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Old 18-08-2013, 6:24 PM
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Hi all

Just to warn you I have been receiving missed calls from an 070 number (not sure if I'm allowed to post the full number on here - if I am I will)

When you ring back - It rings (or it seems that it does anyway) but connects immediately (I assume it connects to another phone). it's cost me 77p so far. It is a trivial amount, but as you can imagine if they scam a few hundred people a week then it adds up.

I've registered a complaint with www.phonepayplus.org - if anyone else suffers from this, there's a link for you

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Old 18-08-2013, 7:16 PM
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How has an incoming missed call cost you 77p?

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Old 18-08-2013, 7:34 PM
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Do you mean that seeing you had a missed called you then rung the number to see who it was ?
Owing on CC 00.00

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Old 18-08-2013, 7:35 PM
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How has an incoming missed call cost you 77p?
I called it back thinking it was a mobile, did a google search after making 3 calls ( like a big twit ) and found out about how they charge for calls

It connects straight away even though the phone line rings
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Old 18-08-2013, 7:38 PM
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If you mean you rang back the number because it was a missed call, then the responsibility for the cost is squarely yours.

There is no revenue sharing on 070 numbers, and I use them for firms to call me should they demand a phone number. If they want to inconvenience me, they can pay for the pleasure!

Incidentally, you are charged as soon as the call is connected to the 070 network and not when it answers - pretty unfair, but you learn not to dial 070 numbers.

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If you mean you rang back the number because it was a missed call, then the responsibility for the cost is squarely yours.

There is no revenue sharing on 070 numbers, and I use them for firms to call me should they demand a phone number. If they want to inconvenience me, they can pay for the pleasure!

Incidentally, you are charged as soon as the call is connected to the 070 network and not when it answers - pretty unfair, but you learn not to dial 070 numbers.
Fair enough - just pretty annoying given that my phone is on TPS and it's probably some nob cold calling

Lesson learned, 77p +VAT is a small but handy reminder
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Do you mean that seeing you had a missed called you then rung the number to see who it was ?
Spot on, that's what I did
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just pretty annoying given that my phone is on TPS
The thing with TPS and even MPS is that a company needs to be registered with them, so they know your number/address is on the list, but if they are calling from outside the UK then you being registered means nothing.
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Old 18-08-2013, 7:55 PM
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Pretty much the only people who use 070 numbers are (most frequently Nigerian) scammers. The reason for this, is because they can be set to be diverted to any telephone number worldwide including Nigeria but appear to be a UK mobile number to those not in the know. I have yet to see any legitimate business using them. They really should be killed off now it will inconvenience scammers no end as they will have to show international numbers.
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Old 18-08-2013, 9:17 PM
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Pretty much the only people who use 070 numbers are (most frequently Nigerian) scammers. The reason for this, is because they can be set to be diverted to any telephone number worldwide including Nigeria but appear to be a UK mobile number to those not in the know. I have yet to see any legitimate business using them. They really should be killed off now it will inconvenience scammers no end as they will have to show international numbers.
The Nigerian scammers will soon find another way to extract you from your money.

Missed a phone call from an unknown number?
Google it to see who it is, or wait as if it's important they will call back.
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Old 18-08-2013, 9:43 PM
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Pretty much the only people who use 070 numbers are (most frequently Nigerian) scammers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBagN5En-N0

Only kidding
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The Nigerian scammers will soon find another way to extract you from your money.

Missed a phone call from an unknown number?
Google it to see who it is, or wait as if it's important they will call back.
Am I allowed to post the number or is that against forum rules?
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Old 18-08-2013, 11:51 PM
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Am I allowed to post the number or is that against forum rules?
you only need post the first six numbers eg 070648xxxxx

they are very often used in missed call scams where the ring is so short you have no chance of answering.

is your number on this site?
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Calls.aspx/070/m

and yes there is revenue share on these numbers although it's supposed to be illegal.
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To help you understand 070 costs

http://www.flextel.com/costs/free-calls-070.html

http://www.flextel.com/costs/price-b...tml#inbound070

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Calls to 070 Numbers from outside the UK

