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    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 19th Feb 12, 1:34 PM
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    Your Bangernomics successes
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    • 19th Feb 12, 1:34 PM
    Your Bangernomics successes 19th Feb 12 at 1:34 PM
    Hello my fellow cheapskates. After spending nearly three years running a car for as cheap as possible, mainly as I ran it throughout all but he darkest depths of winter on WVO/UVO (waste or used vegetable oil), in a Vauxhall Astra I have had to say good bye to the old girl as it is no longer economical to repair to get it through itís MOT (which has now expired yesterday).

    Running my Vauxhall Astra on veg oil-
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1961265&highlight=worried+jim

    Being of limited budget but a growing fan of ďBangernomicsĒ (old banger cars + economics) I have decided to catalogue my experiences of running a sub £1000 car and I would like you to share your experiences if you are doing the same, weather through tight-fisted choice, i.e.-
    -Why buy a new car when you can run one successfully for the equivalent of two new car finance payments.
    -Or like me because you have no choice.

    Now to begin with we need to agree on price constraints. I have gone in with a £1000 price limit even though I paid half this, if you disagree lets discuss reasons, I am all ears.

    Here is my set up-
    A Rover 600 2.0sli.
    12 months MOT
    No tax
    £495.

    4 Doors, Manual, Saloon, Petrol, Metallic Blue, MOT-02-2013. Honda engine, ABS, Alloy wheels, Folding rear seats, Lumbar support, Immobiliser, Passenger airbag, Rear armrest, Radio/Cassette, Rear headrests, Alloy wheels, 3x3 point rear seat belts, Alarm, Drivers airbag, Electric windows, Height adjustable drivers seat, Remote central locking,
    The mileage was approx 118,000, Cambelt changed @79,000, loads of history (not fsh though) all the old MOT certificates.

    The bad bits about the car are-

    Electric aerial doesnít retract (canít use a carwash)
    Drivers seat lumber is worn
    Paint is faded on roof and boot lid.
    Radio is missing a button and unable to pick up many stations
    Small cigarette burn in rear passenger seat
    Driverís seat belt doesnít retract
    Not sure if Air con is fully working (suspect needs a re gas)
    Wind noise at speed from top right of driver door
    Both wing mirrors are tatty (held together with tape and a nylon tie)

    The good bits-

    Drives very well
    All tyres have lots of tread
    All electrics work
    12 months MOT
    Goes like stink
    Better than the last car I had.


    So in a nutshell I have bought a car with a brand new MOT for the price of getting my existing Astra through itís MOT just to face a similar if not larger bill for the same next year.
    Now there is nothing to suggest that in a years time I face the prospect of a large MOT repair bill and may have to start again with another car, hopefully not, and this is to document how far you can go with a banger.

    I have found an original Topgear review by Jeremy himself from 1993-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Lq92QTrBw

    I have had a good look around ebay and it is full of Rover parts should I need any- I currently have the wining bid on a Haynes manual so I can really get to know the car should I need to.

    I will be the first to admit that this is a gamble, no nice new car with no faults or warranty should any arise, hell, Iíve bought a car from a now defunct manufacture, how will this effect me? Now in my mind when I was a teenager in the early 90ís a banger was a Hillman Imp, Vauxhall Chevette or as in my case and my first car a Talbot Sunbeam. These were cars that if you wanted a radio (or a rear heated element on the rear screen) you had to fit one your self. Cold morning- fingers crossed, MOT time meant welding new sills. Now a banger today comes with power steering, ABS, electric windows, fuel injection and in some cases air con, so why spend £kís?

    Top Gear guide to Buying a Banger with Quentin Wilson- From 1997
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUVmNCdf4tI&feature=related
    (You wonít be buying anything featured in this clip but it gives you the idea and you can see the difference between ďoldĒ and ďmodernĒ bangers.
    So by now you should be getting the jist of how to join in. Share you car and model any feature it may have and keep updating!

    The £495 beast-


    Tatty rear bumper-


    Poor paint condition on roof (with free seagull crap)


    Poor paint condition on boot lid-


    Tatty wing mirror-


    Missing radio button-
    Last edited by worried jim; 19-02-2012 at 2:32 PM.
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
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    • Witless
    • By Witless 12th Sep 16, 9:14 PM
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    Witless
    Not sure if Scooby would like to be referred to as a 'banger' but it cost me less than £1400* (& a few hours fettling)

    MOT prep** was 7 miles at 4500 rpm in third

    Passed, with no advisories.

