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    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 7th Jan 13, 5:36 PM
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    Solar ... In the news
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    • 7th Jan 13, 5:36 PM
    Solar ... In the news 7th Jan 13 at 5:36 PM
    Hi All

    Thought it was about time we had a thread specifically to discuss relevant press articles relating to solar pv & thermal ..... so here goes ...

    Z
    Last edited by zeupater; 07-01-2013 at 5:48 PM.
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 12th Sep 17, 1:39 PM
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    Isn't this blatant trolling? You can put us all on ignore you know.

    Edit: I'll delete this post in 24hrs to reduce disruption since that would appear the sole purpose of your posts on the G&E board.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Whoops, I keep forgetting you control the G&E board.
    • michaels
    • By michaels 12th Sep 17, 4:24 PM
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    Sorry to pull this thread off-topic, but do you know what happens in terms of battery ownership in a second hand leaf?
    Originally posted by lstar337

    Vast majority of leafs are bought with the battery included rather than as a separate rental as happens with the Renault Zoe.

    For the few that are battery rented a second owner either has to pay the battery lease or can buy the battery from nissan for a cost of 5k less 10% for each year old the car is.

    Generally the dealers all buy the battery if they take in a leaf that is battery rental and sell the car as battery owned as selling the battery rental ones second hand is difficult.
    Cool heads and compromise
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 12th Sep 17, 4:55 PM
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    Isn't this blatant trolling and abuse? You can put us all on ignore you know.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Your definition of trolling is anyone who disagrees with you; or enters your domain. - and not only on this forum!

    I merely pointed out - not to you - that this is a solar thread and not wind power. You have no need to post such silly remarks, but you cannot help yourself.

    I have no need to ignore anybody's posts,(I note you speak for all of us) I quite like reading some of them. However if my input infuriates you, simply ignore my posts.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 13th Sep 17, 7:06 PM
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    "Foreign" News
    I've mentioned (somewhere) the idea of shipping sunlight from Australia to Japan, well now it's being suggested as an export market for India too:

    How India Can Export Sunshine Around The World

    Solar energy is a free source of renewable energy that is sustainable and totally inexhaustible. It is also non-polluting and does not emit any greenhouse gases while producing electricity. Most people are aware of solar photovoltaics that generate electricity and solar panels that produce hot water. Now experts have developed techniques to convert sunlight into “Solar Fuels.”

    The process to create “Solar Fuels” essentially involves exposing water molecules to sunlight to separate hydrogen and oxygen in water and then combining the hydrogen with carbon dioxide to create liquid fuels. The generated hydrogen can also be condensed under pressure at very low temperatures into a liquid hydrocarbon Fuels (LH2), simple hydrogen gas, metal hydride, or conversion to methanol.

    Another option is to combine the hydrogen with nitrogen to make ammonia. It is a technique that is well-established, and has been done on an industrial scale for nearly a century. Ammonia can be compressed into a liquid at much more moderate temperatures, and is relatively easy to transport.

    And from the other side of the pond:

    US Energy Dept. Trolls Trump With Yuuuuuge Solar Energy Announcement Promoting Obama’s SunShot Initiative

    Trump Or Not, The Obama SunShot Initiative Lives On

    The Energy Department certainly was not trying to slip the new announcement past the censors. They made a big deal out of it, unveiling the news on Tuesday to coordinate with the big Solar Power International conference in Las Vegas.

    The gist of it is that, according to the agency’s figures, last month the average price of utility scale solar power fell to 6 cents per kilowatt-hour, which is the 2020 goal set by Obama for the SunShot Initiative.

    Winning!
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

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    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 13th Sep 17, 7:29 PM
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    Your definition of trolling is anyone who disagrees with you; or enters your domain. - and not only on this forum!

    I merely pointed out - not to you - that this is a solar thread and not wind power. You have no need to post such silly remarks, but you cannot help yourself.

    I have no need to ignore anybody's posts,(I note you speak for all of us) I quite like reading some of them. However if my input infuriates you, simply ignore my posts.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Cardew ...

    You really must stop trolling now ... the irrelevance of your contributions is making you look totally ridiculous , as is the 'unexpected' return of the GC shadow ...

