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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 17th Oct 16, 12:08 PM
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    moneyistooshorttomention
    Thanks Mtstm, I am taking care. I see tradesmen and their injuries often (we have a few tradie friends ), the difference is that they do it week in week out. I think often with builders and general tradespeople, the "how to" knowledge isn't what you pay for (my builder friend says "any fool can do it, I do") you can find that out if you're determined, it's the grunt and experience that lets them do it at speed and successfully first time and more importantly you pay for wear and tear on their body.

    My friend, builder/chippie, has 2 !!!!!!ed knees, a terrible back, persistent shoulder problems, is missing the tips of 2 fingers and has a couple that are flatter than they were as a boy. Yet he's working full time. He's impressed at my progress, he says if he does that for a day he's sore. ... I told him that makes him a wuss I'm sore, but ok, a few bruises. I have exercises and pilates and will return to my normal cushy existence soon enough, hopefully with a couple of new muscles to show for it. Oh, and a level floor.
    Originally posted by Softstuff
    I know exactly what you mean Softstuff.

    In my home area the tradesmen just come in - do the job - customer makes drinks for them while doing it - they finish - customer pays them.

    Moving here and it's a very different kettle of fish. It starts with the "Pembrokeshire Promise" (ie they promise to turn up to quote/turn up to do the work/etc/etc - and you just have to hope they really mean it and will stick to arrangements made). When you do get a firm/one man band/whoever to turn up and do the job eventually - they have shared all sorts of "personal" information with you by the time they've finished. I was astonished by this to start with - but have got used to it now and almost expect to be told about ailments/money problems/you name it. I expect they think people from my area are "cold and impersonal"....

    So I've been told an awful lot about bad backs/bad knees/bad hands/broken legs/etc by now. I hadnt realised just how hazardous these jobs often are - and yep....part of what I'm paying for is to be the one standing there astonished on the ground whilst they shin up the roof (with no safety precautions whatsoever I've noticed
    ) or start creating all sorts of dust (with no dust mask on at all I've noticed). Hence I tend to think the prices they quote for doing things (assuming they are working to decent standard) are reasonable for what they are doing/keep up the hot drinks/pay them promptly at the end of it - and thank goodness I'm not the one having to make my living by doing those jobs.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 17-10-2016 at 12:11 PM.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.
    • Softstuff
    • By Softstuff 17th Oct 16, 12:55 PM
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    Thanks Polly, we got the last of the hallway up and are currently reclining (having a whisky on the bed). Up early tomorrow for more fun and frolics.