Due to international tariff agreements outside of Flextel's control, forwarding of 070 Numbers to the following destinations are not free when called from outside the UK. You will therefore be charged 27p/min to receive these calls. Please check your number or country of interest carefully. (Note: Other services do not exhibit this restriction, but may offer a more limited choice of free destinations). 07404, 07405, 07406, 07417, 074180, 074182, 074184, 074185, 074188, 07424, 07438, 07440, 074418, 074520, 074521, 074522, 074523, 075200, 075202, 075203, 075204, 075205, 075206, 075207, 075208, 075209, 075371, 075372, 075373, 075377, 075590, 075591, 075592, 075593, 075595, 075597, 075598, 075599, 075718, 07589, 07605, 07606, 076240, 076241, 076242, 076243, 076244, 076245, 076246, 076247, 076248, 076249, 077000, 077001, 077003, 077007, 077008, 077211, 07744, 07755, 07777, 077856, 078221, 078222, 078223, 078224, 078225, 078226, 078227, 078229, 078297, 078298, 078299, 078360, 078368, 07839, 078644, 078722, 078730, 078744, 078745, 078920, 078921, 078930, 078931, 078933, 078938, 078939, 079110, 079111, 079112, 079117, 079118, 079245, 079246, 07978, 0843, 0844, 0870624, 0870911, 0871234, 0871237, 0871245, 0871315, 0871915, 0871974, 0871996,
...plus these expensive destinations abroad. Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, American-Samoa, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua-And-Barbuda, Armenia, Aruba, Austria-Corporate, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain-Viva, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium-Sharedcost, Belgium-Universal, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei-Darussalam, Burkina-Faso, Cameroon, Canada-Northwestel, Cape-Verde, Cayman-Islands, Chad, Chile, Christmas-Islands, Cocos-Islands, Colombia, Congo, Cote-Divoire, Croatia, Cyp-North-Turkcell-Mob, Cyp-North-Vodafone-Mob, Cyprus-Northern, Djibouti, Dominica, Ecuador, Egypt, El-Salvador, Equatorial-Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Faeroe-Islands, Fiji, French-Guiana, French-Polynesia, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guam, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland-Pns, Ireland-Voip, Jamaica, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia-Zone-2, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania-Personal, Macao, Macedonia, Malawi, Mali, Marshall-Islands, Martinique-Digicel-Mob, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Montserrat, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Netherlands-Antilles, New-Caledonia, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Northern-Mariana-Is, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Palestine, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Qatar, Reunion, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa-West, San-Marino, Saudi-Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sint-Maarten, Slovenia, Spain, Sri-Lanka, St-Kitts-And-Nevis, St-Lucia, St-Vincent, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Syria, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Togo, Trinidad-And-Tobago, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Turks-And-Caicos-Is, Uganda, Ukraine, United-Arab-Emirates, Usa-Premium, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Vietnam, Virgin-Islands-Uk, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe,
...plus these expensive mobile destinations abroad. Albania-Plus-Mobile, Andorra-Mobile, Argentina-Mobile, Australia-Mobile, Austria-Mobilkom-Mobile, Austria-One-Mobile, Austria-Other-Mobile, Austria-T-mobile-Mobile, Austria-Telering-Mobile, Bahrain-Mena-Mobile, Bahrain-Mobile, Bahrain-Viva-Mobile, Bahrain-Zain-Mobilee, Belgium-Base-Mobile, Belgium-Belgacom-m-Mobile, Belgium-Mobistar-Mobile, Belgium-Other-Mobile, Bhutan-Mobile, Bulgaria-Globul-Mobile, Costa-Rica-Telefo-Mobile, Croatia-Ht-Mobile, Croatia-Vipnet-Mobile, Czech-Ceskymobil-Mobile, Czech-Mobilkom-Mobile, Czech-Republic-Other-Mobile, Czech-T-mobile-Mobile, Denmark-Other-Mobile, Denmark-Sonofon-Mobile, Denmark-Tdc-m-Mobile, Denmark-Tele2-Mobile, Denmark-Telia-Mobile, Finland-Elisa-Corp-Mobile, Finland-Mobile, Finland-Sonera-Ltd-Mobile, France-Other-Mobile, Germany-E-plus-Mobile, Germany-O2-Mobile, Germany-T-mobile-Mobile, Germany-Vodafone-Mobile, Gibraltar-Mobile, Greece-Cosmote-Mobile, Greece-Other-Mobile, Greece-Q-telecom-Mobile, Greece-Telestet-Mobile, Greece-Vodafone-Mobile, Guadeloupe-Mobile, Hungary-Pannon-Mobile, Hungary-Vodafone-Mobile, Hungary-Westel-Mobile, Iceland-Mobile, Iceland-Vodafone-Mobile, Iraq-Mobile, Ireland-Meteor-Mobile, Ireland-O2-Mobile, Ireland-Other-Mobile, Ireland-Vodafone-Mobile, Israel-Mobile, Italy-Other-Mobile, Jamaica-Digicel-Mobile, Japan-Mobile, Jordan-Orange-Mobile, Jordan-Zain-Mobile, Latvia-Bite-Mobile, Latvia-Lmt-Mobile, Latvia-Mobile, Latvia-Radiocomms-Mobile, Latvia-Tele2-Mobi, Lebanon-Mobile, Lithuania-Mobile, Luxembourg-Mobile, Luxembourg-Vox-Mobile, Macedonia-Mobile, Malta-Other-Mobile, Malta-Vodafone-Mobile, Martinique-Mobile, Monaco-Mobile, New-Zealand-Mobile, Norway-Mobile, Norway-Netcom-Mobile, Norway-Other-Mobile, Norway-Telenor-m-Mobile, Oman-Mobile, Palestine-Mobile, Panama-Mobile, Philippines-Other-Mobile, Poland-Era-Mobile, Poland-Mobile, Poland-Other-Mobile, Poland-P4-Mobile, Portugal-Optimus-Mobile, Portugal-Other-Mobile, Portugal-Tmn-Mobile, Portugal-Vodafone-Mobile, Romania-Mobile, Russia-Vimpelcom-Mobile, San-Marino-Mobile, Slovakia-Eurotel-Mobile, Slovakia-O2-Mobile, Slovakia-Orange-Mobile, Slovakia-Other-Mobile, South-Afr-Mtn-Mobile, South-Afr-Telkom-Mobile, South-Afr-Vodacom-Mobile, South-Africa-Other-Mobile, Sweden-Comviq-Mobile, Sweden-Telia-m-Mobile, Sweden-Vodafone-Mobile, Switzerland-Bcell-Mobile, Switzerland-Orange-Mobile, Switzerland-Other-Mobile, Switzerland-Tele2-Mobile, Switzrl-Swisscom-m-Mobile, Switzrlnd-Sunrise-Mobile, Taiwan-Mobile, Turkey-Other-Mobile, Turkey-Telsim-Mobile, Turkey-Turkcell-Mobile, Ukraine-Mobile, Ukraine-Umc-Mobile-Mobile, Ukrne-Kyivstar-Mob-Mobile, Uruguay-Mobile, Uzbekistan-Mobile, Zambia-Mobile,
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Old 19-08-2013, 12:12 AM
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I think that cost refers to the cost for the person whose number it is rather than the person calling it. Plus it is only if it is called from abroad.
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I think that cost refers to the cost for the person whose number it is rather than the person calling it. Plus it is only if it is called from abroad.
WRONG