    Thanking you in anticipation of your kind consideration of others.
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 14th Sep 17, 11:12 AM
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    just for fun, i thought i'd post a statement that my guardian troll posted about 20 to 30 times throughout july, to try to mislead folk with out of date information:-

    This is the Gov't prediction for 2030.
    Onshore wind to be in the range £45-72/MWh
    Offshore wind will be in the range £85-109/MWh
    For solar they predict £59-73/MW,
    Nuclear will be £69-99/MWh.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    Just a small news update, my Guardian troll repeated the above outdated government assessment on Sunday, stayed very quiet on Monday(?) then on Tuesday posted this:

    This is the Gov't prediction for 2030.
    Onshore wind to be in the range £45-72/MWh
    For solar they predict £59-73/MW,
    Nuclear will be £69-99/MWh.
    .... can you spot the difference?

    But more importantly, he's been fulling the comments with more anti-RE spin, and loads of anti tidal garbage now, quoting the Swansea tidal lagoon costs whilst failing to mention the far cheaper costs for the rest of the schemes.

    I say this is important because for a year he's been repeatedly claiming to support renewables '100%', but this week hasn't made such a fake claim ....... so I may have to stop calling him a troll now - he's still spreading the same garbage and fake anti-RE spin as before (no law against being stupid) but may now have come out from under his bridge and reveled himself to not be '100%' in support of renewables.

    One less troll can only be a good thing.

    Only mentioning this to complete the story and to show how the constant progress of renewables will defeat all silly people eventually, and in fairness I have been warning this guy all year that maintaining his 'position' would be very difficult post September CfD results, but I don't think he believed I knew what I was talking about.

    Hopefully PV and wind are now too far ahead to still be attacked, and this is yet another tipping point that in the real world (not my silly argument world with anti-RE chappies) will help to accelerate rollout and progress. 2017 really has been a significant year all over the World.

    RE - gotta love it.
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    • michaels
    • By michaels 14th Sep 17, 5:32 PM
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    I've mentioned (somewhere) the idea of shipping sunlight from Australia to Japan, well now it's being suggested as an export market for India too:

    How India Can Export Sunshine Around The World
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    I'm thinking the gulf states already have infrastructure to ship liquefied gases, have an abundance of sunshine that falls onto land with little or no alternative use and are likely to be looking for a replacement to the export of extracted hydrocarbons to support their economies.

    Surely that can be made to work....
    Cool heads and compromise
    • Nicolai Grenovski
    • By Nicolai Grenovski 14th Sep 17, 7:08 PM
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    Just a small news update, my Guardian troll repeated the above outdated government assessment on Sunday, stayed very quiet on Monday(?) then on Tuesday posted this: “This is the Gov't prediction for 2030.
    Onshore wind to be in the range £45-72/MWh
    For solar they predict £59-73/MW,
    Nuclear will be £69-99/MWh.
    ” .... can you spot the difference?
    But more importantly, he's been fulling the comments with more anti-RE spin, and loads of anti tidal garbage now, quoting the Swansea tidal lagoon costs whilst failing to mention the far cheaper costs for the rest of the schemes.
    I say this is important because for a year he's been repeatedly claiming to support renewables '100%', but this week hasn't made such a fake claim ....... so I may have to stop calling him a troll now - he's still spreading the same garbage and fake anti-RE spin as before (no law against being stupid) but may now have come out from under his bridge and reveled himself to not be '100%' in support of renewables.
    One less troll can only be a good thing.
    Only mentioning this to complete the story and to show how the constant progress of renewables will defeat all silly people eventually, and in fairness I have been warning this guy all year that maintaining his 'position' would be very difficult post September CfD results, but I don't think he believed I knew what I was talking about.

    Hopefully PV and wind are now too far ahead to still be attacked, and this is yet another tipping point that in the real world (not my silly argument world with anti-RE chappies) will help to accelerate rollout and progress. 2017 really has been a significant year all over the World.

    RE - gotta love it.
    Is that truly "news" or "important" solar news Martyn?
    It sounds more like a stalking report..

    Either way, I think you should take it elsewhere and write up your you guardian's movements in private. .
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 14th Sep 17, 9:33 PM
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    ... Eek! ... Oh look, as one profile gives trolling a rest for a while the alter-ego another mysteriously returns from the wilderness ... just like Mr Benn - "as if by magic, the shopkeeper appeared!" ... must be telepathy ..

