back. Simple.
    Originally posted by Steve059
    Bags for life must have a cost of at least 5p anyway on their first use as you say, replacement bags can be free. You are not entitled to the 5p back, only a replacement bag for the worn out one. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/carrier-bag-charges-retailers-responsibilities#bags-youre-not-required-to-to-charge-for
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 15th Jul 16, 9:58 AM
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    I believe like your parents that some items should be bagged. I think it stemmed from the belief that if it wasn't in a bag, it was being shoplifted and also the bag promoted the shop. I recently went into a well named store and bought an outfit for a wedding. No small items ie dress and jacket and was asked if I had a bag. Surely even a man's suit would need a specialist bag?
    Originally posted by Loobyloo1us
    I hadn't really thought about this until the weekend when I bought a suit. Debenhams offered me a suit carrier for 5p (basically a tube of thick plastic with clips/handles at each end so you can fold it in half to carry). Can't really be folded and put in a pocket for future shopping use - and I'm not expecting to buy more than one suit a year anyway... So it's gone into the bottom of the wardrobe until I need to carry a suit to the dry-cleaners. 5p extra on a £200 (in the sale) suit is negligible really.


    Maybe I could walk into a tailors or another dept store with a Debenhams branded suit carrier swinging in one hand and see if they offer to replace it with their own at no cost?


    If I was out to buy say, shirts, then any clean carrier bag will do and can be folded into a jacket pocket.
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    • lavendergirl
    • By lavendergirl 15th Jul 16, 12:19 PM
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    Bags for Life cost 10p at least so double the single use thin bags. Free replacement when they wear out or a get a significant hole in them
    • jon81uk
    • By jon81uk 15th Jul 16, 12:30 PM
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    Bags for Life cost 10p at least so double the single use thin bags. Free replacement when they wear out or a get a significant hole in them
    Originally posted by lavendergirl
    Bags for Life are 6p at Asda.
    • Steve059
    • By Steve059 16th Jul 16, 4:55 PM
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    Bags for life must have a cost of at least 5p anyway on their first use as you say, replacement bags can be free. You are not entitled to the 5p back, only a replacement bag for the worn out one. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/carrier-bag-charges-retailers-responsibilities#bags-youre-not-required-to-to-charge-for
    Originally posted by jon81uk
    I know that's how it works. I was just saying how, IMHO, it ought to work. As I say, when you buy them and use them for the first time, bags for life are still single use bags, which is what the old free bags were defined as by the legislation, despite the fact that they could be used more than once.
    Last edited by Steve059; 16-07-2016 at 4:59 PM.
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    • Lydhig
    • By Lydhig 1st Aug 16, 9:24 AM
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    On the plus side its an excuse to buy more fashionable pretty canvas bags hahahah
    • maman
    • By maman 1st Aug 16, 10:44 AM
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    I hadn't really thought about this until the weekend when I bought a suit. Debenhams offered me a suit carrier for 5p (basically a tube of thick plastic with clips/handles at each end so you can fold it in half to carry). Can't really be folded and put in a pocket for future shopping use - and I'm not expecting to buy more than one suit a year anyway... So it's gone into the bottom of the wardrobe until I need to carry a suit to the dry-cleaners. 5p extra on a £200 (in the sale) suit is negligible really.


    Maybe I could walk into a tailors or another dept store with a Debenhams branded suit carrier swinging in one hand and see if they offer to replace it with their own at no cost?


    If I was out to buy say, shirts, then any clean carrier bag will do and can be folded into a jacket pocket.
    Originally posted by NBLondon

    I agree that the cost is negligible but some retailers that charge more justify this with better customer service and I think wrapping your purchases should be part of customer service. I think stores who want to trade as 'up market' should be introducing paper bags as was always the case in the past.


    I was in Jack Wills this weekend and was surprised when the assistant asked if I wanted to buy a plastic bag for 5p. I looked puzzled and asked what had happened to the paper bags they usually provide. He explained that they don't use them in the sale. As the £100+ of goods we were buying weren't in the sale I insisted he went off and found a paper bag. Then he proceeded to fold everything beautifully and put it in the bag.


    It might sound silly but part of shopping at Jack Wills for youngsters is carrying the distinctive pink and navy bag around town, it's all part of the designer label culture. If this is lost then stores like these who charge more, largely because they can, will be losing their USP.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 1st Aug 16, 10:50 AM
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    It might sound silly but part of shopping at Jack Wills for youngsters is carrying the distinctive pink and navy bag around town, it's all part of the designer label culture. If this is lost then stores like these who charge more, largely because they can, will be losing their USP.
    Originally posted by maman
    When my sister and I go shopping with my teenaged niece, she'll only carry the 'designer label' bags.

    Guess who ends up lugging the Primark bags around.....
    • flubberyzing
    • By flubberyzing 25th Sep 16, 4:54 PM
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    I don't have any issue with the 5p bag charge... I've been using reusable canvas bags for my grocery shops for YEARS now (can't understand the people who don't TBH).

