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    • steve1500
    • By steve1500 23rd Jan 12, 1:15 PM
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    • #2
    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:15 PM
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    I got an invoice today & it has gone in the draw to collect dust
    Private Parking Tickets is my way of telling the wife to use her car and not mine
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 23rd Jan 12, 1:24 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:24 PM
    I moved in to an apartment with my girlfriend recently and the car park for our apartment has numbered bays. Each bay has a permit but parking is apparently restricted to one car per bay and as we have two vehicles we have got 3 £90 parking fines in two days. Many of the apartments are empty so there are a lot of spare spaces and we are causing no harm using one extra bay. Do UKPC ltd have the authority to make me pay all these fines? What do i do?
    Originally posted by lukewalsh010


    You just ignore it. Follow the advice on this pepipoo forum thread which is similar to your situation:

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=67439

    Then come back here and read the sticky threads to watch a Watchdog video about this scam, and to see the letters you will be sent. Ignore them.

    This is NOT a fine.
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • lukewalsh010
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:25 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:25 PM
    Can they not force me to pay these fines?
  • lukewalsh010
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:26 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:26 PM
    I'll empty a draw ready for the letters then. Thanks
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 23rd Jan 12, 1:26 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:26 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:26 PM
    Read the sticky threads, look at the link to the pepipoo thread, as it has advice I don't have time to type out at work.

    Then come back if it's not clear that this is a SCAM and they are NOT fines.
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 23rd Jan 12, 1:27 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:27 PM
    Can they not force me to pay these fines?
    Originally posted by lukewalsh010
    With a court order yes they could however for one or two tickets they won't bother. That said, the more tickets you collect the more attention you'll get from them increasing the odds of court action. You need to figure out somewhere else to put the other car ASAP before they become a real pain in the grass.
    • HO87
    • By HO87 23rd Jan 12, 1:30 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:30 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:30 PM
    These are not fines. UKPC have absolutely no authority at law to levy any type of penalty. What you have is an invitation to settle an alleged breach of contract. All that they could do is to pursue you for their reasonable losses which in what amounts to a free car park come to precisely zero. At £90 a pop it is clear that the amount demanded is a penalty. Ignore them.
    My very sincere apologies for those hoping to request off-board assistance but I am now so inundated with requests that in order to do justice to those "already in the system" I am no longer accepting PM's and am unlikely to do so for the foreseeable future (August 2016).

    For those seeking more detailed advice and guidance regarding small claims cases arising from private parking issues I recommend that you visit the Private Parking forum on PePiPoo.com
    • The Slithy Tove
    • By The Slithy Tove 23rd Jan 12, 1:51 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:51 PM
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    • 23rd Jan 12, 1:51 PM
    Do the signs in the car park make any threats about clamping? If so, you'd better be careful, as there's a whole world of hurt and aggro if one or other of your cars gets clamped or towed (even if it's done illegally).
  • lukewalsh010
    I have been on the phone since i posted this question the 1st time and people have passed the responsibility to others but what I have been told is that a company called bigwood own the car park and have an agreement with UKPC to fine people for not displaying a valid permit and so Bigwood claim that UKPC can and will fine me everytime my vechile is in a bay without a permit and they said I WILL HAVE TO PAY. Shall I still ignore the letters?
  • vax2002
    Bigwood will be getting a cut of the Scam money.
    • trisontana
    • By trisontana 23rd Jan 12, 2:16 PM
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    I have been on the phone since i posted this question the 1st time and people have passed the responsibility to others but what I have been told is that a company called bigwood own the car park and have an agreement with UKPC to fine people for not displaying a valid permit and so Bigwood claim that UKPC can and will fine me everytime my vechile is in a bay without a permit and they said I WILL HAVE TO PAY. Shall I still ignore the letters?
    Originally posted by lukewalsh010
    You do not have to pay and these aren't FINES. Don't forget that UKPC are not the police or the council. They are just private citizens with no more power than you or me to demand money off people.
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 23rd Jan 12, 2:31 PM
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    All that they could do is to pursue you for their reasonable losses which in what amounts to a free car park come to precisely zero.
    Originally posted by HO87
    Plus the DVLA lookup fee (£2.50), plus postage, plus time to administer the DVLA lookup, reply, letters being sent.

