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Old 12-02-2012, 2:57 PM
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Default Carers Allowance...backdated?

Since we were advised to claim carers allowance for my mum, we've since been told this is perhaps something that we should have been doing for quite some time, does anyone have an idea how far back this can go?

As you will see from previous posts, mum is 91 and its something we have been doing simply because she is our mum, but looking more into it, i can see where the cost to us is quite substantial, we just didn't give it much thought.

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Old 12-02-2012, 3:54 PM
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Firstly - is she getting attendance allowance?
You can't get carers allowance simply because you're caring for somene.
They need to be getting DLA, or attendance allowance.

Secondly, as I understand it, carers allowance can only be backdated 3 months.
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Old 12-02-2012, 5:41 PM
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yes...in receipt of AA...thanks
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If your mum is in receipt of Attendance Allowance and the Extra Amount of Severe Disability Part (£55.30 per week) and you claim and get paid carers allowance she would lose the Extra Amount for Severe Disability, but if you claimed what is known as underlying entitlement to Carers Allowance, i.e. you did not take the paid element of Carers Allowance, and let the Pension Service know about the underlying entitlement, her money would go up by £31 per week.

So, short and sweet if you take the money she loses up to £55,30 per week and if you don't stands to gain £31.00 per week, these are current rates, and due to go up in April.

Hopefully this makes sense.

PS if she is not claiming the Extra Amount for Severe Disability she should and can be back dated to when she was awarded Attendance Allowance amounting to several thousands in some cases.

Edited to say Cpt. Scarlet has made me realise an error, she would only receive as in the mum the £31.00 carers premium herself if she the 91 years old mum was registered as someone's carer (and yes this does happen more often than you think.).

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If your mum is in receipt of Attendance Allowance and the Extra Amount of Severe Disability Part (£55.30 per week) and you claim and get paid carers allowance she would lose the Extra Amount for Severe Disability, but if you claimed what is known as underlying entitlement to Carers Allowance, i.e. you did not take the paid element of Carers Allowance, and let the Pension Service know about the underlying entitlement, her money would go up by £31 per week.

So, short and sweet if you take the money she loses up to £55,30 per week and if you don't stands to gain £31.00 per week, these are current rates, and due to go up in April.

Hopefully this makes sense.

PS if she is not claiming the Extra Amount for Severe Disability she should and can be back dated to when she was awarded Attendance Allowance amounting to several thousands in some cases.
You can't do this!

This only works if the CA is not payable due to an overlapping benefit, which is not the case for the OP.
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You can't do this!

This only works if the CA is not payable due to an overlapping benefit, which is not the case for the OP.

Apologies, Pension Credit if not already in payment would also need to be applied for as this is what the Extra Amount for Severe Disability is linked to, and what would be effected if paid carers allowance was in payment

If this is not in payment then, yes indeed Carers Allowance may indeed be paid.

I see so many missing out on money through linked benefits and made a presumption (possibly wrongly), the Original Posters mum was in receipt of Pension Credit when she mentioned Attendance Allowance which you don't have to be in receipt of Pension Credit I believe to claim.


The benefit system is quite a minefield at times......
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had a look through some of her papers and as far as we can see she appears to be receiving:

A State Pension
Pension Credit
Attendance Allowance (her letter says "entitled to higher rate for personal care)

She also has the rent in her sheltered accomodation paid for as well.

Hope this is of help, as another kind poster has said "it's a minefield" especially as we know absolutely nothing about benefits or how to claim.
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had a look through some of her papers and as far as we can see she appears to be receiving:

A State Pension
Pension Credit
Attendance Allowance (her letter says "entitled to higher rate for personal care)

She also has the rent in her sheltered accomodation paid for as well.

Hope this is of help, as another kind poster has said "it's a minefield" especially as we know absolutely nothing about benefits or how to claim.
Thanks for the above, can you tell me if she lives with anyone or alone?

If she lives with someone is it a joint tenancy or joint ownership of a property before I think 11.4.88, or is the other person in receipt of any rate of Attendance Allowance, or Disability Living Allowance Middle or High Rate Care?

Again if she lives with anyone are they registered blind (not to be confused with partially sighted)?

If you can answer the above, I'll be able to give more accurate advice. Thanks in advance.
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lives on her own in a flat in shetlered accomodation

she would probably be classed as "blind" although I'm not sure what documentation or proof is required, certainly totally blind in one eye and has difficulty recognising me if Im 7 or 8 feet away and there's bright light

probably classed as deaf as well (totally in one ear) hearing aid in other although even when set at "rock concert" levels, she still has difficulty hearing me.
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The living alone was the main thing I was looking for here, the other questions / answers were only required if she lived with someone else.

