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    zarrah
    bailiffs took my car
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 3:26 PM
    bailiffs took my car 2nd Jun 12 at 3:26 PM
    Bailiff have seized my car for unpaid parking tickets incurred by the previous owner, and the bailiffs wont release my vehicle without full payment and i just dont know what to do as i cant make the payment i have sent all the proof they have asked for but they still dont want to release the car without payment (log book,hand written receipt signed by the previous owner) they keep asking for a valid insurance from the date of purchase which i dont have, this all happen so quickly i didnt have time to insure the car, (only had the car for 2 days)
    please help thank you.
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    • HappyMJ
    • By HappyMJ 2nd Jun 12, 3:33 PM
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 3:33 PM
    Call the police and register it stolen. As it was not insured was it off road? It doesn't have to be SORN'ed you would have have a few weeks to either SORN or insure it.

    Regular savers earn 6% interest (HSBC, First Direct, M&S) Loans cost 2.9% per year (Nationwide) = FREE money.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 2nd Jun 12, 3:45 PM
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 3:45 PM
    • #3
    • 2nd Jun 12, 3:45 PM
    Bailiff have seized my car for unpaid parking tickets incurred by the previous owner, and the bailiffs wont release my vehicle without full payment and i just dont know what to do as i cant make the payment i have sent all the proof they have asked for but they still dont want to release the car without payment (log book,hand written receipt signed by the previous owner) they keep asking for a valid insurance from the date of purchase which i dont have, this all happen so quickly i didnt have time to insure the car, (only had the car for 2 days)
    please help thank you.
    Originally posted by zarrah

    Post on pepipoo quickly and you should get an answer soon:

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=60

    Or pay a tenner to register on bailiffadviceonline (great specialist bailiff advice given to posters before!).
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • muckybutt
    • By muckybutt 2nd Jun 12, 4:48 PM
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 4:48 PM
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 4:48 PM
    I concurr with coupon mad
    pepipoo or bailiffadviceonline
    You may click thanks if you found my advice useful
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 2nd Jun 12, 6:14 PM
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    peter_the_piper
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 6:14 PM
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 6:14 PM
    What the hell has insurance got to do with the bailiffs? You have proved your ownership, its down to then to sort out the previous owner, they just hope you will cough up instead.. Echo above re bailiffadviceonline.co.uk .
    Millies gone back to Thailand, Roll on Summer.
  • give them FA
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 8:15 PM
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    • 2nd Jun 12, 8:15 PM
    I would advise the cowboys, sorry, bailiffs, that unless your car is returned immediately, you will hire one and send them the bill to be enforced by action in the County Court if required. It should be obvious to them you are not resposible given that the warrant will be in the previous owner's name.
  • bob_32
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    • 3rd Jun 12, 12:17 AM
    bailiffadviceonline
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    • 3rd Jun 12, 12:17 AM
    I notice in this website that they have some confusion over the PCN accronym.

    STEP BY STEP GUIDE IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED A BAILIFF'S NOTICE FOR A PCN.

    A Bailiff cannot enforce an unpaid Parking Charge Notice unless his company is in receipt of a valid Warrant of Execution. The Traffic Enforcement Centre will give authority the the council for them to issue a warrant and if the bailiff company wishes, they can send you a letter to advise that payment is required. This is not a requirement but, if a letter is sent they can charge a letter fee of £11.20 plus vat (£13.16). If you do receive a letter then our advice would be to pay the sum requested as quickly as possible.


    I assume they mean Penalty Charge Notice?
  • give them FA
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    • 3rd Jun 12, 12:59 AM
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    • 3rd Jun 12, 12:59 AM
    Yes, a Penalty Charge Notice as issued by a Council. A lawful charge.

    Private companies often use the same acronym, but in their case it usually equates to Parking Charge Notice.

    They do this deliberately in the hope that you will confuse the two, and therefore think that it has some validity, whereas it does not and cannot be enforced.

    All part of the "impersonation of authority" scamming process!

    Not sure where you saw the above quote but it is most definitely wrong and should have read "PENALTY" not "PARKING".
  • bob_32
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    • 3rd Jun 12, 1:10 AM
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    • 3rd Jun 12, 1:10 AM
    not able to post whole links yet as I am a newbie but it was here:

    http://ww
    w.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/removalnotice-pcn.htm
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 3rd Jun 12, 6:00 AM
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    esmerobbo
    Pepipoo or bailiffadvice online is your best bet as advised, but was it a contrived purchase, or had it been levied before you bought it?
    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 3rd Jun 12, 12:21 PM
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    Tilt
    Bailiff have seized my car for unpaid parking tickets incurred by the previous owner, and the bailiffs wont release my vehicle without full payment and i just dont know what to do as i cant make the payment i have sent all the proof they have asked for but they still dont want to release the car without payment (log book,hand written receipt signed by the previous owner) they keep asking for a valid insurance from the date of purchase which i dont have, this all happen so quickly i didnt have time to insure the car, (only had the car for 2 days)
    please help thank you.
    Originally posted by zarrah
    Well if you were driving it without insurance, you were liable to get it seized anyway. If the old bill had of clocked you by ANPR, that's exactly what would of happend.

