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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 9th Jun 15, 7:25 AM
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    Green, ethical, energy issues in the news.
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    • 9th Jun 15, 7:25 AM
    Green, ethical, energy issues in the news. 9th Jun 15 at 7:25 AM
    I thought it might be a good idea to have a thread for posting general news items that may be of interest.

    PV and the 'Solar in the news' thread attract a lot of interest, so here's a thread for all the other goings on.

    Mart.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 12th Sep 16, 8:42 AM
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    Interesting report on ccs.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37306766

    Sounds on the surface like a cheap(ish) way to deal with climate change but as the bbc piece points out it is only worth making the investment if you plan on using it a lot - ie by burning lots of gas but this doesn't fit with a model where gas is only a top up for renewables.
    Originally posted by michaels
    Hiya michaels, more on it here:

    UK must move now on carbon capture to save consumers billions, says report

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    • By Martyn1981 12th Sep 16, 1:28 PM
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    More news on tidal power:

    Atlantis readies MeyGen starters
    Four 1.5MW turbines will be deployed by GeoSea jack-up Neptune


    Tidal power developer Atlantis Resources has officially unveiled the 6MW MeyGen Phase 1A project today at the Nigg Energy Park in Scotland.

    The project consists of four 1.5MW turbines – three built by Andritz and one AR1500 Atlantis unit – weighing almost 200 tonnes each.
    The company said it remains on track to deliver first power to the grid from MeyGen Phase 1A later this year.

    Atlantis chief executive Tim Cornelius said: “This is the day the tidal power industry announced itself as the most exciting new asset class of renewable, sustainable generation in the UK’s future energy mix.

    “This is an industry that is creating jobs and is contributing to making Britain great again and Scotland is the undisputed world leader of this high growth sector.
    Mart.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 12th Sep 16, 6:31 PM
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    Some shock news, Vattenfall have beaten the record for cheapest off-shore wind bid, set recently by Dong Energy.

    They've come in at €60/MWh, though like the Dong contract it won't reflect connection costs and grid infrastructure, which could increase the 'real' price by 20% to 30%. Also it's a relatively easy install.

    Regardless, it's a fantastic price.

    Wind-Power Price Driven to Record in North Sea by Vattenfall

    There's also a small reference to the UK:

    The rapid plunge in the cost of offshore wind farms is fueling a debate about whether the U.K. government should back that technology or nuclear reactors to ensure cleaner electricity supplies in the next few decades. Vattenfall’s units would generate cheaper than the 92.50 pounds a megawatt-hour the Hinkley Point nuclear station needs if it’s to be built by Electricitie de France SA.
    [Note: The £92.50 figure is in 2012 prices, and for comparison is now £102/MWh or €121/MWh.]

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    • michaels
    • By michaels 12th Sep 16, 9:58 PM
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    There was a piece on the BBC this morning about the proposed 3.7MW nuclear reactor in Cumbria with a suggested price tag of £10bn - isn't this an awful lot less than the smaller Hinkley C?

    And I think it was based on a design already built and operating successfully elsewhere in the world. I know the French are our European partners and all that but is it part of UK industrial policy to overpay for a French still on the drawing board reactor without which the EDF manufacturing bit will go broke?
    Cool heads and compromise
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 12th Sep 16, 11:24 PM
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    There was a piece on the BBC this morning about the proposed 3.7MW nuclear reactor in Cumbria with a suggested price tag of £10bn - isn't this an awful lot less than the smaller Hinkley C?

    And I think it was based on a design already built and operating successfully elsewhere in the world. I know the French are our European partners and all that but is it part of UK industrial policy to overpay for a French still on the drawing board reactor without which the EDF manufacturing bit will go broke?
    Originally posted by michaels
    Hi

    Think of it in terms of pfi ... it's not what it costs to build, it's how/what you'll be paying over time .... if a <£50million school can cost the education authority almost £0.5billion over the term of a pfi contract, which figure becomes important from the proposer's viewpoint ?? ....

    HTH
    Z

    (ps ... .. it's GW! .. )
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 13th Sep 16, 7:25 AM
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    There was a piece on the BBC this morning about the proposed 3.7MW nuclear reactor in Cumbria with a suggested price tag of £10bn - isn't this an awful lot less than the smaller Hinkley C?

    And I think it was based on a design already built and operating successfully elsewhere in the world. I know the French are our European partners and all that but is it part of UK industrial policy to overpay for a French still on the drawing board reactor without which the EDF manufacturing bit will go broke?
    Originally posted by michaels
    Hiya.

    Hinkley started off at £12bn, which then rose to £18bn, and is now estimated at £24bn, which includes the financing costs - remember nuclear is 'even' more expensive to build as you are outlaying monies for 10yrs or so, with no income (generation to sell) so financing is a major part.

