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    • Kat88
    • By Kat88 21st Apr 15, 3:09 PM
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    Advice on buying a house with a nearby mineshaft
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    • 21st Apr 15, 3:09 PM
    Advice on buying a house with a nearby mineshaft 21st Apr 15 at 3:09 PM
    Hi everyone, I am hoping some of you might be able to give me some advice. I am close to exchange of contracts on a new build property as a FTB. The house builder is a relatively large developer who is well known. I reserved a property on a site nearby in the same town (Wakefield) but found out it had a mineshaft under the plot soon after reserving. The developer had another site nearby which I actually preferred so for peace of mind we switched properties and were assured that although there was a mineshaft nearby under another plot, ours was free of any (as well as the surrounding area).

    To cut a long story short we noticed on the plans there was a 'geogrid' and after weeks of asking we have finally been told it is covering a mineshaft. So technically the mine shaft isn't under our property but is on the road outside with the treatment stretching to our boundary. The mining report only showed the nearby mine under someone's house, not this one and the developer said it is likely a timing issue. The mine shafts on the site have been signed off by the coal authority and NHBC through the drill and grout method. I'm not too concerned that it would be unsafe, and the coal authority would be responsible for any work that needed doing in future if subsidence or anything like that occurred.

    I would like to know though of anyone else's experiences of buying plots with mineshaft so nearby that have been treated, whether they have found any issues and particularly if they have found resale to be ok. I love the house, the area and the development but I am worried that I would find it a tough sell in future. The development is popular though and I know houses have sold with the shafts actually under them so surely I am worrying over nothing?
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    • Daerve
    • By Daerve 21st Apr 15, 3:12 PM
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    I'd be guided by your solicitor.

    Personally if the mine has been treated and signed off I don't see the problem. It's hard to find houses round here that aren't affected by mines in some way so it's really not that big an issue unless the mine's just been left to rot.
    • Kat88
    • By Kat88 21st Apr 15, 7:58 PM
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    I'm hoping that's the case, that it is of little importance as it has been dealt with properly. My only real concern is if it may put other people off in future for buying the property.
    • Kat88
    • By Kat88 25th Apr 15, 10:23 PM
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    • 25th Apr 15, 10:23 PM
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    • 25th Apr 15, 10:23 PM
    Does anyone has any further advice on this issue, particularly someone else who has come across a mineshaft near their property?
    • audigex
    • By audigex 26th Apr 15, 12:30 AM
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    • 26th Apr 15, 12:30 AM
    I'm hoping that's the case, that it is of little importance as it has been dealt with properly. My only real concern is if it may put other people off in future for buying the property.
    Originally posted by Kat88
    This would be my concern - does the price reflect this? Not necessarily in terms of a big discount, but I'd be looking for the price to reflect the lower end of the market for similar properties, or at least for it to not be towards the top end ("It's expensive AND it's on a mine shaft? Put it on the 'Possible backups' list, dear")
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 26th Apr 15, 10:14 AM
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    • 26th Apr 15, 10:14 AM
    Looking at it objectively, you're far safer with a newbuild house which has had recent geotechnical reports and treatment done (and an NHBC guarantee) than with an older house where you'll have very little information beyond the Coal Authority report. However, I think a shaft that nearby will always put some people off. Whenever I've seen new developments they've generally put the landscaping areas etc over any mine shafts rather than build that close to them.
    • Kat88
    • By Kat88 30th Apr 15, 6:48 PM
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    Well I think part of the problem is they know it's a coal mining area but they don't know exactly where they are. The can't start digging until the planning proposal is accepted by which point they have stated exactly where the houses would be (I'm sure they would have put more of the affordable homes over the shafts had they known, which is naughty but I wouldn't put it past them!) To clarify my build isn't on the mineshaft, it's just close to it (road outside). As I say some people on the development have actually bought properties on a mineshaft (huge ones beneath their house). I also spoke to some locals already living on the site and they basically said you won't find anywhere else in this city that isn't within 20m of one. As you've said above at least it has been treated and we have details on that. Price doesn't come into it, the developer says they are selling like hotcakes and aren't willing to lower the price. For once I actually believe them, houses on there are selling quick and I know if we let it go someone else will snap it up super quick. I've decided not to worry so much, it's not on my plot and the coal authority and NHBC have all the guarantees in place. I'm going to exchange, I love the house
    • dragonsoup
    • By dragonsoup 30th Apr 15, 7:23 PM
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    • 30th Apr 15, 7:23 PM
    We have one on the property boundary between us and next door. It was unrecorded and didn't show on the mining searches we had done. First our neighbours knew about it was a hole appeared by the hedge.