    I see this differently... karma.
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    My advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.
  • give them FA
    It's an aside to the query, but insurance is the one essential for a car and should all be fixed up BEFORE you drive it.....
  • taffy056
    Well if you were driving it without insurance, you were liable to get it seized anyway. If the old bill had of clocked you by ANPR, that's exactly what would of happend.

    I see this differently... karma.
    Originally posted by Tilt
    You are making an assumption here, you don't know if this person was driving the car without insurance, he could have a full comp insurance on another car and drive it third party as its insured by the seller still, or it could have been parked on the seller's driveway waiting for it to be collected.

    How else would they have known to tow the car from the person buying it, I presume they have different addresses.
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 3rd Jun 12, 12:32 PM
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    It does not say the car was on the road, let alone being driven, even if it was its of no concern to the bailiffs. Had it been the DVLA/police then it would be important but as it is (assuming not a fiddle to avoid bailiffs) they have no right to ask for insurance. It should be returned to the same place it was taken from and in the same condition it was in before they took it.
    Millies gone back to Thailand, Roll on Summer.
    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 3rd Jun 12, 12:36 PM
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    Tilt
    Well perhaps the OP can expand on the insurance issue then.
    Last edited by Tilt; 03-06-2012 at 12:38 PM.
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    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 3rd Jun 12, 12:37 PM
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    Tilt
    You are making an assumption here, you don't know if this person was driving the car without insurance, he could have a full comp insurance on another car and drive it third party as its insured by the seller still, or it could have been parked on the seller's driveway waiting for it to be collected.

    How else would they have known to tow the car from the person buying it, I presume they have different addresses.
    Originally posted by taffy056
    In know the word 'IF' is a small word, but it was in there non the less.
    Last edited by Tilt; 03-06-2012 at 12:41 PM.
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    My advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.
  • give them FA
    I do think the insurance issue is irrelevant. The OP could not drive it as an extension of his own comprehensive cover if it was his, you can only drive a car not belonging to you. Yes indeed, that is assuming it was on the road at all.

    If the car had not been levied on by the bailiffs then there was nothing to stop the owner disposing of it to prevent that happening.

    The OP can always take them to court on an interpleader to return his property.
  • vax2002
    You need to serve a NOTICE OF WARNING upon the Bailiffs, a solicitor will be able to draft the letter for £30 ish, it will warn the bailiffs and place them on notice that they have seized goods they have no lawful right to hold and lay out very clearly a list of expenses occurred daily by them doing so, this can be a hire car, taxis, bus fares, the depreciation of the vehicle and a flagrancy charge for ignoring the notice.
    Once served the Bailiffs will become liable for any costs lost through their actions and the OP is entitled to be placed in a position that does not leave them any worse than before.
    If they refuse to return the vehicle by the same way they took it, then then charges continue, its their money.
    Contact a local solicitor.
    But first makes sure the vc5 is dotted and crossed and the dates pre-date the seizure.
    • Tilt
    • By Tilt 3rd Jun 12, 1:16 PM
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    Tilt
    I'll stick to my opinions in post 11. IF the OP was driving the car without the appropriate minimum insurance cover, then as far as i'm concerned, the bailiffs have prevented further offences being committed and the possibility of some poor sod being involved in an accident with the OP.

    So sorry, but I do think the insurance is relevant.

    HOWEVER if the OP had magically managed to transport the car away from the seller and keeping it off road for those 2 days while getting the insurance sorted, then as the OP has apparently already provided sufficient proof, he/she should notify the bailiffs that they have wrongly levied on the car where the warrant has no connection with him/her and as such requires them to release it otherwise it will be considered to be stolen and reported accordingly. Perhaps the bailiffs may require to check that the car is adequately insured before releasing it.
    PLEASE NOTE
    My advice should be used as guidance only. You should always obtain face to face professional advice before taking any action.
  • give them FA
    Tilt, in no way am I condoning driving without insurance. But as regards the subject of this thread it is a side issue and there is no evidence the OP did anything wrong on that score.

    Indeed, I take Taffy's point that the car probably remained on the original owner's premises, otherwise how would the bailiffs have located it?
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