    Once the ball starts rolling even on a case that loses in court have you not noticed the PPC often still gets minimal costs?
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 23rd Jan 12, 2:37 PM
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    Plus the DVLA lookup fee (£2.50), plus postage, plus time to administer the DVLA lookup, reply, letters being sent.

    Once the ball starts rolling even on a case that loses in court have you not noticed the PPC often still gets minimal costs?
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    Only you cant sue someone for £0!

    So you would have to sue for an amount as a penalty, then you would not win, and if you don't win you don't get costs!
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 23rd Jan 12, 2:42 PM
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    But thats just it - go back and look at the "Parking eye loose" thread posted by Alex. They lost and still got their costs from the defendant.

    Thats what I'm saying, the £2.50 plus postage etc can still be counted as a loss incurred by the company.

    In effect even though PE lost, they still won because the motorist still had to stump up cash.
  • lukewalsh010
    I have spoken at length and UKPC and they have said its a penalty charge, I didnt say I had recieved one and just told them that I was enquiring about the issue. In my lease it states I will have 1 parking space. It says nothing about me recieving a £90 'parking charge'.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 23rd Jan 12, 3:14 PM
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    But thats just it - go back and look at the "Parking eye loose" thread posted by Alex. They lost and still got their costs from the defendant.

    Thats what I'm saying, the £2.50 plus postage etc can still be counted as a loss incurred by the company.

    In effect even though PE lost, they still won because the motorist still had to stump up cash.
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    Parking Eye didn't lose though they won! (in theory) The loss was in the amount they lost pursuing the case.
    They were awarded their loss's which were 2X £5 parking and 2X £2.50 not the 2X £120 penalties, and the mad cost's.
    Last edited by esmerobbo; 23-01-2012 at 3:16 PM.
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 23rd Jan 12, 3:15 PM
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    It says nothing about me recieving a £90 'parking charge'.
    Originally posted by lukewalsh010
    It doesn't have to. As long as they specify what you are entitled to how the rest of the car park is managed isn't really relevant to your lease. The point is you have one space and you're using spaces that belong to other properties without consent which your lease doesn't entitle you to.
    • TrickyWicky
    • By TrickyWicky 23rd Jan 12, 3:23 PM
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    Parking Eye didn't lose though they won! (in theory) The loss was in the amount they lost pursuing the case.
    They were awarded their loss's which were 2X £5 parking and 2X £2.50 not the 2X £120 penalties, and the mad cost's.
    Originally posted by esmerobbo
    Are you blind? - The thread titled "Parking Eye lose"

    Original claim of £240 deemed a contractual penalty unrelated to damages incurred.

    £15 + £95 costs awarded.
    Originally posted by Alexis27
    Also where did I state they were awarded their 'penalties'? - I didn't. All I said was that the DVLA lookup, postage etc could be classed as a loss/expense. I never said anything about their PPC parking charge so why are you trying to educate me about it? I never said 'would', 'is' etc just that it could be.
    • esmerobbo
    • By esmerobbo 23rd Jan 12, 3:41 PM
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    Sorry for the thread hijack,

    Are you blind? - The thread titled "Parking Eye lose"



    Also where did I state they were awarded their 'penalties'? - I didn't. All I said was that the DVLA lookup, postage etc could be classed as a loss/expense. I never said anything about their PPC parking charge so why are you trying to educate me about it? I never said 'would', 'is' etc just that it could be.
    Originally posted by TrickyWicky
    No I am not blind!! You see I have seen the judgement, I actually paid Smithy an amount towards his costs.

    Plain English PARKING EYE WON THE CASE!!!!!!!!!!

    You cant be awarded costs if you lose! Otherwise people would be suing everybody for a £1 and £135 costs!!! Losing the claim and being paid cost's!

    Read here! http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=49001389&postcount=305
    Last edited by esmerobbo; 23-01-2012 at 3:49 PM.
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