    Mtstm, we have become friendly with many of our tradies. I bake for them, coddle them, give them the number of my physio and on big jobs, buy them a nice bottle. If theysurvive working for me they deserve it
    Softstuff- Officially better than 007
    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 17th Oct 16, 1:09 PM
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    Good for you Softstuff. A good tradesman is worth his weight in gold My DS2 trained as a boatbuilder but his business now is as a tiler. He never advertises and has never been short of work. That's down to his ethos of 'right first time' & he now employs a couple of lads that he's trained/training. I know he has very high standards. He showed me a photo last week of a bathroom with curved walls with beige & gold mosaic. It looked stunning but even he admitted it was a pig to do but he was pleased with it & the customer was delighted.
    Only touble is - he's always too busy to do anythiong for me...............
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • Floss
    • By Floss 17th Oct 16, 2:02 PM
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    ...My DS2 trained as a boatbuilder but his business now is as a tiler....
    Only touble is - he's always too busy to do anythiong for me...............
    Originally posted by silvasava
    Cobbler's kids!
    • mardatha
    • By mardatha 17th Oct 16, 4:40 PM
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    Getting quite cold here last couple of days, need to add the second downie to the bed. I seem to be seeing xmas everywhere I look. Have got most of my knitting done, and the soap order came this morning - I'm going to make a few batches just to keep my hand in. Goatsmilk Lavender is my first one lined up, and after that maybe some Lavender & Lime. I had the idea to wrap each pair of socks or shawl in a colour-matched soap. Orange socks in a peach coloured soap/purple socks in a purple soap/ turquoise socks in a turq soap. Will beef up the parcel a wee bit and make them smell gorgeous too.
    I used to always be a last minute xmas eve shopper too - god knows where I got the energy! Now I need it all done and sorted in plenty of time so I can stay calm
    • Hard Up Hester
    • By Hard Up Hester 17th Oct 16, 5:26 PM
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    Creeps in quietly, I bain't dead, just been very busy/knackered and in a very bad mood for the last few days.
    I hope Monna and Nurse Maggie have good holidays.
    I have half term coming up and have stupidly agreed to dogsit, I'm too tired really but needs must.
    I bought 2 pairs of boots, to keep me warm at work as the heating doesn't go on until 1st November.
    I've also had to throw away a couple of dresses as they were falling apart and I need to look at least moderately tidy for work, so I need to replace them, the dog sitting will help to pay for these.
    I've started wearing my 2 winter jackets as they are warmer than cardigans. one jacket came from Edinburgh wools 15 years ago, the other one I've had for 25/30 years.
    Last edited by Hard Up Hester; 17-10-2016 at 5:31 PM.
    • westcoastscot
    • By westcoastscot 17th Oct 16, 5:30 PM
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    sounds lovely Mar, if you have any goatsmilk/lavender left over to sell let me know eh? Really cold here too, and wet and windy.
    I'm about half way through my chrimbo makes - crochet stuff, redwork &hopefully a wee lap quilt or two.
    I watched the Victorian Slum last night and have been reflecting on it, and on how much harder in a different way we as a society have made it for poorer people to flourish - between the technological advances which have taken away a lot of manual work, the materialistic lifestyle we've adopted from the states and our individual sense of entitlement life for many is not a whole lot better really. Food for thought!
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 17th Oct 16, 5:43 PM
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    What I would be interested to see a TV programme on (now I wouldnt be sitting there peeping at it through my fingers personally) is how the future of work is projected to be even just over the next 10 year period.

    There've been articles in the press about just how many jobs AI robots are likely to be able to take over and rough guesstimate is that it's not that long before they can do about 50% of existing jobs. Which leaves me wondering what the 50% of employees currently doing those jobs are supposed to do to make a living? Mainly the articles to date seem to be somewhat optimistic/look at all this extra time we'll have when the robots can do the jobs etc etc.

    But somehow I don't think that's how it will be and I wonder just how many people that can currently expect to earn somewhere between a passable and a decent income (and even some in careers on good income) might find their income takes a massive hit one way or another thanks to this - and be impoverished despite taking all reasonable precautions/good money management/etc not to be.

    I do wonder for the future for those with more than a few years to go till the safety of retirement.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 17th Oct 16, 7:22 PM
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    Good to see Hester , I hope things pick up soon for you . Drunk or not Monnas guardian angel needs to make those numbers happen .
    Mar I can almost smell those soaps , the gifts sound so cuddly and cosy . I've just been laughing , I had trouble getting back to the site kept getting an error code and also noticed my link on the laptop had disappeared I had a few bookmarks of recipes etc so clicked one and came on that way . Do you recall the heartfelt red cross porridge appeal ? Dec 2011- I suspect that was the winter the coal box was buried . Had a wander down memory lane , I wonder what ever became of Byatt in her little cottage and her lovely cat . So many names and so many memories .
    WCS I love redwork , it took me away from cross stitch and needlepoint . I think the colours are so apt in the winter . I was lucky to be given a copy of snow happy which is a blue and white version . Obviously the choice was always there to use any colour but this has some useful gifts and projects . It is described as whimsical and some designs are a bit too whimsical for me , but who can resist the snowman with cold twigs , warm heart .
    I'm looking forward to watching part 2 tonight, just need to keep the eyes open . You're so right about the thoughts it provokes , I feel we are winding back and although a different world now so much that was hard won is now being eroded .
    Take care all
    polly
    • Hard Up Hester
    • By Hard Up Hester 17th Oct 16, 7:37 PM
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    On the subject of work/tradesmen, I worry about my L&M, he doesn't get his state pension until he is 68, he still does a lot of hard physical labour, though not as hard as when he was roofing. But I can't see his health holding up doing the sort of work for another 7 years. His feet are in a terrible state he has already had some toenails removed, his joint are painful, and like me he is going deaf and blind.
    • westcoastscot
    • By westcoastscot 17th Oct 16, 7:59 PM
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    Hester I honestly don't know how some folks are meant to carry on with hard physical labour - you and I are both struggling with our workload, and we both work indoors - it must be ten times worse!! Youngest has a fishing boat, and one of his deck crew is almost 50 - it's brutal work for him but all he can get
    • Softstuff
    • By Softstuff 17th Oct 16, 8:39 PM
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    Next door has a new lodger, elderly chap short on money who's working for his son as an aerial installer. I think those who raise retirement ages have never raised a hammer, lifted anything heavier than a china cup or stood on their fett for more than an hour at a time.

