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    • bargepole
    • By bargepole 28th Jan 14, 4:28 PM
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    ParkingEye: Another loss - Bristol
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    • 28th Jan 14, 4:28 PM
    ParkingEye: Another loss - Bristol 28th Jan 14 at 4:28 PM
    Bristol County Court
    Deputy District Judge Melville-Shreeve
    Friday 24/01/2014
    3JD06533 ParkingEye v Collins-Daniel

    In the defendant's own words:

    "Just to update you, I had my court case in Bristol with Parking Eye on Friday last week and won. The judge felt it could not be proved there was a contract between myself and parking eye and also pulled apart the signage which parking eye call the contract. The judge felt the signs were unclear and had many mistakes and could not be called on to act as a contract. He also got me lost earnings and travel expenses from parking eye. Thanks for your help with the cases. I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a transcript of my hearing - if you think this would be helpful for others let me know and I will try."

    Oh dear. Looks like PE's "we win 90% of cases" on their website is becoming further from the truth every week.
    Speeding cases fought: 24 (3 of mine, 21 for others). Cases won: 20. Points on licence: 0. Private Parking Court Cases: Won 23. Lost 7.
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    • SevenTowers
    • By SevenTowers 28th Jan 14, 4:59 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 4:59 PM
    Just to add, this was another case supported by the forum regulars, although the defendant seems to have done a pretty good job herself. Hoping to have more details in the next few days.
    • 4consumerrights
    • By 4consumerrights 28th Jan 14, 5:10 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 5:10 PM
    Well done again to all - wish I'd gone to hear the case!

    Was their landowner contract heavily redacted as well or a dodgy witness statement produced?


    Parking Eye - how many black eyes now is this?

    Carry on like this and soon it will be losing at least 90% of court cases!
  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
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    • 28th Jan 14, 5:48 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 5:48 PM
    Anyone would think some parking firms lied on their website
    • 4consumerrights
    • By 4consumerrights 28th Jan 14, 5:54 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 5:54 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 5:54 PM
    Anyone would think some parking firms lied on their website
    Originally posted by kirkbyinfurnesslad
    Do not believe everything you read on websites!

    Watchdog once did a programme showing how easy it was to claim all sorts of things on a made up website to do with property rentals and claims of satisfaction.

    One parking company even has a customer satisfaction statement with the same name surname as their company director - very original.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 28th Jan 14, 6:32 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:32 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:32 PM
    I think they may be starting to regret their scatter gun approach. However I would guess those that cave in before a hearing are still making it worthwhile for them.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 28th Jan 14, 6:35 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:35 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:35 PM
    Do not believe everything you read on websites!
    Originally posted by 4consumerrights
    Indeed, local job centre website advertised for staff, offered numerous people positions, charged them £65 for a CRB check, company didn't exist!

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/suspected-conman-advertised-job-government-6636536
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 28th Jan 14, 6:37 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:37 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:37 PM
    I think they may be starting to regret their scatter gun approach. However I would guess those that cave in before a hearing are still making it worthwhile for them.
    Originally posted by esmerobbo
    Agree on the 'folders', but the increasing head of steam regarding their actual court losses will get more and more wide publicity and have a larger negative strategic effect across the PPC network.

    I bet the small fry PPCs are cursing the whole PE court escapade.
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    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 28th Jan 14, 6:44 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:44 PM
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    • 28th Jan 14, 6:44 PM
    Agree on the 'folders', but the increasing head of steam regarding their actual court losses will get more and more wide publicity and have a larger negative strategic effect across the PPC network.

    I bet the small fry PPCs are cursing the whole PE court escapade.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    I agree, their few early wins have been negated by defeats and the word spreading amongst the judiciary.

    I wonder how Crapita are viewing this?
  • ledsons teeth
    Indeed, the ppc model has been a cash cow for a few years and it seems the likes of Haswell and Porkins, who were the bogeymen of the forums when I joined, have shown themselves smarter than Miss Ledson. They knew well enough not to rattle too many cages. PE pushed to the limit but you can't send out over a thousand court papers a month without following some through. It has to be said again. A huge congratulations to the brains here and Pepipoo who took them on and turned the tide.
    • stluke023
    • By stluke023 31st Jan 14, 11:17 AM
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    Anyway to get the court transcripts? or any one in pocession of?
    • Parking-Prankster
    • By Parking-Prankster 31st Jan 14, 11:31 AM
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    Anyway to get the court transcripts? or any one in pocession of?
    Originally posted by stluke023

    http://parking-prankster.com/case-law.html


    I post them here as they become available
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    • SevenTowers
    • By SevenTowers 1st Feb 14, 7:13 PM
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    Some more information from this case;