    CO 0.020% (required 3.5% or less)
    HC 176 ppm (required 1200 ppm or less)

    Total costs for 1 year

    Depreciation - nil (12yo car, apparently worth more than I paid for it a year ago - similar model/year/mileage on well known cartrader site at least £1k more than I paid)
    Tax - £295 (Subaru AWD)
    Insurance - £315
    Fuel - £1224
    Servicing £85 (and I have 12-15 litres of oil left for the next 2 services: doing your own maintenance saves a fortune)
    MOT £30.50

    To say I'm content is an understatement.

    * realistic cost was approx £1000 to £1100: but instead of selling the Megane it replaced (120k miles, 56 weeks MOT - value £300 -£400?) I gave it to my mate's daughter as she needed a car but couldn't really afford one. (Mate does the majority of the maintenance (but doesn't charge), knew the car & knew it would be ideal for her so he paid half her insurance)

    **not strictly true - we do rolling maintenance on our cars, checking/fettling each one about every 6 weeks. Part of the £85 cost was £12 for a steam clean (we only have cold washers). If anything the cars are 'over maintained' if there is such a thing.
    • mcjordi
    • By mcjordi 12th Sep 16, 10:23 PM
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    Picked up a 2003 fiesta zetec on a 03 plate yesterday for £200 mk6 shape for a friend of mine.
    spent £50 on some new plugs and leads and servicing it.. flew through MOT
    lad who was selling thought it was scrap
    Sealed pot challenger # 10
    1v100 £15/300
    • decnet
    • By decnet 20th Sep 16, 11:36 AM
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    Astra
    Hi, for a bit of fun I wrote this review of my old Astra in the format used by PistonHeads for their readers car reviews. I was toying with the idea of submitting it but as it's just an ordinary car I decided not to, so I figured as it may be of interest to people who enjoy bangernomics I might as well post it hear.

    Why I bought it:

    When it became apparent last year that our office space was being moved and Iíd have to commute a much greater distance for work, I started looking around for a car that would be best suited to the task. It would need to cover up to 20,000 miles a year in relative safety and comfort, and be as reasonably priced as possible. After giving it some thought I started to become slightly obsessed with doing it as cheaply as I could, so as to minimise the impact on my finances. This lead me down a somewhat different path than I might have otherwise followed, so while others were out shopping for new BMWs I was scouring eBay and Gumtree for very much the opposite end of the car spectrum.

    I didnít want depreciation to be a major factor so decided to set the budget low, Iíd aim for around £1,000 and see what the search brought up. Obviously reliability was be an important consideration so it would need to be something sensible and ideally I wanted a mid-sized 5 door hatch for practicality. As Iím fairly tall I didnít want a super mini sized car, I also wanted something that would be more at home on the motorway but nothing bigger as mid-sized is all I need.

    Diesel was the preferred fuel type due to the desire for high mpg and an engine that could cover big miles, this was also around the time diesel prices started to reach parity with petrol so it seemed the obvious choice. Air bags and ABS were a must, as was power steering, at least front electric windows, remote central locking and air con (although admittedly this has a leak on mine currently).

    Iíd considered and dismissed a great many cars when I came across a Mk4 Astra Eco 4, which was up for sale for £1400 with a fair amount of recent work and no obvious mechanical issues to note. I decided to go for it and ended up getting it for £1200 after some negotiating. I got the train up to the area where it was being sold from and the seller met me at the station, I looked over the car and it checked out and matched the description. The drive home was pleasantly faultless and it even came with enough fuel for the journey.

    I appreciate this wonít be everyone's cup of tea as we all have different priorities but I think theyíre great little cars. Theyíre big enough to use regularly on the motorway and powerful enough for normal driving, whilst at the same time when driven sensibly they can return up to 70 mpg. They only cost £30 a year to tax, youíll spend £60 a corner for quality tyres and they have a solid flywheel so thereís no expensive DMF issues to worry about. Thereís also no DPF and being a, shall we say less than modern car the repair costs are sensible and a lot of work is a DIY prospect. My example is also recent enough to have the desired air bags and ABS.

