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    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 13th May 17, 9:01 AM
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    With so many winning appeals, you do wonder if there is a deliberate attempt by over subscribed schools to leave some places available for the appeal stage. Selection criteria being keen parents who are interested in education will add value to the school.
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 8th Jul 17, 7:42 AM
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    Hi there Hayley any advice for helping my grandchildren get into the schools they need to be in would be very helpful. Or anyone else lol. I haven t had time to read all the thread yet but I will.

    My son and his family have moved to a village from nearby purely really to get their three children in the schools there. Up till now they were travelling about 3 miles a day going to one school and dropping two of them off then travelling another 6 miles or so to drop another one off. Then back again in the afternoon. They both work so not always easy and it cost an awful amount of petrol .

    They have just heard they have got a place for the little one Seren whose 4 into the school but her brother Josh hadn t. Josh will be in his last year in the juniors. He does have anxiety issues ta the moment. This would obviously help him to get to the senior school there which apparently is the best in the area. They are going to appeal .

    Lastly the elder child Caitlin is 13 and will be going into the 3rd year at senior school. They haven t heard back yet about her application but as it's over subscribed might not be looking good.

    It would be ideal if all 3 could get into the local schools which are within walking distance , less travelling for everyone and less petrol.

    I would be grateful for any tips etc to help them in their appeals please. Sorry it's so long but needed to explain
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 9th Jul 17, 1:13 AM
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    Are they on the waiting lists? How close to the top of the waiting lists are they? It's quite common for families to move over the summer.

    Appeals need to concentrate on whether correct procedures have been followed. Were any special needs identified and supported with their original applications? Have any children been admitted who were lower down the priority list than your grandchildren?

    If the nearest school the local authority can offer is more than two miles away for primary and three for secondary, I believe that transport must be arranged - I'm well out of date on this now but certainly used to be the case. If you choose to send your child to a school other than the nearest available, you're on your own ...
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    • susancs
    • By susancs 9th Jul 17, 11:52 AM
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    Hi there Hayley any advice for helping my grandchildren get into the schools they need to be in would be very helpful. Or anyone else lol. I haven t had time to read all the thread yet but I will.

    My son and his family have moved to a village from nearby purely really to get their three children in the schools there. Up till now they were travelling about 3 miles a day going to one school and dropping two of them off then travelling another 6 miles or so to drop another one off. Then back again in the afternoon. They both work so not always easy and it cost an awful amount of petrol .

    They have just heard they have got a place for the little one Seren whose 4 into the school but her brother Josh hadn t. Josh will be in his last year in the juniors. He does have anxiety issues ta the moment. This would obviously help him to get to the senior school there which apparently is the best in the area. They are going to appeal .

    Lastly the elder child Caitlin is 13 and will be going into the 3rd year at senior school. They haven t heard back yet about her application but as it's over subscribed might not be looking good.

    It would be ideal if all 3 could get into the local schools which are within walking distance , less travelling for everyone and less petrol.

    I would be grateful for any tips etc to help them in their appeals please. Sorry it's so long but needed to explain
    Originally posted by emerald21
    As I understand it your youngest grandchild has been given a place at the school to start in September and your current year 5 grandchild is the one you are appealing for a place in year 6 next year. The issue with travelling a reasonable distance would not usually win an appeal or that it is a feeder school for a certain secondary school. What may help with an appeal could be a letter from specialists dealign with his mental health issues (e.g. childrens health and adolescent mental health services)involved with your grandson which states reasons why it is the only school that can meet your grandsons needs. It would not be enough to state he has anxiety. This school has to offer something no other local school can. For example a friend of mine won an appeal as a secondary school was the only one with all ground floor level classrooms and he had physical issues and he had lots of specialist support to back this up.

    As your grandson will have a sibling in the school and many schools have siblings as a high criteria he may be high up on the waiting list (make sure he is on the list).

    Your eldest grandchild will probably have to wait for a place from the waiting list.
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 9th Jul 17, 1:06 PM
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    Are they on the waiting lists? How close to the top of the waiting lists are they? It's quite common for families to move over the summer.

    Appeals need to concentrate on whether correct procedures have been followed. Were any special needs identified and supported with their original applications? Have any children been admitted who were lower down the priority list than your grandchildren?

