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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 9th Jun 15, 7:25 AM
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    Green, ethical, energy issues in the news.
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    • 9th Jun 15, 7:25 AM
    Green, ethical, energy issues in the news. 9th Jun 15 at 7:25 AM
    I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread for posting general news items that may be of interest.

    PV and the 'Solar in the news' thread attract a lot of interest, so here's a thread for all the other goings on.

    Mart.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 26th May 17, 6:53 AM
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    Ecotricity are to start experimenting with storage

    Ecotricity readies large scale storage pilot to manage customer supply

    Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, said: “We’ve been looking at energy storage for some time now – waiting for the technology to make it possible. And we’re excited that we’re now at that point.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 28th May 17, 7:52 AM
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    'Bout time too.
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    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 2nd Jun 17, 2:57 PM
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    India will be the first to power its ports with green energy
    the government will install 200 megawatt solar and wind plants at the ports by 2019. Around 75 percent of the total output will be generated via solar panels, with the remainder falling to on and off-shore wind farms.
    https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/02/india-wind-solar-renewable-ports/
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 3rd Jun 17, 12:32 PM
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    As we switch to more and more RE generation, we will need more storage, and whilst the market is currently tiny, the growth potential looks to be staggering:-

    UK distribution network operators: frantic energy storage activity

    Specifically on storage, Laguna told the conference that UK Power Networks has received 13 GW of energy storage connection applications, up from zero just a year ago. Of this, the company has so far accepted 100 MW of proposals.

    Earlier in May, Western Power Distribution (WPD), another British DNO, said the company has already accepted 1.13 GW of battery storage capacity to connect in its network and offered a further 1.1 GW to other applications. The total number of applications that WPD has received is even higher.


    And the UK is to deploy a large flywheel storage system to help maintain the UK's frequency of 50Hz, which has depended largely on the mass of the giant turbines in the thermal plants, but as these reduce generation, alternative solutions will be needed.

    UK to host Europe’s largest battery flywheel system

    The UK is to become home to Europe’s largest battery flywheel system in a first for the country which will provide fast acting frequency response services and aid the integration of renewables.

    The €4 million (~£3.5 million) project is being brought forward to support the project which will be delivered by a consortium of engineers from the University of Sheffield, flywheel specialists Schwungrad Energie and Adaptive Balancing Power, and product supplier Freqcon.

    Almost two thirds (€2.9 million/~£25 million) is coming from the European Union’s Horizon2020 scheme, and the system will be connected to the Irish and UK grids to help respond to energy demand and stabilise pressure on existing infrastructure.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 3rd Jun 17, 1:39 PM
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    As we switch to more and more RE generation, we will need more storage, and whilst the market is currently tiny, the growth potential looks to be staggering
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    I think that there will be great strides in battery technology making them far cheaper and longer lasting in the fairly near future.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 3rd Jun 17, 3:48 PM
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    I think that there will be great strides in battery technology making them far cheaper and longer lasting in the fairly near future.
    Originally posted by NigeWick
    I think you're right about the near future. I'm reminded of when I looked at the massive promise of PV and off-shore wind and thought blimey in 5 to 10 years this will be unstoppable, then 2yrs later it's already happened.

    With 10's of MW's of storage being rolled out almost common place now in the news, and plans/contracts for 100's of MW's even GW's, I suspect the dam is about to burst (little bit of RE irony in their!)
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 7th Jun 17, 8:31 AM
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    just to say that according to the live generation data, wind is currently generating 10GW and is providing more than nay other technology.

    Live generation data from the Great Britain electricity grid

    These numbers differ from Gridwatch as not all wind is metered, and therefore some shows up as demand reduction on Gridwatch, rather than as generation (as explained if you hover your cursor over the wind dial on Gridwatch).
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 7th Jun 17, 8:56 AM
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    'Spectacular' drop in renewable energy costs leads to record global boost

    Renewable energy capacity around the world was boosted by a record amount in 2016 and delivered at a markedly lower cost, according to new global data – although the total financial investment in renewables actually fell.

    The greater “bang-for-buck” resulted from plummeting prices for solar and wind power and led to new power deals in countries including Denmark, Egypt, India, Mexico and the United Arab Emirates all being priced well below fossil fuel or nuclear options.

    Analysts warned that the US’s withdrawal from the Paris climate change agreement, announced last week by Donald Trump, risked the US being left behind in the fast-moving transition to a low-carbon economy. But they also warned that the green transition was still not happening fast enough to avoid the worst impacts of global warming, especially in the transport and heating sectors.
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 7th Jun 17, 9:21 AM
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    Just seen that article but you've got here before me! What is worth noting are the pictures of local bazaars/markets with solar panels on sale as commodity items. They won't be the latest super-duper models, I imagine, but they are fulfilling a demand, and show how it's getting down to the lower levels where being able to have lighting or a charged mobile phone is a valuable development.
    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 7th Jun 17, 2:48 PM
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    Analysts warned that the US’s withdrawal from the Paris climate change agreement, announced last week by Donald Trump, risked the US being left behind in the fast-moving transition to a low-carbon economy. But they also warned that the green transition was still not happening fast enough to avoid the worst impacts of global warming, especially in the transport and heating sectors.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    I don't think that one country will make any difference as the USA's businesses are well aware of profit margins increasing with the use of renewables and battery storage.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 8th Jun 17, 7:40 AM
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    Winds of change: gusts across Europe help set renewable power record

    In the UK, wind, nuclear and solar power were together generating more electricity than gas and coal combined at 1pm on Wednesday, for the first time ever.
    I think there's a typo in there. My understanding is that for the first time in the UK each technology (wind, nuclear and solar) were individually generating more than coal and gas combined.