    After taking ownership I had the cam-belt changed and an oil and filter change carried out for peace of mind. I also had all 4 tyres replaced and as it happened it required a new exhaust, which I wasnít initially aware of. Other than that though Iíve just added a new headunit to make listening to podcasts from my mobile phone easier and to add hands free capability in case of any phone calls whilst on the road.

    The Eco 4 models got a high ratio gearbox, low rolling resistance tyres and a lowered ride height, as well as aerodynamic under trays and a rear spoiler allowing them to get into that £30 tax bracket and achieve a slightly higher mpg than than the standard model which theyíre based on. So far Iím pleased with my choice, it might not be the most exciting car in the world but for the money I canít fault it, itís now covered 12,000 miles in my ownership and hasnít failed to start or left me stranded, touch wood that continues!

    What I wish Iíd known:

    Nothing much springs to mind but I did do a lot of research before I decided on the one I ended up buying.

    Things I love:

    Knowing the cost per mile is low and that itís a faithful workhorse.

    Things I hate:

    Nothing much but itís frustrating that the drivers window doesnít shut all the way on itís own, itís a job Iíve been putting off but will aim to get to this year.

    Costs:

    This is where I think the car scores highly, the cost per mile is pretty much as low as I could get it, when considering the outlay on the car itself.

    Where Iíve been:

    Iíve spent a lot of time on the M4 and nowhere much else, the car was purchased with this in mind though.

    What next:

    At the moment Iím happy with what I have.
    • mcjordi
    • By mcjordi 16th Oct 16, 10:14 AM
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    fast approaching a year since i bought the scenic.. done around 6k in it and only spent approx £50 on servicing and repairs.
    Sealed pot challenger # 10
    1v100 £15/300
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 16th Oct 16, 10:28 AM
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    Dont know if i've posted my latest sub £1,000 purchase, but heres she is



    2.5 litre V6 petrol MG ZT.

    Bought for £750. Wasnt without its problems. Clunky front suspension - although MOT legal - necessitated (as it was driving me mad) new anti roll bar bushings, shocks, top mount bearings and top mounts.

    All going well now though, full years MOT.
    Regards

    Paul
    • jimjames
    • By jimjames 16th Oct 16, 9:13 PM
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    jimjames
    fast approaching a year since i bought the scenic.. done around 6k in it and only spent approx £50 on servicing and repairs.
    Originally posted by mcjordi
    About 7 months for me with the Golf and nearly 10k miles. Had a few bits to spend out on but it's still be very reliable motoring for not much money. I'll need a couple of new tyres soon but that's not something I'd skimp on
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
    • dcouponzzzz
    • By dcouponzzzz 1st Nov 16, 11:23 AM
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    Forgive me for my lack of knowledge around anything under a car bonnet, but I have a 2003 Focus 1.8 LX 5 door hatchback... the interior light played silly beggars last week and killed the battery.

    Jumped it, ran it in and its been starting fine all week. This morning I used the front/rear heated windscreens and everything electricity related started flickering on and off. While I was on a rather large and dangerous 5 entry/exit roundabout.

    The car cost £800 2 months ago and I'm chuffed with it. Literally the only problems are some wheel arch rust which hasn't spread and missing rear seat headrests, and it runs perfectly.

    So, the question. Do I buy a new battery? Is there another way for me to charge the current one back up? If I buy new, any recommendations? (Halfords own brand seems reasonable and well reviewed). Would it be a better investment to just get a portable jump kit?

    Once again, sorry for any stupid questions
    Started 07/15. Car finance reduced £9.4k to £0 , Mortgage: 52.5k - Savings: £0
    • loskie
    • By loskie 1st Nov 16, 12:43 PM
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    buy a battery from an auto factors I got one from Sutton Auto Factors for my Volvo cost about £68 Halfords were 130. Both the same Yuasa battery
    • Farzackerly
    • By Farzackerly 2nd Nov 16, 12:57 AM
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    Farzackerly
    Forgive me for my lack of knowledge around anything under a car bonnet, but I have a 2003 Focus 1.8 LX 5 door hatchback... the interior light played silly beggars last week and killed the battery.