    Anyway, in the news ....

    The U.S. government’s premier renewable energy lab has found a 30% fall in utility-scale solar costs year-over-year, leading to levelized costs of electricity competitive with combined cycle gas generation.
    pv-magazine-usa

    30% fall in solar in the USA competing in price with US new build gas, 50% fall in offshore wind bids in the UK competing in price with UK new build gas ... this week is certainly racking up the good news ... looks like the momentum ball is rolling faster than many had predicted ...

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 14th Sep 17, 10:13 PM
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    ... Eek! ... Oh look, as one profile gives trolling a rest for a while the alter-ego another mysteriously returns from the wilderness ... just like Mr Benn - "as if by magic, the shopkeeper appeared!" ... must be telepathy ..


    Z
    Originally posted by zeupater
    What a sad post!
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 15th Sep 17, 6:47 AM
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    30% fall in solar in the USA competing in price with US new build gas, 50% fall in offshore wind bids in the UK competing in price with UK new build gas ... this week is certainly racking up the good news ... looks like the momentum ball is rolling faster than many had predicted ...

    HTH
    Z
    Originally posted by zeupater
    Yes, as we've said before, 2017 seems to have proven the economics of RE. Though to be fair that was already obvious from the building evidence and well established cost curves, but for some doubt remained till they crossed the finishing line ..... regardless of their growing lead.

    I find the anti-RE and full RE trolling fascinating, it seems to have peaked this last year as nuclear became unviable, or appears to be behind RE and falling. This seems to have led to a growing volume of ever more desperate spin, akin I suppose to the drowning man clutching at straws analogy.

    I think I'll stick my neck out now and say that it's over, any spin/trolling from now on will be too obvious and too desperate for anyone with an IQ over 15 to take seriously.

    It's a shame (almost) that nuclear can't be part of the solution going forward, since the more varied the energy mix the better, but economics are hard to ignore, and we do need to think about the costs of nuclear and how much it would push up the bills for pensioners living in all electric flats.

    Here's to a RE heavy and anti-RE spin light future on the G&E board.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

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    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 15th Sep 17, 6:59 AM
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    I'm thinking the gulf states already have infrastructure to ship liquefied gases, have an abundance of sunshine that falls onto land with little or no alternative use and are likely to be looking for a replacement to the export of extracted hydrocarbons to support their economies.

    Surely that can be made to work....
    Originally posted by michaels
    That's my thinking too, but I guess it all comes down to transportation and profit margin - since we can do this ourselves in the UK, only we'll get half the generation, so would the extra costs of shipping it in work out cheaper, I've no idea.

    The other reason for doing it ourselves is that we could rollout overcapacity of PV, use it all in the bottom 6 months, and store the excess as hydrogen in the better 6 months.

    The problem for the sunnier countries is that regardless of solar levels around the world, PV itself is getting so cheap that just installing more to make up the difference may be cheaper.

    TBF I have no way of knowing how this would all stack up, and what options are more viable, just spitballing at this point, till some sun rich country gives it a shot and we get an idea on the comparable economics. Step one I suppose is can generation - hydrogen - shipping - leccy be cheaper than gas with an appropriate carbon tax. If it is, then that could change things significantly as sunlight/H2 might be competing against LNG rather than against leccy, and as we are already shipping significant amounts of LNG around, that market already exists, and the H2 can be used to produce methane for the gas grid if necessary.
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 15th Sep 17, 8:30 AM
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    Cardew

    I find the anti-RE and full RE trolling fascinating, it seems to have peaked this last year as nuclear became unviable, or appears to be behind RE and falling. This seems to have led to a growing volume of ever more desperate spin, akin I suppose to the drowning man clutching at straws analogy.

    I think I'll stick my neck out now and say that it's over, any spin/trolling from now on will be too obvious and too desperate for anyone with an IQ over 15 to take seriously.

    Here's to a RE heavy and anti-RE spin light future on the G&E board.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    That post is both sad, childish and embarrassing.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 15th Sep 17, 10:24 AM
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    That post is both sad, childish and embarrassing.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Yes. I may well sound like a sad embarrassed child when predicting an end to anti-RE spin on here, but I feel that a level of child-like optimism is now warranted. So will hope for the best.