    If I know I'm going to some other shop where I'm going to buy something, I'll take a folded bag for life in my handbag. Not bothered in the least about using a Tescos bag in Sainsburys for instance!

    That being said, I'm not bothered about paying 5p for a bag when I need one. It's close to nothing after all, and it'll only help me to remember a reusuable bag next time!
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    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 25th Sep 16, 5:43 PM
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    We've had the charge for almost a year now. I'm yet to purchase a 5p carrier bag

    Better still, not having a bag with me stops impulse purchases, saving even more money.

    I keep a few bags for life in my work rucksack and canvas bags in the boot of the car. Any other trips out of the house then I don't take any bags unless I'm going to the shop specifically.

    • MiserlyMartin
    • By MiserlyMartin 26th Sep 16, 8:30 PM
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    This 5p bag charge is a complete rip off and is a tax as some of it goes to the government for supposed good causes. After having 0.7% of GDP going on foreign aid with no consultation with the British people I feel very ripped off and certainly don't want to spend even more of my tax £ on charity, which should begin at home. If there was a referendum on the foriegn aid budget, I'm sure it would be cancelled.
    • Big Graeme
    • By Big Graeme 26th Sep 16, 11:39 PM
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    This 5p bag charge is a complete rip off
    Originally posted by MiserlyMartin
    You are completely free to avoid it if that is your wish.

    and is a tax as some of it goes to the government for supposed good causes.
    Originally posted by MiserlyMartin
    The majority goes to good causes, mainly in the community, the government gets the VAT, that goes into the general pot and is not designated to go anywhere special.

    After having 0.7% of GDP going on foreign aid with no consultation with the British people
    Originally posted by MiserlyMartin
    You mean like an election every five years? Not sure how much more consultation you think you are worth.

    I feel very ripped off and certainly don't want to spend even more of my tax £ on charity, which should begin at home. If there was a referendum on the foriegn aid budget, I'm sure it would be cancelled.
    Originally posted by MiserlyMartin
    Because referendums have a history of solving problems...
    • ScarletMarble
    • By ScarletMarble 2nd Oct 16, 8:34 AM
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    Some of the regular customers at my work have NEVER bought in their own bags and ALWAYS bought one.

    Plus seen other customers in other shops asking for a carrier bag even they can put their purchases into a bag they currently have. Not like putting clothes in food shopping.

    Only bought one 5p bag - Lakeland and so worth the 5p.

    These people I have mentioned above could easily spent £45-50 on carrier bags.

    There are tenants in the block of flats use the 10p bags for life as bin bags. Stupid as bin bags are CHEAPER.
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    • custardy
    • By custardy 2nd Oct 16, 9:13 AM
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    Some of the regular customers at my work have NEVER bought in their own bags and ALWAYS bought one.

    Plus seen other customers in other shops asking for a carrier bag even they can put their purchases into a bag they currently have. Not like putting clothes in food shopping.

    Only bought one 5p bag - Lakeland and so worth the 5p.

    These people I have mentioned above could easily spent £45-50 on carrier bags.

    There are tenants in the block of flats use the 10p bags for life as bin bags. Stupid as bin bags are CHEAPER.
    Originally posted by ScarletMarble
    So they have bought 900 to 1000 bags?
    That would be circa 20 bags a week.
    On a side note,you seem to take this quite personally.
    Embrace these people visit your store and have disposable income.
    • Gnocchi
    • By Gnocchi 7th Oct 16, 2:28 PM
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    My tips would be:

    1. Take your own bags
    2. If you have to buy bags because you forgot them
    (a) buy bags for life or foldup bags and stash in car or handbag or both
    (b) if an Ocado customer, hand to driver with others and get refunded as normal.
    • jon81uk
    • By jon81uk 10th Oct 16, 9:46 AM
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    This 5p bag charge is a complete rip off and is a tax as some of it goes to the government for supposed good causes. After having 0.7% of GDP going on foreign aid with no consultation with the British people I feel very ripped off and certainly don't want to spend even more of my tax £ on charity, which should begin at home. If there was a referendum on the foriegn aid budget, I'm sure it would be cancelled.
    Originally posted by MiserlyMartin
    approx 1p goes to the government as VAT.

    The other 4p goes to the retailer, they should then donate it to charity, less costs.

    Most retailers post on their website who they are donating it to. The charity choices are decided by the retailers NOT the government.

    http://help.marksandspencer.com/support/company-website/carrier-bags

    http://www.tesco.com/carrier-bags/

    http://your.asda.com/news-and-blogs/carrier-bag-charges-england-2015
    • Wizard of Id
    • By Wizard of Id 10th Oct 16, 7:33 PM
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    It's time people got over this, it has happened and will not be reversed.
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