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    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 19th Feb 12, 1:34 PM
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    Your Bangernomics successes
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    • 19th Feb 12, 1:34 PM
    Your Bangernomics successes 19th Feb 12 at 1:34 PM
    Hello my fellow cheapskates. After spending nearly three years running a car for as cheap as possible, mainly as I ran it throughout all but he darkest depths of winter on WVO/UVO (waste or used vegetable oil), in a Vauxhall Astra I have had to say good bye to the old girl as it is no longer economical to repair to get it through it’s MOT (which has now expired yesterday).

    Running my Vauxhall Astra on veg oil-
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1961265&highlight=worried+jim

    Being of limited budget but a growing fan of “Bangernomics” (old banger cars + economics) I have decided to catalogue my experiences of running a sub £1000 car and I would like you to share your experiences if you are doing the same, weather through tight-fisted choice, i.e.-
    -Why buy a new car when you can run one successfully for the equivalent of two new car finance payments.
    -Or like me because you have no choice.

    Now to begin with we need to agree on price constraints. I have gone in with a £1000 price limit even though I paid half this, if you disagree lets discuss reasons, I am all ears.

    Here is my set up-
    A Rover 600 2.0sli.
    12 months MOT
    No tax
    £495.

    4 Doors, Manual, Saloon, Petrol, Metallic Blue, MOT-02-2013. Honda engine, ABS, Alloy wheels, Folding rear seats, Lumbar support, Immobiliser, Passenger airbag, Rear armrest, Radio/Cassette, Rear headrests, Alloy wheels, 3x3 point rear seat belts, Alarm, Drivers airbag, Electric windows, Height adjustable drivers seat, Remote central locking,
    The mileage was approx 118,000, Cambelt changed @79,000, loads of history (not fsh though) all the old MOT certificates.

    The bad bits about the car are-

    Electric aerial doesn’t retract (can’t use a carwash)
    Drivers seat lumber is worn
    Paint is faded on roof and boot lid.
    Radio is missing a button and unable to pick up many stations
    Small cigarette burn in rear passenger seat
    Driver’s seat belt doesn’t retract
    Not sure if Air con is fully working (suspect needs a re gas)
    Wind noise at speed from top right of driver door
    Both wing mirrors are tatty (held together with tape and a nylon tie)

    The good bits-

    Drives very well
    All tyres have lots of tread
    All electrics work
    12 months MOT
    Goes like stink
    Better than the last car I had.


    So in a nutshell I have bought a car with a brand new MOT for the price of getting my existing Astra through it’s MOT just to face a similar if not larger bill for the same next year.
    Now there is nothing to suggest that in a years time I face the prospect of a large MOT repair bill and may have to start again with another car, hopefully not, and this is to document how far you can go with a banger.

    I have found an original Topgear review by Jeremy himself from 1993-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Lq92QTrBw

    I have had a good look around ebay and it is full of Rover parts should I need any- I currently have the wining bid on a Haynes manual so I can really get to know the car should I need to.

    I will be the first to admit that this is a gamble, no nice new car with no faults or warranty should any arise, hell, I’ve bought a car from a now defunct manufacture, how will this effect me? Now in my mind when I was a teenager in the early 90’s a banger was a Hillman Imp, Vauxhall Chevette or as in my case and my first car a Talbot Sunbeam. These were cars that if you wanted a radio (or a rear heated element on the rear screen) you had to fit one your self. Cold morning- fingers crossed, MOT time meant welding new sills. Now a banger today comes with power steering, ABS, electric windows, fuel injection and in some cases air con, so why spend £k’s?

    Top Gear guide to Buying a Banger with Quentin Wilson- From 1997
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUVmNCdf4tI&feature=related
    (You won’t be buying anything featured in this clip but it gives you the idea and you can see the difference between “old” and “modern” bangers.
    So by now you should be getting the jist of how to join in. Share you car and model any feature it may have and keep updating!

    The £495 beast-


    Tatty rear bumper-


    Poor paint condition on roof (with free seagull crap)


    Poor paint condition on boot lid-


    Tatty wing mirror-


    Missing radio button-
    Last edited by worried jim; 19-02-2012 at 2:32 PM.
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
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    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 17th Mar 17, 2:44 PM
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    £600, previous owner had this since 2005, and was a garage owner.
    needs some welding on the exhaust, and a service. 19 years old, 140k, and next year becomes a classic for insurance.

