Main site > MoneySavingExpert.com Forums > Work & Benefits > Benefits & Tax Credits > ESA back pay after success at Tribunal (Page 1)

IMPORTANT! This is MoneySavingExpert's open forum - anyone can post

Please exercise caution & report any spam, illegal, offensive, racist, libellous post to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com

  • Be nice to all MoneySavers
  • All the best tips go in the MoneySavingExpert weekly email

    Plus all the new guides, deals & loopholes

  • No spam/referral links
or Login with Facebook
ESA back pay after success at Tribunal
Reply
Views: 4,387
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
# 1
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 9:59 AM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default ESA back pay after success at Tribunal

Hello

Just wondering what the rules are regards ESA back pay.

I have seen some comments that conflict. Some say its after 14 weeks some say its from the date of the WCA.

Can anyone please provide clarity... thanks
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 2
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 11:49 AM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

And what is the process of doing so. Do I need to wait for the Tribunal to inform the DWP? If so How long usually does that take on average? Is it just a simple phone call to the DWP to claim back pay, or do I need to complete forms?

I initially claimed ESA back in July 2011, prior to that I was on JSA. My ESA had being Contribution Based for the first 365 days, does this have a bearing on back pay at all?

Any help would be great, thanks.
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 3
Muttleythefrog
Old 02-11-2012, 1:12 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Tyne & Wear
Posts: 6,035
Default

If this is a new claim for ESA back in July 2011 then the monies will be backdated to beginning week 14 (as new claims have a 13 week assessment phase). Had this instead been a transferred claim (such as from IB) or an ESA reassessment then the backdating will be done to when your money was affected by the decision you disagreed with.

The tribunal will have sent the decision to the DWP. That happens very quickly. The DWP however will take some time to adminsitrate the decision. When they do they'll resolve the monies... alter your payments and backdate. You should not need to do anything... but this could take months... so I repeat my advice regarding sicknotes that I did in private. Whether contrib or IR doesn't really matter suffice for the issues of related payments... premiums for example that may be payable only for income related.
"Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
Muttleythefrog is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to Muttleythefrog For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 4
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 1:34 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Hi Muttley

Thanks Muttley. Good to note that I don't have to contact them.

What is the Support Group component, its about 34.00 right?

Also I have heard about something call Enhanced Disability Premium, what it this and could it apply to me?

Also have a look at my Decision Notice below, it is Support Group isn't it? It reads:

1. The appeal is allowed.

2. The decision made on xxxx is set aside.

3. Mr xxx is entitled to Employment and Support allowance (ESA) with the support component.

4. In applying the Work Capability Assessment 15 points were scored from the activities and descriptors in Schedule 2 of the ESA Regulations 2008 made up as follows: 16(a)

5. The following activity and descriptor from Schedule 3 of the ESA Regulations 2008 applied: 13

6. The Tribunal recommends that the Department reassess within 24 months. The Tribunal received cogent oral evidence in relation to mental factors.

Thanks
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 5
Muttleythefrog
Old 02-11-2012, 4:52 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Tyne & Wear
Posts: 6,035
Default

If you're entitled to income related ESA and get ESA support group (true here) or DLA HRC then the DWP should automatically add it as long as you meet the other minor criteria. It's not a lot of money... as compared to say the severe disability premium which you can get if you meet the conditions and get DLA MRC or DLA HRC. The SDP hneeds to be applied for... IS10 form I think from memory... refer http://www.nhs.uk/CarersDirect/money...-premiums.aspx

The decision... this replaces the decision made on date xxxx.

WRAG descriptor 16a was found to apply "Engagement in social contact is always precluded due to difficulty relating to others or significant distress experienced by the individual." As it scores 15 points it qualifies you for the WRAG.

This discriptor also happens to be a Support group descriptor... the 13th. Some of the 15 point scoring WRAG descriptors also happen to be Support group descriptors. You are found to meet criteria for Support group therefore and that is where you should be placed.

The 24 months is a recommendation. The DWP I understand do not have to agree with that..so next reassessment could come at any time.
"Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack

Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 02-11-2012 at 4:54 PM.
Muttleythefrog is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to Muttleythefrog For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 6
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 5:20 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Thanks Muttley

Oh I see... other minor criteria, which would be? Additionally is the EDP back dated too?

I don't think SDP would apply thought as I am socially isolated, therefore a carer (friend or family) does not apply, unless there is another way. Or perhaps I misunderstand this.