    Case number 3JD06533 Bristol County Court Deputy District Judge Prigg, parking eve vs Natasha Collins - Daniel


    "The lpc person did not hand out the contract. The judge said it should have been supplied and the lpc person said that there is a "vendetta" against parking eye on online forums and that supplying contracts breaks confidentiality laws with their clients. The judge said this was rubbish and the contract should be supplied. "

    Pranky - If you're reading this check out whay your email is bouncing, more details waiting for you.
    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 1st Feb 14, 7:22 PM
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    the lpc person said that there is a "vendetta" against parking eye on online forums
    Originally posted by SevenTowers
    Good to see that PE are feeling the pressure, and having to answer for their illegitimate claims.
    • trisontana
    • By trisontana 1st Feb 14, 8:28 PM
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    Infamy, Infamy they've all got in in for me! Diddums Parking Eye. Like most bullies they don't like people standing up to them.
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
    • Stroma
    • By Stroma 1st Feb 14, 8:34 PM
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    Online vendetta pmsl , it's not a vendetta it's the power of people power against a company with no ethics at all. Considering all the lies they tell though its hardly surprising that there is a campaign against their company.
    When posting a parking issue on MSE do not reveal any information that may enable PPCs to identify you. They DO monitor the forum.
    We don't need the following to help you.
    Name, Address, PCN Number, Exact Date Of Incident, Date On Invoice, Reg Number, Vehicle Picture, The Time You Entered & Left Car Park, Or The Amount of Time You Overstayed.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 1st Feb 14, 9:01 PM
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    "The lpc person did not hand out the contract. The judge said it should have been supplied and the lpc person said that there is a "vendetta" against parking eye on online forums and that supplying contracts breaks confidentiality laws with their clients. The judge said this was rubbish and the contract should be supplied. "
    What are 'confidentiality laws'?
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 1st Feb 14, 9:14 PM
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    Anyway to get the court transcripts? or any one in possession of?
    Originally posted by stluke023

    I did already pm you suggesting you get the Prankster's Guide to defending a PE court case.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • kirkbyinfurnesslad
    I did already pm you suggesting you get the Prankster's Guide to defending a PE court case.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Woods and trees and all that
    • 4consumerrights
    • By 4consumerrights 1st Feb 14, 9:44 PM
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    "The lpc person did not hand out the contract. The judge said it should have been supplied and the lpc person said that there is a "vendetta" against parking eye on online forums and that supplying contracts breaks confidentiality laws with their clients. The judge said this was rubbish and the contract should be supplied. "
    What are 'confidentiality laws'?
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    I think the LPC lawyer is getting confused with law and clause 16 of the standard terms and conditions imposed by Parking Eye on their clients -wherein they bind each party not to disclose information for a period of five years after termination of a contract.

    This is no doubt a desperate attempt by Parking Eye yet again to find excuses that demonstrate that they have no locus standi to bring about action in their own name.


    It's a shame that they feel there's a vendetta against them, especially when they have no regarding for the Equality Act, their parking charges are a penalty as they do not represent a genuine pre-estimate of loss. They have no legal or proprietary interest in any of the car parks they claim to manage and of course not forgetting that they can force their clients to alter the terms and conditions if they want to penalise more drivers. Added to that the dodgy witness statements produced at court, entrapment by ill-placed signage and faulty ticket machines, ANPR systems that are not fit for purpose and all the breaches of planning consent.......etc.

    It is only too right that these issues are legally challenged where appropriate

    I an sure that Parking Prankster could equally say he feels that Parking Eye have a vendettta against him for their pathetic attempts at legal action.

    By the way all these people are still on Linkein

    Shona Hegarty - Operations coordinator
    Christopher Lee, civil engineering manager

    Bryan Malcolm, sales manager

    James Diss, UK commercial manager

    Dominic Dawson, research and development specialist

    Zoe Staziker, account manager

    Wesley Button, sales manager

    Rachel L, head of legal services (interesting that she lists her employer as "a car park operator")


    and who is Jonathan Langham - no-one has ever seen him!
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