    Jumped it, ran it in and its been starting fine all week. This morning I used the front/rear heated windscreens and everything electricity related started flickering on and off. While I was on a rather large and dangerous 5 entry/exit roundabout.

    The car cost £800 2 months ago and I'm chuffed with it. Literally the only problems are some wheel arch rust which hasn't spread and missing rear seat headrests, and it runs perfectly.

    So, the question. Do I buy a new battery? Is there another way for me to charge the current one back up? If I buy new, any recommendations? (Halfords own brand seems reasonable and well reviewed). Would it be a better investment to just get a portable jump kit?

    Once again, sorry for any stupid questions
    Originally posted by dcouponzzzz
    When a car battery gets more than a couple of years old, a totally flat drain-down will often knacker it. It will seem to charge up, but will let you down when you need it most - like in the cold mornings. Car batteries aren't designed to cope with drain-downs, being more for short bursts of large amps (like starting) then fairly rapid recharging.
    It will be worth your while to spend fifty or sixty quid on a new one that will last a few years - it's still cheap motoring.
    Just to be on the safe side - stick a multimeter across the battery when the engine's running and see what the charging voltage is. Your problem might be alternator related.
    Last edited by Farzackerly; 02-11-2016 at 12:59 AM.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 4th Nov 16, 8:43 PM
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    Red-Squirrel
    I've been reasonably lucky with 'bangers' as long as I've been driving.

    My first car was a 1990 Fiat Uno, bought in 2002 for £200 when I passed my test, ran beautifully till 2007 with only the cost of its MOT each year then scrapped when it broke down on the M62 and was uneconomical to repair. I loved that car, I'd have that car back in a heartbeat, my friends were always alarmed that it only had one wing mirror.

    I replaced that in 2007 with a 1996 Renault Clio for £400, ran fine with no problems at all until an idiot in a stolen car wrote it off in 2009. Gutted.

    With the very generous insurance settlement from that I bought a 1996 Nissan Almera for £300. I only kept that for about a year (no repairs or problems) then sold it for £250 to car share with my ex. Somebody else may still be driving that...

    After breaking up with the ex I got a 2006 Kia Picanto in 2010, newest car I'd ever owned. Now that its nearly 10 years old though I think it officially qualifies as a banger and its still never let me down and only set me back the cost of MOTs and a couple of new tyres.

    I've just had a company car delivered today, less than 2 years old, it doesn't have a real key and there are loads of buttons I don't understand, I'm not cut out for these new shiny cars!!
    • robin61
    • By robin61 6th Nov 16, 8:49 AM
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    +1

    I'd have another S Type in a flash. Great cars. Plenty around. Try to get a post facelift 2002 onwards model.

    I've had a handful of S Types - varying between £700 and £1200 from memory..





    Originally posted by motorguy
    Very good thread.
    I am hoping to retire within the next 18 months. At the moment we only need one car ( my company car) as I don't use it for work so my wife gets to use it. She seems to regard it as her car !
    Anyway I can see that when I am not working there will be more occasions when an extra car would be nice to have. Thing is a second car would still not be used that much. So I am thinking that we will get one newish car (probably for my wife) and then maybe an older one as a second car would suffice.
    I'd be very happy with one of these old S Types. I have always liked them.You are right there seem to be plenty around for reasonable money. I would be interested to know a bit more about how reliable yours have been.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by robin61; 06-11-2016 at 2:20 PM.
    • parking_question_chap
    • By parking_question_chap 6th Nov 16, 5:59 PM
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    I am considering swapping my car for something else. Would love an S type for £1000. Though I have to ask, what went wrong with each one to make you get rid?
    • robin61
    • By robin61 7th Nov 16, 1:55 PM
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    robin61
    I am considering swapping my car for something else. Would love an S type for £1000. Though I have to ask, what went wrong with each one to make you get rid?
    Originally posted by parking_question_chap
    I would probably spend a bit more than that but I take your point. I'd love to know whether they turned out to be money pits or not.
    • JP08
    • By JP08 7th Nov 16, 2:44 PM
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    I think my best bangernomics success was the Volvo 240 Estate I got back in 2001 for the princely sum of £1k. A quick scan though my extensive spending spreadsheet shows I spent a grand total of £1030 pounds in the 4.75 years I owned her (excluding fuel, insurance and tax). Ie all the repair and maintenance costs, MoTs, tyres, exhausts, servicing, etc.

