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    • happyhero
    • By happyhero 31st Mar 14, 1:16 PM
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    help please with Universal Wealth preservation Trust
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    • 31st Mar 14, 1:16 PM
    help please with Universal Wealth preservation Trust 31st Mar 14 at 1:16 PM
    Hi my mother is fretting over a scheme she has just paid for, one of those things where they tell you to take out a trust to protect yourself from inheritance tax so that that you can pass on more to your family rather than the tax man. She thought it was great at first but is now having doubts as to whether it is worth the money and does she really need it etc. I went to the first seminar with her and was with her for when they came round to arrange the trust she needed. She picked stage 2 and it came to £4000.

    Has anybody got any experience of these people or similar schemes?

    Once in the trust your property and savings/investments are protected from tax and any other attack basically.

    Both the seminar talker and the guy who came round have a bunch of qualifications in finance/investment and legal stuff, the seminar talker was a non practicing solicitor, i.e he used to be a solicitor before he did this.

    I like to think I am not easily swayed or taken in and both guys seemed nice genuine people plus I felt what they said made sense. I understood it all but my mother was worried that she did not. She feels all control will be taken away as they put the house and everything in trust whereas the way they do it is protect it in the trust and my mother becomes the boss for want of a better word and makes the decisions as to what will happen with everything, i..e who inherits what etc. Plus this way the property cannot be taken for things like care fees.

    I thought it was a good thing but my mother is now thinking of backing out and I must admit if she keeps being against it it does start to make me have doubts even though I was sure about it up till now.

    Can anybody tell me what they think or what would be brilliant if somebody has had this for a while and what their experience and thoughts of it are?
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    • metrobus
    • By metrobus 17th Apr 17, 10:52 PM
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    Thanks guys and the BBC for bringing this companies activities to our attention.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 18th Apr 17, 6:41 AM
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    Ironic, isn't it - the way these people's attempts to stop the BBC and others from publicising the problems with these companies have backfired on them and made this excellent thread even more visible on Google than it already was!

    If (text removed by MSE Forum Team)is watching (which I strongly suspect he is), here's a couple of words for you - Streisand Effect. It might help you.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
    Last edited by MSE ForumTeam5; 16-05-2017 at 9:07 AM. Reason: Personal details
    • jimjames
    • By jimjames 18th Apr 17, 9:24 PM
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    BBC Care home fee avoidance by Universal Wealth trust
    We consider that the content of the programme presented a very one sided version of events, was misleading and did not show this company or the wide range of professional services it offers in the correct light.
    Originally posted by UniversalWealthP
    So are you denying that you send out marketing leaflets as per the example on the BBC website? Has the BBC fabricated a leaflet as yours when it's not? Why do you claim to provide a service to avoid care home fees on your leaflets then deny it afterwards?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39589083

    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
    • racey
    • By racey 19th Apr 17, 9:26 AM
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    Universal operates nationwide and employs a team of highly experienced and qualified lawyers, accountants and tax specialists to provide expert advice.
    Originally posted by UniversalWealthP
    It's unusual , I think, for legal companies to have a website that has no "meet the team" list of employees. No employee is mentioned by name, not even Mr. Long its sole director.
    It would provide some reassurance, when contemplating using this company, if there was some reference to the team that are providing expert advice together with details of their experience and qualifications.
    There's a "meet our consultants" box on the main page but no link.
    It's a website that anyone can set up offering a service that anyone can purport to provide.
    Last edited by racey; 19-04-2017 at 9:29 AM.
    • Frenchie46
    • By Frenchie46 30th Apr 17, 8:38 AM
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    My late father got conned by these people. He told me everything was in trust and managed by these people, not to worry, on his death it would be very simple. He couldn't have been more wrong. He paid thousands of pounds to set up a trust that was not beneficial to him or his descendants in anyway. Our solicitor could have set up something better for a few hundred pounds. On the contrary these people were very awkward about releasing the funds, it took months of battling, nasty exchanges by phone and letter from us and our solicitor. We had to pay Universal's extortionate fees for signing papers, bank transfers, handling fees etc. It took almost a year from my fathers death to finally receive all the money from the trust. They had no right to keep it this long. And did they pay us any interest? a very derisory amount caculated by themselves. They had all the power over my dads estate. There is no governing body for these people, only the courts. After all the stress they put us through at a really horrible time after my father's death we couldn't handle the stress of taking them to court.
    So please ask a local solicitors advice. Show them the documents universal have put in place. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer like us because of these people. They are excellent salespeople. My father was an ex schoolteacher, so he wasn't stupid,but unfortunately he fell for their sales pitch.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 30th Apr 17, 8:51 AM
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    Thanks for sharing that experience, Frenchie46 - yet further food for thought about this group.