    All three were putting out 8GW+ whilst the F's dipped below 8GW.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 11th Jun 17, 4:26 PM
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    Lazing on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

    OK, demand is lower on a Sunday, but once again nuclear, wind and PV have all individually been generating more GW's than gas and coal combined this afternoon. In fact FF generation has been below 5GW for several hours, something I'm not sure has happened before during the daytime.
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    • michaels
    • By michaels 11th Jun 17, 8:41 PM
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    Lazing on a sunny Sunday afternoon.

    OK, demand is lower on a Sunday, but once again nuclear, wind and PV have all individually been generating more GW's than gas and coal combined this afternoon. In fact FF generation has been below 5GW for several hours, something I'm not sure has happened before during the daytime.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    My only problem with gridwatch is that their dials have amber and then red indicators at the top of the production range and somehow seeing UK Nuclear output just now right in the 'Red zone' just doesn't feel right.....
    Cool heads and compromise
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 12th Jun 17, 9:17 AM
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    My only problem with gridwatch is that their dials have amber and then red indicators at the top of the production range and somehow seeing UK Nuclear output just now right in the 'Red zone' just doesn't feel right.....
    Originally posted by michaels
    She'll nah take it kapin!

    Good point I did have a chuckle at that .... nuclear's in the red zone! TBF after the last few years of problems it's almost nice to see the nuclear fleet actually working hard.

    I think Germany has built a very good RE base, but I'm not sure their plans to shut down their nuclear fleet early makes sense. If you've spent the money on them, and they are safe(ish), then milk every last low CO2 watt out of em ..... then move on to 21st century technology like windmills.

    Adding the 30% figure for embedded wind on to the main Gridwatch figure gives us some staggering amounts of generation for the summer.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 12th Jun 17, 10:01 AM
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    I think Germany has built a very good RE base, but I'm not sure their plans to shut down their nuclear fleet early makes sense. If you've spent the money on them, and they are safe(ish), then milk every last low CO2 watt out of em
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    I disagree. I'd push hard for 100% renewables and then get rid of nuclear, FF and wood pellet burning ASAP. I see our best option as local PV & battery storage with large scale solar, wind, hydro & wave generated electricity plus storage for industry and back up. Can you imagine a terrorist bomb in a nuclear plant or even the disruption caused by blowing up large FF power plant?
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 12th Jun 17, 1:07 PM
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    I disagree. I'd push hard for 100% renewables and then get rid of nuclear, FF and wood pellet burning ASAP.
    Originally posted by NigeWick
    But we (and Germany) won't get to 100% RE before the end of the life expectancy of existing nuclear plants (10-20yrs). So if you want 100% RE 'and then get rid of nuclear', then you aren't actually disagreeing with me at all. IYSWIM.
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    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 12th Jun 17, 3:02 PM
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    Can you imagine a terrorist bomb in a nuclear plant or even the disruption caused by blowing up large FF power plant?
    Originally posted by NigeWick
    No, because how would they even get near it? I have been in and out of a few Nuclear plants, and the security is incredibly tight. First, you can't even get through the gate unless you are invited (they have armed guards). Then you have all kinds of body checks, plus you have to surrender your electrical items. Then you are pretty much escorted everywhere, in fact the toilet is about the only place you are left alone.

    I know the news papers like the Daily Fail like to prattle on about these kinds of scenarios (planting the seeds of fear), but I can't see it in reality.

    Terrorists can get just a big of an impact, with much less hassle, buy attacking much less secure places. Just look at the recent awful events in Manchester. Such a huge impact, mostly because young people were the target.
    • Ben84
    • By Ben84 12th Jun 17, 10:35 PM
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    I think Germany has built a very good RE base, but I'm not sure their plans to shut down their nuclear fleet early makes sense. If you've spent the money on them, and they are safe(ish), then milk every last low CO2 watt out of em ..... then move on to 21st century technology like windmills.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Despite a lot of very successful renewable energy projects, Germany still uses a lot of coal and oil to make electricity. Switching off their nuclear power stations, which are lower CO2 and air pollution energy sources, doesn't make environmental sense to me.

    Personally, I'm not uncomfortable with nuclear power, I used to view it as generally environmentally positive - but times change and I'm more more pro-renewables now. Still, if you have the choice to keep the nuclear plant running or the coal/oil plant running, nuclear looks better.
    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 13th Jun 17, 1:58 PM
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    But we (and Germany) won't get to 100% RE before the end of the life expectancy of existing nuclear plants (10-20yrs).
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Once again, I disagree. If government got their finger out (which they won't), I reckon it could be as little as five years.

    The Siemens factory in 'Ull could crank up wind turbine production and they could build another couple of plants in about the two years it took to get the present one put up and running. Solar on all new builds could be legislated for and current buildings could be incentivised to have it fitted. I suspect local battery storage will be viable as soon as 2020 the way R&D is going. Won't happen of course but it could.
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 13th Jun 17, 2:08 PM
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    No, because how would they even get near it?
    Originally posted by lstar337
    I refer you to what happened in New York and Washington a few years back. A light aircraft packed with explosives flown by a nutter taking off from a nearby small airfield would have no real problem. Or, they could buy an old armoured car/tank, pack that full of explosives and drive through the fence and brickwork.
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