When you say should be placed in S.G are you saying the DWP could elect my placement into WRAG. More so can the DWP challenge the Tribunal in any way?

Latterly, the 24 months is a recommendation. So should I be prepared to receive another ESA50 in the near future?

And yes I am ESA (IR) is of July this year.

Last edited by sja75; 02-11-2012 at 6:09 PM.
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 7
Muttleythefrog
Old 02-11-2012, 6:15 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Tyne & Wear
Posts: 6,035
Default

I haven't the time right now to deal with the minor criteria regarding the premiums.. look them up perhaps...although be aware that regarding EDP some official sites fail to reference the IR ESA S.Gp qualification. It would be backdated yes. Check the criteria for SDP... you may qualify... and if you think you do.. ask DWP for IS10 form saying you think you qualify... I can't recall your DLA situationwhich will be key....MRC or HRC necessary. You don't need a carer to qualify.

And no... the DWP cannot elect to stick you in WRAG. You've been found to meet criteria for S.G. They have a choice to accept that or appeal on an error in law to get the tribunal struck out. That latter option is rarely exercised... and would only work if indeed a judge decided an error in law was made. So before you get carried away... assume it will not happen.

You could indeed receive an ESA50 i nnear future. Many claimants report after their lengthy but successful wait for appeal to soon after be reassessed. No guarantees.
"Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
Muttleythefrog is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to Muttleythefrog For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 8
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 6:25 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Thank you Muttley

You have being so helpful throughout this process, have a pleasant evening.
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to sja75 For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 9
epitome
Old 02-11-2012, 6:58 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,209
Default

Your tribunal should inform the DWP but DWP take up to a week to process incoming post (so that it appears as received in notes), so whilst you may have your letter the DWP may not have processed theirs...and that assumes they do get one from tribunal. Many times the DWP for whatever reason do not get the tribunal letter for 2 weeks or more - if ever. In these situations, you can send the DWP your letter or have it emailed from a Jobcentre to the BC. Once the BC have the letter as received they have to process it to a DM to authorise the change of award and calculate the arrears. This is usually done within a further week.

As Muttley says:
If a new claim the arrears are backdated to the 92nd day of the claim.
If an IB migration or a previous WRAG/SG award the arrears are to the start of the appeal period.

Conts or IR makes no difference, there will be arrears for both.

Whilst technically you no longer have to supply sick notes. Until someone has updated the computer with your new entitlement, the computer will still require sick notes to issue your forthcoming payments....and they will only update the computer once they have seen the evidence.
no sick note or no update to set sick note requirement to nil = no money

I recommend you phone ESA to ask if they are aware of the appeal win yet. If not (depending on how desperate you are for the increased award) you can ask them for a jobcentre appointment to email your letter to them.

If they are aware, give them a week from the date they became aware and then ask for call back to chase on when your award will be updated.

The arrears are different kettle of fish, sometimes these are done at the same time as the increased award, and sometimes they will be dealt with seperately and have a slightly longer turn-around to issue the arrears. Also the arrears could be witheld pending a check on any previous overpayments. Overpayments will be checked by Debt Management ...which is a DWP dept you can look for on google, if you get a letter saying your arrears are witheld for an overpayment check ......you can contact debt management yourself to confirm if there are any overpayments.

This is the site I use to check for eligibility for disability premiums
http://www.nhs.uk/CarersDirect/money...-how-much.aspx
and for the premiums you click on "premiums" at the bottom

Last edited by epitome; 10-11-2012 at 9:15 AM.
epitome is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to epitome For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 10
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 7:17 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Thank you Epitome, that is really good advice, thanks for taking the time to do so. Have a pleasant evening
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 11
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 7:50 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Oh I see...

So I should be eligible for at least the EDP as I am in the Support Group as a minimum with potential for SDP as I live alone.

As Muttely advised EDP is also back dated. But what would be the qualifying criteria for this aspect? I was ESA assessment rate Cont. based for a year, then transferred to IR ESA. If those back payments apply in this instance, do those payments go from week 14 or the transition date to IR ESA?

In addition is SDP applied in the same manner as EDP regards back pay. Or is it treated as 'fresh claim' after successfully completing IS10?