    Over here some ageing tradies go working at the DIY store. Limited opportunities, but a chance to put their experience to use ( anx great for customers too).

    I wish I knew what the future held for employment. I was only thinking the other day that I wished there was a factory I could go work at. One possibility is that the economy in Asia improves to the extent that wages go up and we do end up bringing manufacturing back home. But I don't know. Doesn't matter how many machines they build, someone has to build them, fix them, program them and watch over them.

    The soaps sound lovely Mardatha. Hester, I never understood arbitrary heating schedules, hope you manage to stay warm.

    I'd better be off before the tiler finds me in pjs
    Softstuff- Officially better than 007
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 19th Oct 16, 9:48 AM
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    Looks as if we were all very busy yesterday! We took poorly brother to the airport and he's now safely back home.

    Very tired after 3 days "entertaining" him. We are looking after the DGC until after 5 this afternoon, and DD2 asked if we could stay later as it's also DGD's Open Evening/Parents' Evening and she had an appointment with DGD's teacher at 6.20, but I've had to say we can't manage that It's a shame, as she only asked us because their Godmother was going to have them but is now unable to.

    I was a bit this morning when I switched the laptop on and discovered that Google knows it's my birthday but I suppose it's not really surprising.
    • MrsLurcherwalker
    • By MrsLurcherwalker 19th Oct 16, 9:54 AM
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    Happy Birthday IVYLEAF, have a lovely day xxx.
    Go forward with the vision even if no one else can see it!

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    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 19th Oct 16, 11:57 AM
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    Happy birthday Ivyleaf I hope you get a chance of some rest some time soon .
    polly
    • Softstuff
    • By Softstuff 19th Oct 16, 12:31 PM
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    Happy birthday Ivyleaf

    I have a bit of good news today, I got the job
    In a week or 2 I'm officially a medical receptionist for an imaging centre in a hospital. At least a day a week, sometimes up to 5. Pays better by the hour than when I was in management.
    Softstuff- Officially better than 007
    • Floss
    • By Floss 19th Oct 16, 12:37 PM
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    Softstuff congrats! Now the challenge is to hold onto a job longer than I did!
    • Floss
    • By Floss 19th Oct 16, 12:39 PM
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    Ivyleaf happy birthday - I will pop some rainbow cupcakes & G&T drizzle cake into the ether for you
    • pollyanna 26
    • By pollyanna 26 19th Oct 16, 12:46 PM
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    Brilliant news SS . I bet that's put a smile on your face . Well done .
    You mentioned diy sheds employing older workers , we have a certain chain here with a similar policy and the wealth of experience of former trades etc makes it a much more positive experience . A real shame if it is through dire need but some I know weren't quite ready to retire so welcome the chance to keep their hand in and share their knowledge
    Hope all are well , finally have the big yellow ball today and I hope you all get a share .
    polly
    • ivyleaf
    • By ivyleaf 19th Oct 16, 1:52 PM
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    Thanks for all the birthday wishes G & T drizzle cake sounds particularly interesting

    Softstuff That's brilliant news
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