    After all, why would anyone in their right mind want to spoil the enjoyment of others in discussing RE progress, especially if the negativity requires fact denying spin?
    Mart. Cardiff. 5.58 kWp PV systems (3.58 ESE & 2.0 WNW)

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    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 15th Sep 17, 10:29 AM
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    That post is both sad, childish and embarrassing.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Then feel free to be embarrassed .... after years of posting against renewable energy based on cost and the effect of subsidy on the vulnerable in society, it seems that the renewables sector has risen from a mere concept to one which is not only starting to compete with long-term highly subsidised generating sources, but also knocking on the door of cheaper carbon based sources too, all this achieved within little more than a decade ... in not recognising the benefits of the rapid rise in the various technologies, embarrassment would be an obvious outcome ...
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • zeupater
    • By zeupater 15th Sep 17, 10:39 AM
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    I'm thinking the gulf states already have infrastructure to ship liquefied gases, have an abundance of sunshine that falls onto land with little or no alternative use and are likely to be looking for a replacement to the export of extracted hydrocarbons to support their economies.

    Surely that can be made to work....
    Originally posted by michaels
    Hi

    There has already been much talk about gulf states starting to invest oil-wealth into rapidly decarbonising and industrialising (Aluminium etc) their own economies in anticipation of reducing fossil-fuel demand. Have a look at this document (pdf) ...

    SASIA-CountryFocusReport-SP.pdf


    ... quite interesting! ...

    HTH
    Z
    "We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 15th Sep 17, 4:52 PM
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    Then feel free to be embarrassed .... after years of posting against renewable energy based on cost and the effect of subsidy on the vulnerable in society,
    Originally posted by zeupater
    Ah yes, thanks for reminding me! I'm not complaining about my lot in life and my pension of just over a grand a month, especially as I've been told I'm one of the rich being subsidised, although I expect he'd consider that a laughable income for himself.

    Martyn is obviously an enthusiast, and I far prefer enthusiasts than carping miserabilists in life. So I might not be interested at all in cars but I'll express admiration to some enthusiast who has just restored an old one or is really enthusiastic about his new one. Nor do I go on motoring forums to start criticising the cars or the ICE. But I find some people incredibly tiresome, and the poster we are discussing is a case in point: they make no real contribution to this forum, look at his last few posts, they're fairly typical in their brevity, lack of content and negativity.
    • Nicolai Grenovski
    • By Nicolai Grenovski 19th Sep 17, 1:35 PM
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    . Nor do I go on motoring forums to start criticising the cars or the ICE. But I find some people incredibly tiresome, and the poster we are discussing is a case in point: they make no real contribution to this forum, look at his last few posts, they're fairly typical in their brevity, lack of content and negativity.
    An interesting complaint - I came tothis forum because of the title, 'Solar News'
    I started a conversation on solar and the reply was "because Hinkley point" I again attempted to start a conversation on solar - the response was "because Hinkley point" . following which Martyn the "enthusiast" started complaining about his "guardian troll" with the nearest pass to an on topic comment, a bizarre claim that solar works best if you don't point it where the sun is most of the time.
    I pointed out why this is incorrect andI was then attacked (with your support) for not joining up with the criticism of Hinkley point - which you characterise as "negativity"
    Whenever I attempt to drag the conversation back to a solar topic I get more of the same.

    From my perspective the forum is incorrectly titled.
    • Martyn1981
    • By Martyn1981 20th Sep 17, 8:16 AM
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    LG now offering 360Wp panels. One small point, these are 1,700mm tall rather than the more common 1,600mm. But still a massive increase on the 225Wp, 235Wp, 250Wp panels from 5 to 7 years ago.

    LGs Brings New High-Efficiency Residential Solar Panels To SPI For Reveal
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    • NigeWick
    • By NigeWick 20th Sep 17, 9:17 AM
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    LG now offering 360Wp panels. One small point, these are 1,700mm tall rather than the more common 1,600mm. But still a massive increase on the 225Wp, 235Wp, 250Wp panels from 5 to 7 years ago.
    Originally posted by Martyn1981
    It's like Wagon Wheels getting smaller but costing the same.
    The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.
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