    The Cumbria plant at £10bn sounds better value, it's also slightly larger at 3.8GW (v's 3.2GW). Only guessing, but I don't know if that build cost includes financing.

    Also, as you say, this is based on existing technology, whereas the EPR at HPC is 'new' and there have been no end of problems so far at the two current build sites (France and Finland).

    The Cumbria design though, doesn't currently have approval in the UK, only the EPR design has been signed off, but I doubt that's a major issue.

    But as Z points out, it's not really about the build cost, that's just an indicator, which often doesn't work, it's all about the agreed strike price. Fingers crossed it's a more sensible amount, especially given the current wind and PV rates.

    Mart.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 22nd Sep 16, 7:54 AM
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    For anyone who remembers Desertec, the idea to link all of Europe's grids and also N. African PV & CSP, here's the Asian equivalent of a proposed super-grid:

    China, Japan, Russia, & South Korea Plan Renewable Energy Super Grid

    Entrepreneurs in China, South Korea, Russia, and Japan have signed a Memorandum of Understanding that seeks to create the Asia Super Grid. It will transmit electrical power from renewable sources from areas of the world that are best able to produce it to consumers in other parts of the world.
    Meanwhile, the price of wind and solar power is falling rapidly. Zhenya said recent PV bid prices for projects in the United Arab Emirates and Chile were as low as 3 U.S. cents per kilowatt-hour. Consequently, “according to our calculations, the cost efficiency (of wind and solar generation) will be more than fossil fuel energy by 2025,” he predicted. The next step, said Zhenya, is to study the technology challenges involved with developing and laying submarine cables to speed up implementation of Northeast Asia interconnections.

    Zhenya ended his talk on an upbeat note, saying that with wisdom and an open mind, GEI (global energy interconnection) can be achieved by 2050 as the way to transition to sustainable, low-carbon energy that will benefit everyone. The technology exists. All that remains is finding the political will to make it happen. Perhaps the urgency of the need to stop filling the atmosphere with deadly carbon pollutants will help spur a sense of renewed understanding and cooperation among the nations of the world.
    Mart.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 25th Sep 16, 9:01 AM
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    Looking at the Gridwatch charts for yesterday around 3pm suggests that wind (including non-metered supply side generation) may have briefly been the single biggest generator in the UK.

    If not, then it must have been very close to both gas, and nuclear output.

    Ok, only briefly, only one day, and a low demand period, but onwards and upwards.

    Mart.
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 25th Sep 16, 9:51 AM
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    I'd imagine solar wasn't too bad for the time of year, either. I generated nearly 20kWh on Friday and nearly 13 yesterday. Not being one of the obsessive monitors I can't compare with other years or periods, but it must all contribute to keeping FF usage down.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 25th Sep 16, 4:24 PM
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    I'd imagine solar wasn't too bad for the time of year, either. I generated nearly 20kWh on Friday and nearly 13 yesterday. Not being one of the obsessive monitors I can't compare with other years or periods, but it must all contribute to keeping FF usage down.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    According to PV Live, Friday saw 41.7GWh of PV and a peak of 6.06GW, and Saturday was 27.7GWh with a peak of 4.46GW.

    Gridwatch doesn't track PV generation, so it shows up as reduced demand. At 3pm yesterday PV generation was approx 2GW, thus reducing demand (on Gridwatch) by 2GW. The same would apply to un-metered wind, which was probably 2-3GW (on top of the metered 6GW) at 3pm.

    Regarding comparisons to previous years, PV Live will be useful, once it's been around for a few years. Unfortunately, at the moment the only winter it has reflects the poor Jan 16, and the horrific Nov/Dec 15 results. There's also the PV additions from Q1 16 to take account of, that will skew comparisons.

    Assuming we get a normalish winter this year, we should be able to see what a yearly curve for the UK looks like by Feb 17.

    Mart.
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    • susan j but
    • By susan j but 29th Sep 16, 8:45 AM
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    My Daughters solar panel Company went bust (about a year ago I think ) the unit in her loft which operates the system has now packed up and is still under 3 year guarantee. The insurance company has now also gone into administration and they have been told they have to pay 350.00 to have a new unit fitted. Any suggestions on where they can get help please ?
    • michaels
    • By michaels 29th Sep 16, 4:06 PM
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    I guess the invertor may be under the manufacturers warranty so your daughter would need to tal k to them re replacement but then find a local fitter who can actually do the swap out for her at her expense.
    Cool heads and compromise
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 30th Sep 16, 12:49 PM
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    I guess the invertor may be under the manufacturers warranty so your daughter would need to tal k to them re replacement but then find a local fitter who can actually do the swap out for her at her expense.
    Originally posted by michaels
    My assumption was that the manufacturer had replaced the inverter under the 3 year warranty, and the £350 was for replacing and checking.