    I've still got the other also. Which is now 20 years old so goes on a £190 classic policy.

    Originally posted by markelock
    And what is it?
    • markelock
    • By markelock 17th Mar 17, 4:11 PM
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    And what is it?
    Originally posted by BeenThroughItAll
    Lexus LS400, 1998
    Remember the time he ate my goldfish? And you lied and said I never had goldfish. Then why did I have the bowl Bart? Why did I have the bowl?
    • BeenThroughItAll
    • By BeenThroughItAll 17th Mar 17, 4:14 PM
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    Lexus LS400, 1998
    Originally posted by markelock
    Ah. I assumed there was supposed to be a picture attached, but it doesn't work.
    • Frudd
    • By Frudd 20th Mar 17, 9:36 PM
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    Mine lasted 12 years, 8 years in my ownership. Only got rid when it's 2nd gearbox exploded. It already had issues with the rear wheel camber causing excessive tyre wear, wasn't worth fixing for the cost v extra tyre costs and the radiator had a minor intermittent leak, so when the GB went I figured it was probably time to scrap it.

    I looked around for a newer one, but they stopped in 2009 and phased in the Insignia. I won't buy a car that doesn't have a proper handbrake though, so I got a Mondeo.

    Vectra was a damn good car though, MUCH better built than my newer Mondeo.
    Originally posted by Strider590
    I like it, even with the slightly shoddy Vauxhall reliability. I read an article a couple of years back and at the time the Insignia had the highest % 1st year depreciation of any car. I assume that is because they are everywhere. I didnt know about the handbrake, thats them off the list for next car then!
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    • CrazyRed
    • By CrazyRed 30th Apr 17, 9:57 PM
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    Still got the Felicia, but have decided to SORN it, store it in a barn and improve it even more, prior to handing it over to my daughter in two years' time as her first car.

    Instead, I've gone and bought an ex-taxi! 2003/52 Skoda Octavia 1.9 TDi, 110bhp, Elegance. Cost me the grand total of £625, which included a full years' MOT. 209,000 miles last November.

    Bodywork is, predictably, rough and looks as though the previous owner's kids "washed" it for them with a sink scourer, and the interior, although black, really doesn't show signs of the mileage - every time I have it cleaned, it comes up extremely well and looks good.

    Now, just clicked over 220,000 miles. Apart from a service, all it's cost me is a battery, 4 glow plugs and a rear brake caliper - apart from the normal wear and tear consumable items, of course.

    Brilliant car. Never seen it below 47mpg, yet, and that's all urban mileage. Easily 60+ on a decent run (which she gets roughly once a fortnight). Running costs broadly similar to the Felicia's at around 22p a mile, all in, including insurance, VED etc.

    Boot is absolutely massive, even on the hatchbacks. Swallows the wheelchair with ease and leaves plenty of room for a week's family shopping in there as well, with spare.
    PLEASE NOTE:

    I limit myself to responding to threads where I feel I have enough knowledge to make a useful contribution. My advice (and indeed any advice on this type of forum) should only be seen as a pointer to something you may wish to investigate further. Never act on any forum advice without confirmation from an accountable source.
    • CKhalvashi
    • By CKhalvashi 26th Jun 17, 3:49 PM
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    'T' reg VW Passat 1.8 Auto estate. Paid £75, with 4 months tax and 2 months test.

    76000mi, everything worked except the rear passenger window/electric sunroof. Put 4500mi on it in 2 weeks, gave to young family who couldn't afford a car with full test (passed with flying colours)

    This was 2 months ago, and as far as I'm aware, it's still going. Tell me that wasn't cheaper than a rental for the time!
    Originally posted by CKhalvashi
    It still is going, saw it this morning. Currently on 116k with the couple it was given to
    "I kada sanjamo san, nek bude hiljadu raznih boja" (L. Stamenkovic)

    Call me Remainer or Romaniac, but not Remoaner. It's insulting and I have the right to have my voice heard too.