1st link refers if you are in the UK

http://www.flextel.com/costs/free-calls-070.html

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070 personal numbers can be routed to the following international destinations and mobiles, completely free of charge, but for calls originating in the UK only. For calls to 070 Numbers originating from outside the UK there may be a charge,

also the prices i stated clearly states

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You will therefore be charged 27p/min to receive these calls.
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Old 19-08-2013, 11:47 AM
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you only need post the first six numbers eg 070648xxxxx

they are very often used in missed call scams where the ring is so short you have no chance of answering.

is your number on this site?
http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Calls.aspx/070/m

and yes there is revenue share on these numbers although it's supposed to be illegal.
070 0510 xxxx

It called today and when I answered it hung up
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1RT Group Ltd aka 1st Rate Telecom Ltd now NUMBERGROUP

Icstis (now PhonepayPlus) have issued numerous sham fines and pointless warnings.
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24 June 2005
Information provider N/A
Service provider Flynn Productions Ltd
Information provider location N/A
Service provider location British Virgin Islands
Telephone network 1st Rate Telecom Ltd
Service type Fax service
Cost 1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 268
Source of complaint Public
Fine 8000
Sanction A 6 month bar on this service (including all numbers on which it operates) and all 'fax' type services wef 9 May 2005

21 September 2005
Information provider N/A
Service provider Auction Advert
Information provider location N/A
Service provider location New York
Telephone network 1st Rate Telecom Ltd
Service type Fax service
Cost 1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 279
Source of complaint Public
Fine 25000
Sanction 12 months access bar on all service promoted by fax or requiring a reply by fax

19 December 2006
Information provider Spinal Perfection
Service provider 1RT Group Ltd
Information provider location N/A
Service provider location Manchester
Telephone network 1RT Group Limited
Service type Fax service
Cost 1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 8
Source of complaint Public
Fine 3500
Sanction 6-month bar on access to any fax service, Formal reprimand