    If the nearest school the local authority can offer is more than two miles away for primary and three for secondary, I believe that transport must be arranged - I'm well out of date on this now but certainly used to be the case. If you choose to send your child to a school other than the nearest available, you're on your own ...
    Originally posted by Savvy_Sue

    Hi thanks for replying. They have literally only just moved a week or so ago and straight away she applied online for all 3. Was told it could take up to 10 days. She heard from the infants and junior school after about 4 days. They have a space for the 4 year old so they have accepted that place for her.

    They don't know anything else yet but will find out no doubt tomorrow. I'm not sure if they added Josh s anxiety problems when she applied I ll ask her. He will be in the last year there before going on to the senior school which is the feeder school for Senior school they want him and older sister age 13 to go to.

    What I can't understand is how can they appeal if apparently there are no places left for him. The schools are practically across the road.
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 9th Jul 17, 1:17 PM
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    As I understand it your youngest grandchild has been given a place at the school to start in September and your current year 5 grandchild is the one you are appealing for a place in year 6 next year. The issue with travelling a reasonable distance would not usually win an appeal or that it is a feeder school for a certain secondary school. What may help with an appeal could be a letter from specialists dealign with his mental health issues (e.g. childrens health and adolescent mental health services)involved with your grandson which states reasons why it is the only school that can meet your grandsons needs. It would not be enough to state he has anxiety. This school has to offer something no other local school can. For example a friend of mine won an appeal as a secondary school was the only one with all ground floor level classrooms and he had physical issues and he had lots of specialist support to back this up.

    As your grandson will have a sibling in the school and many schools have siblings as a high criteria he may be high up on the waiting list (make sure he is on the list).

    Your eldest grandchild will probably have to wait for a place from the waiting list.
    Originally posted by susancs
    Hi thanks for replying too. They haven t heard yet about the eldest child so fingers crossed. I ll tell them what you have said. The school is literally 5 minutes away from where they live. He has been seen by cahms but luckily they don't think he s on the autistic spectrum etc but there s something upsetting him for one reason or another which doesn t seem normal.
    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 9th Jul 17, 1:41 PM
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    Surely if he suffers from anxiety, the best thing for him is to finish his primary school with his current year rather than having to settle into a new class where most will all know each other, and then again next year?
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 9th Jul 17, 1:59 PM
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    Surely if he suffers from anxiety, the best thing for him is to finish his primary school with his current year rather than having to settle into a new class where most will all know each other, and then again next year?
    Originally posted by FBaby
    But then he wouldn't be in the feeder school for the secondary school they want him to go to.
    • chesky
    • By chesky 9th Jul 17, 2:03 PM
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    Hi there Hayley any advice for helping my grandchildren get into the schools they need to be in would be very helpful. Or anyone else lol. I haven t had time to read all the thread yet but I will.
    Originally posted by emerald21
    It's a good job you asked others to help. Hayley, after offering her help, disappeared after a few weeks and hasn't posted on the board for over ten years.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 9th Jul 17, 2:06 PM
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    But then he wouldn't be in the feeder school for the secondary school they want him to go to.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    But that's not going to be sufficient grounds for a successful appeal.

    emerald, is there anything this school can offer to support his anxiety that no other school can? Excepting an administrative error, that's the only grounds for appeal I can see.

    They'll let you appeal when the class is full because it is your statutory right. They cannot say no without giving you the opportunity to present your case.

    (Also worth checking if being in a feeder school gives you priority for secondary. It's not a common criteria any longer.)
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 9th Jul 17, 5:16 PM
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    Surely if he suffers from anxiety, the best thing for him is to finish his primary school with his current year rather than having to settle into a new class where most will all know each other, and then again next year?
    Originally posted by FBaby
    He will finish his current year two weeks left . We are hoping for September the start of the new school year. If he starts in September he will go to the secondary school the following year with all the other kids he s got to know hopefully.
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 9th Jul 17, 5:16 PM
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    But then he wouldn't be in the feeder school for the secondary school they want him to go to.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    Exactly thank you.
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 9th Jul 17, 5:18 PM
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    It's a good job you asked others to help. Hayley, after offering her help, disappeared after a few weeks and hasn't posted on the board for over ten years.
    Originally posted by chesky

    lol I realised that after when I saw the thread begin in 2007. I was told about this thread by someone
    • emerald21
    • By emerald21 9th Jul 17, 6:01 PM
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    But that's not going to be sufficient grounds for a successful appeal.

    emerald, is there anything this school can offer to support his anxiety that no other school can? Excepting an administrative error, that's the only grounds for appeal I can see.