    I wonder if 'the official company representative of Universal Wealth' would care to comment? He (or she) seems very reluctant to respond to any questions put, though.
    • fergies_army
    • By fergies_army 21st May 17, 8:39 PM
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    Thanks for sharing that experience, Frenchie46 - yet further food for thought about this group.

    I wonder if 'the official company representative of Universal Wealth' would care to comment? He (or she) seems very reluctant to respond to any questions put, though.
    Originally posted by Doc N
    I wouldn't hold your breath.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 21st May 17, 10:45 PM
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    Now here's a thought for MSE and Martin Lewis, fresh from their excellent expose of John Lewis' underhand tactics with their 'Never Knowingly Undersold' policy.

    Why not a little more detective work in relation to Steven Long and his various companies operating under the Universal Wealth or similar names?

    Various posts have, after all, been removed from this thread, and some of us might be left wondering why that was.

    Perhaps MSE would like to do a little more detective work to add to the growing fund of knowledge about Long and his companies? After all, it might actually end up recommending them as good value - who knows?
    • newbiesaver55
    • By newbiesaver55 22nd May 17, 10:17 AM
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    Also interested in this company...
    • newbiesaver55
    • By newbiesaver55 22nd May 17, 10:42 AM
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    Bumping...
    • ColdIron
    • By ColdIron 22nd May 17, 11:58 AM
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    Bumping...
    Originally posted by newbiesaver55
    After 25 minutes?
    What do you think the previous 128 posts are missing? Have you read them?
    • newbiesaver55
    • By newbiesaver55 29th May 17, 11:52 AM
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    Yep I have. Frightening stuff. This company are still putting on seminars. it's always good t stay up to date.

    Thanks though!
    • Cazza1234
    • By Cazza1234 4th Sep 17, 2:18 PM
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    Universal Wealth Preservation
    I'm just about to delve into realms of this company following the recent, unexpected death of my father.
    • fergies_army
    • By fergies_army 4th Sep 17, 2:37 PM
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    Sorry to hear of your loss. Keep us updated how you get on!
    • Cazza1234
    • By Cazza1234 4th Sep 17, 6:14 PM
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    Sorry to hear of your loss. Keep us updated how you get on!
    Originally posted by fergies_army
    Thanks. I will do.

    At the moment I'm just trying to understand what my mum does and doesn't need to do and what they've signed up to. I feel a strongly worded letter coming on....
    • Deb1million
    • By Deb1million 14th Sep 17, 6:58 AM
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    4 years of chasing Universal/Steve Long
    Hi Cazzia1234, I'm sorry for the loss of your dad. I hope you and your mum don't have the problems I've had with this company.
    I've been wrangling with Universal Asset Management for 4 years, trying to get them to release my late aunts estate as she instructed them to do. I wish she had not signed up with Steven Long, but he was very persuasive.
    They have used every delaying tactic imaginable to hold on to her assets for all this time. (That's how they make their money, after all)
    I think that their staff turnover also leaves a lot to be desired, notwithstanding Steven Long's perpetual excursions!
    I have kept notes of all communication with them, and it's a massive file. I think it's time for another letter.................
    Last edited by Deb1million; 14-09-2017 at 7:00 AM. Reason: Left rough notes on screen
    • Eltel11
    • By Eltel11 23rd Oct 17, 6:14 PM
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    Are Universal still in business
    I have been trying to contact Universal Wealth Trust for several weeks by phone and email but never get a reply anymore.
    • Doc N
    • By Doc N 23rd Oct 17, 7:23 PM
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    I have been trying to contact Universal Wealth Trust for several weeks by phone and email but never get a reply anymore.
    Originally posted by Eltel11
    I'm not sure you can say that here - it might draw a complaint from their 'lawyers'.
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 23rd Oct 17, 7:56 PM
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    Malthusian
    Companies House and their website both suggest they are in business, yes.
    • Southfolk
    • By Southfolk 24th Oct 17, 7:48 PM
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    Bust
    I am led to believe that they ceased trading on Friday 20th October and the liquidators are now in leaving 45 staff without jobs and lots of people with them on their title deeds as trustees I suspect
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