Many thanks
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 12
epitome
Old 02-11-2012, 7:59 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,209
Default

Don't know, but I have heard SDP is only backdated a month from date of receipt of IS10
I imagine the EDP will be backdated to atleast 92nd day, but not sure about before that.
epitome is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to epitome For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 13
sja75
Old 02-11-2012, 8:04 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Thank you Epitome for your help. It still amazes me that I went from Nil points to S.G, bizarre
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to sja75 For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 14
sja75
Old 03-11-2012, 11:21 AM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Has anyone ever used a taxi to attend Tribunal? If so how long do you wait to be refunded, on average, thanks...
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 15
benefitbaby
Old 03-11-2012, 8:29 PM
Serious MoneySaving Fan
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 1,080
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sja75 View Post
In addition is SDP applied in the same manner as EDP regards back pay. Or is it treated as 'fresh claim' after successfully completing IS10?

Many thanks
If you have:
- been entitled to income-related ESA throughout, and
- you have lived alone throughout, and
- no-one has claimed carer's allowance for you at any point, then
you should ask for the SDP to be backdated to the start of your IESA claim (the SDP is not linked to the support group only to DLA MRC or HRC).

Good luck and congratulations on winning your appeal
benefitbaby is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to benefitbaby For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 16
princessdon
Old 03-11-2012, 9:45 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 6,549
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sja75 View Post
Thank you Epitome for your help. It still amazes me that I went from Nil points to S.G, bizarre

I suspect it was on "advice" from peeps in the know on here
princessdon is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to princessdon For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 17
sja75
Old 03-11-2012, 9:49 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Correct...
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
# 18
sja75
Old 03-11-2012, 9:51 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Yes... It was. I received a full understanding of the WCA that I was previously unaware and applied it in my circumstance. Which I am grateful for.

Last edited by sja75; 03-11-2012 at 11:26 PM.
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to sja75 For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 19
Muttleythefrog
Old 03-11-2012, 9:54 PM
Fantastically Fervent MoneySaving Super Fan
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Tyne & Wear
Posts: 6,035
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sja75 View Post
Thank you Benefit Baby.

Unfortunately no, the first point you made regards IR ESA wasn't the case. I was processed as Cont. ESA from July 2011, albeit I was IR JSA prior to that claim for ESA.

I even missed out on a much needed (as a result of being Cont. ESA) CCG which I needed a year ago having moved out of a hostel. I wasn't in a position to look into that aspect, mentally, so I just accepted it. A tax rebate saved me a few months after, that saved me, and I set my new home up thankfully.

Thank you very much for your consideration, I am glad its over, well for the time being anyway.

Have a pleasant evening, regards
Do you have an underyling entitlement to Income related ESA I wonder... you live alone don't you... no other income apart from this benefit? You could always be assessed for IR ESA I understand by completion of ESA3 form if necessary. But I think it is perfectly possible to get contrib based ESA, have underlying entitlement to IR and therefore get the benefits of getting IR ESA such as premiums.. free prescriptions, dental care etc... check.
"Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack

Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 03-11-2012 at 10:01 PM.
Muttleythefrog is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to Muttleythefrog For This Useful Post: Show me >>
# 20
sja75
Old 03-11-2012, 9:57 PM
MoneySaving Stalwart
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 483
Default

Hi Muttely

I was transferred from Cont. ESA in July this year to IR ESA thereafter.
sja75 is offline
Reply With Quote Report Post
The Following User Says Thank You to sja75 For This Useful Post: Show me >>
Reply

Bookmarks
 
 




Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

 Forum Jump  

Contact Us - MoneySavingExpert.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 7:21 AM.

 Forum Jump  

Free MoneySaving Email

Top deals: Week of 20 August 2014

Get all this & more in MoneySavingExpert's weekly email full of guides, vouchers and Deals

GET THIS FREE WEEKLY EMAIL Full of deals, guides & it's spam free

Latest News & Blogs

Martin's Twitter Feed

profile

Cheap Travel Money

Find the best online rate for holiday cash with MSE's TravelMoneyMax.

Find the best online rate for your holiday cash with MoneySavingExpert's TravelMoneyMax.

TuneChecker Top Albums

  • ED SHEERANX (DELUXE EDITION)
  • VARIOUS ARTISTSNOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC! 88
  • COLLABROSTARS

MSE's Twitter Feed

profile
Always remember anyone can post on the MSE forums, so it can be very different from our opinion.
We use Skimlinks and other affiliated links in some of our boards, for some of our users.