    It's been filled/capped off/whatever they do and is now just part of next door's garden. As it's so close to us I'm sure that there isn't another one under our house or garden. Although we didn't know about it when we bought the house it has never worried me. I'm far more concerned about the well we apparently have under the sitting room floor.
    Last edited by dragonsoup; 30-04-2015 at 7:39 PM.

    • Kat88
    • By Kat88 1st May 15, 7:51 AM
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    • 1st May 15, 7:51 AM
    That does sound far more concerning! If you are ever interested you could find out for once and for all, I think it's about 30 and the coal authority will tell you if there is one or not on your property through their reports. It's exactly the same thing you would receive if you were doing searches for a sale as a buyer. I get the impression a lot of people on the site didn't know about the mineshaft nearby (they have to tell you if on the plot), as they were recently discovered the coal authority records hadn't been updated and so were none the wiser... most people just don't seem fussed at all about them though.
    • cajef
    • By cajef 1st May 15, 10:43 AM
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    If anyone was worried about old mine workings nobody would buy a property in some areas of West Cornwall, there are that many unmapped and disused shafts, adits and old mines in this area, you can have mining surveys done but of course they only show known workings.
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    • nic27
    • By nic27 2nd May 15, 7:24 PM
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    Not a problem in my view/experience
    We bought our new build house in Wakefield about 9 years ago, we have 3 points marked on the map all within 5 -10 metres off our property. 1 at the bottom of the garden, 1 at the side of the house on the road and 1 behind the house on road.

    The only problem we had which slowed down the buying process was our solicitor needing proof that they were all capped off correctly, we got a report from the coal authority stating that they were and that they are all owned by them. We also got a letter a few years later from them wanting to inspect the area in our garden which I assume must be a routine check.

    A couple of years later when one of the neighbours put up their house for sale, their prospective buyer was having similar problems to ours when buying it so they asked us for our report which we gave/showed them and the property was sold very quickly from time of putting up to completion. ( I think about 4 months I think)

    Since then over 10 houses approximately have been re sold since so in my opinion the mine shafts haven't put people off from buying.

    Hope this had helped you.
    • Kat88
    • By Kat88 3rd May 15, 5:55 PM
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    Thank you Nic27 it did really help. It's difficult being firstly a first time buyer and most things being scary and then secondly never knowing or hearing about mineshafts before. At several points the developer made us feel a little crazy for being worried over mineshafts but we were a little concerned. After speaking to people already on site though and the good advice on this forum we realised we were worrying over nothing. Fingers crossed though as we have all the paperwork if we have any issues like your neighbours with selling we can speed things up a bit. Better to have a nearby mineshaft you know about (that has been treated), than one that you don't

    Now looking forward to moving to Wakefield, were not local but have done some research and spent a long time looking around so hopefully we will love it!
    • 2640sarah
    • By 2640sarah 16th Mar 17, 9:02 AM
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    Hi,

    I just wondered what if you went ahead with the house and if you/your neighbours have sold their property or tried to sell.

    I am in a similar position. I have bought a new build in Wakefield and initially the solicitors advised there were no mine entrances within 20m of the property and I have exchanged contracts.

    However, 2 weeks from completion they have told me I am within 20m of a mine entrance. This info has just been given to them by the builders apparently. The builders are saying they have been filled and treated.

    The solicitors are not helpful and have said they are not qualified to advise regarding the mine entrances!

    And I don't really know what to do

    Any help would be appreciated

    Thanks x
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