    If the following article for prices in 2016 is accurate, an inverter replacement still costs around £1,000.

    http://new-boiler-cost.co.uk/solar-pv-panel-payback-and-costs-in-2016/

    Installation And Maintenance Costs

    A typical 4kW system costs home-owners around £6,500 today for a retrofit on an existing roof; new build prices should be cheaper. With the pressure of falling Feed-In Tariff payments we would expect this to fall to around £5,750 in the first half of 2016. The start of 2016 is going to be a very tough time for solar installation companies so it will take time for a clear pattern of prices to emerge and some will have more aggressive prices than others.

    There is little maintenance required on solar panels; the rain should keep them clean in most cases. The power inverter the system uses is generally only guaranteed for 10 years so a cautious customer will allow for the cost of replacing it during the 20 year Feed-In Tariff period. Replacing it today would cost around £1,000 but we have assumed the cost will be nearer £600 in 10 to 12 years time as costs reduce with increased global volumes. If you are lucky enough not to have to replace your inverter during the 20 years then you save a further £600 and your payback drops by between one and two years.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 8th Oct 16, 9:27 AM
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    Couple of fun .... oddball ...... stories that don't sound right at first, but have apparently been thought through, so best of luck to them.

    1. Sunamp eyes project to ship waste heat by barge to Bristol

    In total Sunamp is planning to use 32 shipping containers - each capable of carrying 2MWh of heat - for the project. If approved, it will supply the first phase of Bristol's district heating network, which aims to supply low-carbon heat to buildings throughout Bristol via a network of underground pipes connected to a number of energy centres, including biomass boilers and gas combined heat and power plants. Over time the city plans to phase out the use of natural gas in favour of renewable alternatives.

    2. Brighton gears up for new fleet of solar-powered buses

    A fleet of 10 electric buses operating around town will be charged overnight at a bus depot which has solar panels on its roof
    Every little bit counts!

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    • EricMears
    • By EricMears 8th Oct 16, 9:38 AM
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    A fleet of 10 electric buses operating around town will be charged overnight at a bus depot which has solar panels on its roof
    Mart.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    It might make more sense to use them as night buses and charge them up in the daytime ?
    N Derbyshire.
    4kwp S Facing 17.5deg slope (dormer roof).
    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 12th Oct 16, 11:14 AM
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    Syrians are coming up with some unique ideas for renewables
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37618592

    Syrians have found an alternative use for barrels to help generate much-needed electricity.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 15th Oct 16, 8:01 AM
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    Energy storage vital to keep UK lights on, say MPs

    Committee urges investment in batteries and smart demand technologies to ensure energy supply as old coal and nuclear power stations close

    Large-scale batteries to store energy and devices that switch themselves off are likely to be key technologies for keeping the UK’s lights on while shutting down old coal and nuclear plants, an influential committee of MPs has said.
    Mart.
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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 18th Oct 16, 8:44 AM
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    Green subsidies to push UK energy bills higher than planned

    Not quite as bad as it sounds, the article mentions that some of the reasons for the revision are that more RE was deployed than expected, wind farms are generating more leccy than expected, and the average wholesale price of leccy is less than expected, making the subsidy element of the CfD's (CfD's top up the sale price to the contracted strike price) slightly more.

    Mart.
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    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 18th Oct 16, 11:21 AM
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    Energy subsidies should focus on storage and cutting demand

    Subsidies to reduce the risk of blackouts must focus on energy storage schemes and cutting demand instead of "dirty diesel", MPs have urged.

    The committee said the government should redesign the capacity market to encourage energy storage, which ranges from lithium batteries to pumping water uphill and releasing it through turbines when power is needed.

    This technology could save billions of pounds for consumers, it said.

    Ministers should also consider a subsidy system to speed up the deployment of storage, given its importance for storing and using power from renewable energy to make the most of the clean technology.

    They should commit to making the UK a world leader in storage and set a procurement target for 2020, the committee said.
    • michaels
    • By michaels 18th Oct 16, 11:51 AM
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    Green subsidies to push UK energy bills higher than planned

    Not quite as bad as it sounds, the article mentions that some of the reasons for the revision are that more RE was deployed than expected, wind farms are generating more leccy than expected, and the average wholesale price of leccy is less than expected, making the subsidy element of the CfD's (CfD's top up the sale price to the contracted strike price) slightly more.

    Mart.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    This is quite amusing if you think about it:
    1) More RE than anticiapted has been successful in pushing down prices
    2) Therefore RE CfD payments are higher than expected
    3) Therefore RE is adding more to bills than expected

    Except of course these bills are still lower than they would have been without RE resulting in lower prices in the first place....
    Cool heads and compromise
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