    They'll let you appeal when the class is full because it is your statutory right. They cannot say no without giving you the opportunity to present your case.

    (Also worth checking if being in a feeder school gives you priority for secondary. It's not a common criteria any longer.)
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    Hi. I don't know what any schools can offer for the anxiety. The main reason is because it's the local village school and as they live in the village it would be nice if he could start there in September for his last year in the junior school along with his sister.

    I believe my daughter in law was told she could appeal.

    There was never any of this mither years ago when my 3 were children

    You just went to the local school and that was that.
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 9th Jul 17, 7:36 PM
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    But then he wouldn't be in the feeder school for the secondary school they want him to go to.
    Originally posted by sheramber
    And? Wouldn't he be in catchment instead? What is the criteria for admittance from this school?

    My daughter's Secondary school admission criteria is (after looked after children)
    catchment
    feeder school
    siblings

    So someone moving into the catchment area during yr 5 but unable to get a place at the feeder primary would still be in a higher category when making an application for a yr7 place than someone at a feeder Primary but out of catchment.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 9th Jul 17, 8:48 PM
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    And? Wouldn't he be in catchment instead? What is the criteria for admittance from this school?

    My daughter's Secondary school admission criteria is (after looked after children)
    catchment
    feeder school
    siblings

    So someone moving into the catchment area during yr 5 but unable to get a place at the feeder primary would still be in a higher category when making an application for a yr7 place than someone at a feeder Primary but out of catchment.
    Originally posted by Spendless
    This can change year by year and area by area. My area has no such thing as catchment, but recently moved from feeder schools being priority to distance from school.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 9th Jul 17, 8:50 PM
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    What I can't understand is how can they appeal if apparently there are no places left for him. The schools are practically across the road.
    Class size restrictions are only for the first few years where 30 is the maximum class size. After that there is a desired admission number, but it isn't an absolute rule.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 10th Jul 17, 1:19 AM
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    What I can't understand is how can they appeal if apparently there are no places left for him.
    Originally posted by emerald21
    They'll let you appeal when the class is full because it is your statutory right. They cannot say no without giving you the opportunity to present your case.
    Originally posted by IAmWales
    And they let you appeal because sometimes they make mistakes. For example, I know one poster here found that some children had been offered places at a particular school when they were a lower priority than others who had NOT been offered places at that school. I cannot remember how the mixup occurred, or what was involved, but it had to be put right.

    It is worth getting as much information as you can about where on the waiting list you are, and what the current numbers are, and what their expectations are in relation to next year. When we appealed (many years ago) for a year 8 place, there were two of us in that situation. The school had admitted two more than their PAN (Planned Admission Number) in year 7 the year before, but let slip that two children were leaving at the end of year 7. The school were talking about stretched resources etc, but I said that if they'd managed the previous year, why not next? I have no idea if it helped, but we both got our places.

    Also I don't know if this will encourage you, but we moved over the summer holidays. I had told their schools that we were moving: perhaps I should have done something more formal, but DS1's secondary school did not seem to know that we had moved! Some of his teachers asked his friends where he was ... Obviously that freed up a space at that school!
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    • FBaby
    • By FBaby 10th Jul 17, 6:02 AM
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    But then he wouldn't be in the feeder school for the secondary school they want him to go to.
    Indeed, but then it's not about the anxiety, it's about getting into the secondary school, which I don't expect would be a valid reason to win the appeal.

    Also, if they've moved into the catchment area, wouldn't they get in anyway, even if not in the feeder school?
    • Spendless
    • By Spendless 10th Jul 17, 6:18 AM
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    And they let you appeal because sometimes they make mistakes. For example, I know one poster here found that some children had been offered places at a particular school when they were a lower priority than others who had NOT been offered places at that school. I cannot remember how the mixup occurred, or what was involved, but it had to be put right.
    Originally posted by Savvy_Sue
    Quite possibly me and it was to do with Reception places at a nearby faith school. Their criteria was siblings, worshipping at the connected church with a letter of support from the vicar, the 2 nearest villages where the school/church were, then distance.

    It was a year with a high number of kids having siblings already there, which reduced the numbers of available places to others. A lot got in on saying 'I worship at this church, I am religious etc'. When around 5 parents took it to appeal, the school admitted that those admitted under the attending church category hadn't also had a letter supporting this from the vicar, the appeal panel asked them if they hadn't done this would the children who hadn't got places been offered them, school said yes and school was told it had to accept them and make provision for a 2nd teacher for them.
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