19 December 2006
Information provider Pro Win
Service provider 1RT Group Ltd
Information provider location N/A
Service provider location Manchester
Telephone network 1RT Group Limited
Service type Fax service
Cost 1.50 per minute
Number of complaints 6
Source of complaint Public
Fine 2250
Sanction 6-month bar on access for any fax service, Formal reprimand

09 October 2006
Information provider N/A
Service provider 1RT Group Ltd
Information provider location N/A
Service provider location London
Telephone network 1RT Group Limited
Service type Information service
Cost 50p per call
Number of complaints 31
Source of complaint Public
Fine 15000
Sanction 2-year bar on service and provision of any missed call promotion until the service complies with the ICSTIS Code of Practice (whichever is longer), Formal reprimand
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14 January 2006
Don't be a victim in the numbers racket

I received an unsolicited fax from The Fax Back Directory saying my number has been "sold" to them by Auction Adverts of New York and that it will be listed to receive adverts unless I fax back on a number starting 07005.

What is this company and what is the best course of action?
PH, Yorkshire

Fax Back Directory and Auction Adverts of White Plains, New York State, are one and the same.

Auction Adverts is run by Geoff Evans who was fined 25,000 last summer by UK premium rate phone regulator Icstis. He was barred from premium rate (09) access and barred from faxback services. His lines were supplied by First Rate Telecom, run by Jody Rhodes, also fined and barred.

But that was 09 and Icstis. Now Evans has migrated to 07 - high cost "personal numbers" where rules such as cost per minute and duration of call do not apply. Telecom regulator Ofcom, which polices 07, says "revenue sharing" (splitting cash for calls between content and line providers) is banned. But some transgress - how else could 07 make money?

If you fax back, you could find, according to Lincolnshire trading standards, a super slow and pricey line that takes up to 30 minutes per sheet.

So until Ofcom acts, you'll have to put up with Evans' junk faxes. But that's better than responding.
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Notice served on 1RT Group Ltd (“1RT”) by the Office
of Communications (“Ofcom”)
Issue date:
18 August 2006

Determination made by Ofcom
2. Ofcom hereby determines that there are reasonable grounds for believing that 1RT Group Limited (‘1RT’) has contravened section 128 of the Act. Specifically:
(a) 1RT has sent facsimile messages containing marketing material to telephone numbers registered with the Facsimile Preference Service (‘FPS’) without the explicit consent of the users of those telephone numbers, thereby causing them to suffer annoyance, inconvenience and/or anxiety.
(b) The equipment used by 1RT to receive facsimile messages has been set and/or operated so as to prolong the length of the fax-back calls unnecessarily. As a result of this, the senders of return facsimiles to 1RT (a return facsimile is stated to be required by 1RT in many of its facsimile messages for it to stop sending unsolicited facsimile messages) have incurred higher charges for sending the facsimiles (part of the revenue from which is received by 1RT), thereby causing them annoyance, inconvenience and/or anxiety.
3. The reasons for Ofcom’s determination are set out in the explanatory statement accompanying this Notification. In giving this notification, Ofcom has had regard to its statement of general policy on the exercise of its powers under section 128 of the Act.
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Determination made by Ofcom

(a) 1RT has misused allocated telephone numbers in the 07005 1xx xxx and 07059 1xx xxx ranges allocated to it by Ofcom, by acting as both the end user of those numbers as well as the range holder.
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5.45 Although Ofcom recognises that the numbers used by 1RT are not premium rate numbers and that 1RT does not appear to be sharing revenue with the end users of the 070 numbers, Ofcom considers that the misuse outlined in the policy statement nevertheless applies. The cost of calling the 070 numbers used by 1RT is substantially higher than normal call costs and 1RT appears to be both end user and range holder of the numbers, thereby effectively sharing revenue with itself.
latest complaints about jody's 070051 numbers.
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so why is it still being allowed....how much are the Networks pocketing from these never ending frauds?

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latest complaints about jody's 070051 numbers.

so why is it still being allowed....how much are the Networks pocketing from these never ending frauds?
So in summary - should I write to the firm managing the 070 number to complain and if I get no response report them to OFCOM
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So in summary - should I write to the firm managing the 070 number to complain and if I get no response report them to OFCOM
well if they are not going to take notice of PhonepayPlus then if you write, what makes you think they will take notice of you.
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