As she is in receipt of Pension Credit and Attendance Allowance she would qualify for up to an additions £55.30 per week on top of the money she received just now.

Re the carers allowance, yes you can claim it and get paid £55.55 per week as long as you are looking after / caring for at least 35 hours per week.

If you were in receipt of Retirement / State Pension you would not be entitled to claim this money as it's a conflicting / overlapping benefit ( there are a few over lapping benefits, again if your in receipt of a benefit please let me know and I'll have a look).

Anyway taking it you are not in receipt of any conflicting benefits, or working, or in full time education and your mum was not in receipt of the Extra Amount for Severe Disability your could claim and be paid the £55.55 for Carers Allowance per week for looking after your mum, but if she was in receipt of the Extra Amount for Severe Disability she could still claim it, if you were in what is known as being in receipt of underlying entitlement to Carers Allowance, i.e. you are recognised as her carer but you do not get paid for it.

I hope this makes sense, if not please say and I'll try again.
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Apologies, Pension Credit if not already in payment would also need to be applied for as this is what the Extra Amount for Severe Disability is linked to, and what would be effected if paid carers allowance was in payment

If this is not in payment then, yes indeed Carers Allowance may indeed be paid.

I see so many missing out on money through linked benefits and made a presumption (possibly wrongly), the Original Posters mum was in receipt of Pension Credit when she mentioned Attendance Allowance which you don't have to be in receipt of Pension Credit I believe to claim.


The benefit system is quite a minefield at times......
At the last count approx 30% of persons that are known to be entitled to Guaranteed Pension Credit do not claim it!! That's a saving to the government of approx £1.2m per annum!!!
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@Cheekyweegit (sorry for calling you that...lol) we aren't in receipt of any benefits, our sole income is an ill health retirement pension circa £14.5k, we've never actually been on benefits and as far as we know, we're probably not entitled to benefits anyway because of the occupational pension and we were prudent and own our own house, mortgage etc cleared a few years ago.

So we would appear to be able then to claim CA although we will be taxed on it , but am I right in reading that she still may be missing out on some sort of "severe disablement" award?

Again to everyone who's taking the time to read and post replies, many, many thanks, the knowledge will be useful when talking to the government bodies who sort these things, just hope now they will speak to us on the phone as conversations with our mum are difficult to say the least...although at times can be quite whimsical....along the lines of "whats on the TV?"....mum answers "half past 4"...you get the drift I'm sure.
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It does sound like your mum is missing out on money the Extra Amount of Severe Disability (EASD for short), a quick phone call to your local Pension Service Office, and they should sent you out a form called a PC10 for your mum to complete, get this done and returned as soon as possible and if she qualified for the EASD it will be back dated to the start of her Attendance Allowance Claim and could be potentially thousands owed.

If she is for want of a better expression 'getting a little muddled', have you thought about power of attourney? A home visit to your mums with you there could sort this out and you would then be able to deal with her affairs if she is unable to.

Failing this if and when you phone the Pension Service as long as she can answer the security questions unprompted she can then pass the phone to you to speak, does this help?

Anyway, if you go down the paid route for carers allowance for yourself, please still look into the EASD as your mum may still be entitled to EASD until you get your first payment of Carers Allowance, you then let the Pension Service know (although Carers Allowance Department will pass on details you are getting paid), just in case there is a delay in Carers Allowance passing the information on, and it saves any over payment problems as EASD and Paid Carers Allowance are over lapping benefits.

Hopefully this helps once more.

Again any questions and if I can help I'll try.
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Oh and I noticed the bit about Ill Retirement Pension, are you or have you or your partner claimed Disability Living Allowance (DLA) care component? Again you might be able to claim carers there, leaving your mum to claim EASD.

Sorry if that's too personal a question, and feel free to PM me if it's easier if there are things you don't want to put on a public forum, I understand.
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At the last count approx 30% of persons that are known to be entitled to Guaranteed Pension Credit do not claim it!! That's a saving to the government of approx £1.2m per annum!!!
I think you will find that its up to 1.6 million pensioners missing out on 2.93 Billion £'s yearly by underclaiming Pension Credit

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/newsroom/press...wp013-12.shtml
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Oh and I noticed the bit about Ill Retirement Pension, are you or have you or your partner claimed Disability Living Allowance (DLA) care component? Again you might be able to claim carers there, leaving your mum to claim EASD.
it seems that although my employer deemed me unable to work again and gave me my full pension entitlement, the government thinks different about my ability to work....wierd I know....lol...

thanks again for everyones input, app forms hopefully in the post....
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