    That's not to say she wasn't without faults.

    The interior was well beyond foxed - beared might have been accurate - an early item in that £1030 expenses list is for some seat covers.

    The heater blower didn't work in the whole time I owned her - but such was the capacity of the unit that any forward motion provided plenty of heat.

    The autobox would drop out of overdrive (don't ask, Aisin Warner box, 3 speed auto, overdrive on 2 and 3). Application of solder to dodgy tracks in the relay circuit board sorted that.

    The electronic ignition had been replaced by a points setup. So the timing figures in the book were worse than useless. Set the timing by belting up and down the A1 between two roundabouts until I found a point where she a) didn't get hot and b) didn't pink at speed.


    But best of all was the twin choke Weber carb in place of the original. Meant that when you put your foot down several things happened.

    1) the autobox would kick down once (out of overdrive) then again from third to second.
    2) the second jet on the Weber would dump fuel at a phenomenal rate into the engine.
    3) there would be a James Bond style cloud of fumes out the back.
    4) the nose would come up in a most un-Volvo like manner, and an even more un-Volvo like acceleration wound take place.

    Traded her in for £2k of Mitsubishi Galant Auto Estate. Cost a bit more over my ownership (about £2.4k), but did have her for nearly 7 years.
    • ard123en
    • By ard123en 23rd Nov 16, 8:58 AM
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    I'm on my first month of ownership of a Hyundai coupe 2.7 v6 picked up for £700 everything works
    Knew when I bought it needed a new tyre got one (part worn with 7mm on it ) plan to give it a good service inc front discs and pads as they feel like a record these are all things I knew about then I brought it though.

    Love driving it would have no think nothing to doing a long journey in it except its a bit thirsty at 30ish to the gallon
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 23rd Nov 16, 9:40 AM
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    worried jim
    I'm on my first month of ownership of a Hyundai coupe 2.7 v6 picked up for £700 everything works
    Knew when I bought it needed a new tyre got one (part worn with 7mm on it ) plan to give it a good service inc front discs and pads as they feel like a record these are all things I knew about then I brought it though.

    Love driving it would have no think nothing to doing a long journey in it except its a bit thirsty at 30ish to the gallon
    Originally posted by ard123en
    30ish to the gallon? Pah! 18/19 for my Saab around town. Merc is a bit better @21. Welcome to Bangernomics- any pics of your 2.7, it sounds tasty?

    I think I heard that the brake disks are a bit of a job on the 2.7- let us know how you got on.
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
    • ard123en
    • By ard123en 24th Nov 16, 11:26 PM
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    30ish to the gallon? Pah! 18/19 for my Saab around town. Merc is a bit better @21. Welcome to Bangernomics- any pics of your 2.7, it sounds tasty?

    I think I heard that the brake disks are a bit of a job on the 2.7- let us know how you got on.
    Originally posted by worried jim
    Here's a pic.
    picture hosting


    Had a spare couple of hours today did one side was no different to any other car would have done both sides of the bolts had come out easily did not need the car today will finish tomorrow
    Last edited by ard123en; 25-11-2016 at 12:30 AM.
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 25th Nov 16, 12:00 PM
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    Amazing what you can be driving for less than £1k if you think outside the box. Looks really good in silver. I sat in one brand new about 14 years ago and the salesman came running over- I nearly said yes just from the smell of the leather alone.
    "Only two things are infinite-the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the universe"
    Albert Einstein
    • markelock
    • By markelock 25th Nov 16, 2:16 PM
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    markelock

    £850.

    Excluding Tax, Servicing, and a rear spring change (which I did myself for £80)

    Plenty still to do, paintwork would benefit from an overhaul, the alarm has a mind of its own, but it drives like a dream. I don't measure the mpg, probably best not to...

    https://s21.postimg.org/49mruqaon/Lexus_1.jpg





    Remember the time he ate my goldfish? And you lied and said I never had goldfish. Then why did I have the bowl Bart? Why did I have the bowl?
    • ard123en
    • By ard123en 25th Nov 16, 10:45 PM
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    ard123en
    Finished the breaks on a coupe today second side took less than an hour.

    Noticed a clunk an intermittent clunk on kick when cold down going to check the transmission fluid at the weekend
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