    I can spell, my iPad can't.
    • khcomp
    • By khcomp 27th Jun 17, 11:34 AM
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    One of my pet subjects: I bought a 2001 Suzuki Wagon R four years ago (Ebay, £333, 12 months MOT, 70,000 miles, full service history, in very, very good condition. Still on the same tyres, I've replaced one brake cylinder (£65 fitted including an MOT) , the fuel filler neck (£60, fitted myself), and three bulbs! Still on the same tyres, brakes, exhaust, I've never even changed the oil! Two MOTs passed with no advisories & no repairs needed. Now due for another MOT, will probably need two front tyres. Everything still works - CD player, central locking, electric windows, power steering, etc. The only issue I have had is that insurance seems to have drastically increased this year despite full no claims and neither myself or the current wife have had any points ever. First two years' insurance were less than £100 per year fully comp. The car is currently doing a 90 mile daily commute without a problem.
    Just bought a Renault Megane dCi 1.5 (£30 a year road tax and 65mpg) for £200 in very good condition with long MOT off Facebook - seller was asking £350 due to 'an electrical fault' which turned out to be a knackered battery! I'll let you know how it goes.
    I did also buy a Mercedes A class a couple of years ago off Ebay (no reserve, listed in the wrong category, with short MOT that had been standing for six moths but was very local to me) - I paid £87, pumped up the tyres & jump started it and drove it to an MOT which it flew through. Sold it to a friend who still has it.
    • Alexdozza
    • By Alexdozza 26th Jul 17, 12:33 PM
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    Picasso
    My banger success.

    Recent purchase 2004 picasso 1.6 petrol.
    114000 miles full service history. Serviced to an inch of its life !

    10 months mot. Not failed and mot or any advisories for 6 years. Everything replaced as and when needed and receipts to prove. 4 brand new tyres ..

    All for £150.00.
    • parking_question_chap
    • By parking_question_chap 26th Jul 17, 12:41 PM
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    parking_question_chap
    My banger success.

    Recent purchase 2004 picasso 1.6 petrol.
    114000 miles full service history. Serviced to an inch of its life !

    10 months mot. Not failed and mot or any advisories for 6 years. Everything replaced as and when needed and receipts to prove. 4 brand new tyres ..

    All for £150.00.
    Originally posted by Alexdozza
    Wow, thats astonishing value. How did you find that?

    Breaking value is probably higher than that!
    • Alexdozza
    • By Alexdozza 26th Jul 17, 3:43 PM
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    My uncles childminder was trading it in and that all he was offered by the dealer so she offered it out first

    Yes. The very next day. Saw one for sale same age spec and mirage for 800
    • Terry98
    • By Terry98 26th Jul 17, 4:15 PM
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    My uncles childminder was trading it in and that all he was offered by the dealer so she offered it out first

    Yes. The very next day. Saw one for sale same age spec and mirage for 800
    Originally posted by Alexdozza
    I bet the dealer would have made more on the trade in than the car he was selling!
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 26th Jul 17, 4:25 PM
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    Stoke
    My banger success.

    Recent purchase 2004 picasso 1.6 petrol.
    114000 miles full service history. Serviced to an inch of its life !

    10 months mot. Not failed and mot or any advisories for 6 years. Everything replaced as and when needed and receipts to prove. 4 brand new tyres ..

    All for £150.00.
    Originally posted by Alexdozza
    Not sure I'd call it a success yet. You've only just bought it. Come back in 10 months time.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 26th Jul 17, 4:29 PM
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    I STILL haven't bought my new banger. I keep changing my mind. After my A4 experience, I can't really decide what to do.

    Near me, is a Citroen Pluriel (those horrid things that Jeremy Clarkson tore apart on the worst car in the world)

    53 reg, 86,000 miles, for just £300. 12 months MOT. The roof is apparently completely dead hence the low cost. However, the Pluriel roof is also the worst system in the world, so as someone who has absolutely no interest in ever using it, I'm tempted as I just don't care.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 26th Jul 17, 4:31 PM
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    Also, the the seller is throwing in the parts to fix the roof?

    eBay those, this car could nearly pay for itself
    • Alexdozza
    • By Alexdozza 31st Jul 17, 1:20 PM
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    I wouldn't buy that if I was u. Even for bangernomics..

    If it's got that wrong with it. There will be other things wrong
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 18th Aug 17, 2:09 PM
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    Quickly reignite this thread, I still haven't bought a banger.......

    But I might just have found one. Going to view it tonight. My fiancees brother has been driving it for the past 12 months and has decided he wants a Golf.

    It's a W Reg Mazda Demio, FSH, 60,000ish on the clock, 4 brand new tyres, never failed an MOT.

    The dealer has offered him £200 trade in, so I've offered to match that.

    It's the 1.3 GXI I believe, so £150 tax, 40 MPG, remote central locking and leccy windows although no AC unfortunately. I'll live without it.

    I'm not going to lie, it's mind numbingly boring, plenty of plastic trim on the interior and I've seen him pottering around in it a few times and it's definitely not fast. It's not going to win any awards at a beauty convention either, but from all I've read online, it's a reasonably practical vehicle, that's half decent on fuel and has a solid enough engine.

    If the mileage is really that low, could be an ideal car to run into the ground for a couple of years.
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 18th Aug 17, 2:40 PM
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    Quickly reignite this thread, I still haven't bought a banger.......

    But I might just have found one. Going to view it tonight. My fiancees brother has been driving it for the past 12 months and has decided he wants a Golf.

    It's a W Reg Mazda Demio, FSH, 60,000ish on the clock, 4 brand new tyres, never failed an MOT.

    The dealer has offered him £200 trade in, so I've offered to match that.

    It's the 1.3 GXI I believe, so £150 tax, 40 MPG, remote central locking and leccy windows although no AC unfortunately. I'll live without it.

    I'm not going to lie, it's mind numbingly boring, plenty of plastic trim on the interior and I've seen him pottering around in it a few times and it's definitely not fast. It's not going to win any awards at a beauty convention either, but from all I've read online, it's a reasonably practical vehicle, that's half decent on fuel and has a solid enough engine.

    If the mileage is really that low, could be an ideal car to run into the ground for a couple of years.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    Post some pics up when you get it!
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 18th Aug 17, 3:00 PM
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    Post some pics up when you get it!
    Originally posted by LeeUK
    Will do. Viewing it tonight, so I'll probably decide tonight and drive it home.

    At £200, I think my mind is made up. what's really to go wrong? Heck if I got three months out of it, it'd have been worth it
    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 18th Aug 17, 3:10 PM
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    Will do. Viewing it tonight, so I'll probably decide tonight and drive it home.

    At £200, I think my mind is made up. what's really to go wrong? Heck if I got three months out of it, it'd have been worth it
    Originally posted by Stoke
    If I was in need of a little run around for little coin I'd be taking it!

    Although the £150 tax would scare me now as I've just renewed the tax on my 207 HDI for another year at £30!
    Last edited by LeeUK; 18-08-2017 at 3:12 PM.
    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 18th Aug 17, 3:24 PM
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    If I was in need of a little run around for little coin I'd be taking it!

    Although the £150 tax would scare me now as I've just renewed the tax on my 207 HDI for another year at £30!
    Originally posted by LeeUK
    Yeah.... that's one of the things putting me off the Mk1 Focus. Having had my fairly ropey experience with the Audi A4 bangernomics, I was looking at an A3, but even the old ones are either high mileage or too expensive. The Focus MK1 on the other hand, have really plummeted in value and low mileage ones do come around.
    So, I sat in one the other day, went and visited a 1.8 Ghia model near where I work. I'm not really a huge Ford fan but my word, they're really quite nice, or at least this one was. Heated leather seats that are very supportive, lovely dashboard, radio controls on the stalks..... really a surprisingly nice and comfortable car. The price was probably a little bit high, but then I saw the tax.

    Holy !!!! balls, £250 odd quid a year. I didn't mind paying that for the Audi, after all it was a bit of a missile and the fuel economy was a bit ropey, but this was a 1.8 NA bloody Focus. Hardly the epitome of speed, and knock out a good 38-40MPG.

    I really couldn't swallow that tax every year, so I backed away (not the only reason to be fair).

    This is the big reason I was considering one of those Daihatsu Sirion horror shows. Yeah, they might be ugly as sin and only a 1.0 engine, but they're £30 tax and the fact they were so cheap with to begin, means you can grab a 57 or 58 reg for as little as a grand.
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