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  • sylvergrunge
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    • 25th Jan 12, 11:52 AM
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    • 25th Jan 12, 11:52 AM
    I have just been looking into this job too and would be interested to hear any feedback good or bad
    Everyone loves a bargain
  • Coopdivi
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    • 26th Jan 12, 12:20 PM
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    • 26th Jan 12, 12:20 PM
    I wouldn't say it's a scam but it's entirely misleading.

    The website has an application form on it and that's it. No address, no phone number, no privacy policy. Nothing. However if you look on the Domain Registration, which all websites have to have, you'll see the name of one Abigail Colclough who states that she's a non-trading individual.

    http://whois.domaintools.com/akcmarketing.co.uk

    Her name's plastered all over the internet though because she is actually a Kleeneze distributor and AKC Distribution is the website where she recruits new agents.

    http://happytv.biz/html/abigail_colclough.html

    Kleeneze is multi level marketing (MLM) which is a type of legalised pyramid selling. There are two ways to make money with MLM:

    1. Sell products to the general public, in this case door-to-door.
    2. Recruit new distributors and take a slice of their earnings. Which is what Ms Colclough is doing because it's easy money compared to 1.

    You'll have to pay upfront for equipment - between 75 and 165. Catalogues will cost 30 for 50.

    So it's not really a job at all is it?
  • MrDNA
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    • 27th Jan 12, 12:15 PM
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    • 27th Jan 12, 12:15 PM

    Kleeneze is multi level marketing (MLM) which is a type of legalised pyramid selling. There are two ways to make money with MLM:

    1. Sell products to the general public, in this case door-to-door.
    2. Recruit new distributors and take a slice of their earnings. Which is what Ms Colclough is doing because it's easy money compared to 1.

    You'll have to pay upfront for equipment - between 75 and 165. Catalogues will cost 30 for 50.

    So it's not really a job at all is it?
    Originally posted by Coopdivi
    Pyramid selling actually refers to the early franchises. MLM or Network Marketing is not a job, never claims to be. It is a business and therefore requires investment. Agreed there are 2 ways to earn.

    The retail is horrible but gives you cash in hand. Some people we knew did pretty well just on retail. The recruitment side is far more lucrative. However you are wrong to say you take a slice of their earnings. the total sales for your team would if enough entitle you to bonuses PAID BY THE COMPANY

    We left because you have to deal with idiots.
  • Coopdivi
    • #5
    • 27th Jan 12, 7:25 PM
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    • 27th Jan 12, 7:25 PM
    The advert on Totaljobs.com looks like a job to me.

    http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/WORK-FROM-HOME_job52577439

    Surely if it wasn't a job AKC Distribution would have said so? 'Salary 200 - 4,000 + per 4 weeks'
  • MrDNA
    • #6
    • 27th Jan 12, 7:29 PM
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    • 27th Jan 12, 7:29 PM
    I was referring to Kleeneze
  • James Freebourne
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    • 3rd May 12, 3:59 PM
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    • 3rd May 12, 3:59 PM
    Just a heads-up - the same advert has just been posted on Jobsite - Riders Retail also get a mention as being the source of the post.

    Tony
  • scooby088
    • #8
    • 3rd May 12, 4:08 PM
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    • 3rd May 12, 4:08 PM
    I see these sort of positions advertised on the jobcentre website and they say they guarantee NMW where as my OH who has done both kleenze and betterware and she would never do it again as there is no money in it, for the hours you spend delivering brochures and then trying to get them back wasn't and isn't worth the effort. I'd say stay well clear of these companies.
  • 1welshlady
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    • 3rd May 12, 8:57 PM
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    • 3rd May 12, 8:57 PM
    I used to work for Kleeneze and believe me it was no job. I work and just wanted to boost my earnings, so decided to give it a go.
    I had to pay for the catalogues up front, which were not cheap.By the time I would distribute them, then I would have to call back to collect them. Sometimes people were out so I had to make another journey. I would then have to deliver the orders, again if nobody was home I would have to go back another time. I spent a lot more money than I ever made and wasted a great deal of my time.
    What was meant to have been a part time job, ended up being a full time job with no pay.
    My advice is too avoid it.
  • fredinashed
    Take it from one who tried it. Don't.

    Kleeneze was in the group with that Christmas hamper firm that went bust.

    Here is what happens - they look for a steady stream of people to do the hard work of delivering the catalogs. You have to buy them! Lots of people just bung them in recycling. Very few people actually buy anything. From my experience the products are not that good.

    But its great business for the team leaders, who make a profit for doing nothing. If you do go to one of their team meetings you get a ton of propaganda about what a fantastic lifestyle it is (for them) and how you always have to pay Kleeneze on time.

    And they will try and sell you a load of "accessories" like plastic bags with logos on them and all sorts of other promo stuff that ought to be free.

    In my road a new person tries this every six months or so but they soon realise they have been had. There is a book on doorstep now but it wont get collected.
  • Chorton
    Why on earth would you spend out on all those catalogs and then just post them in letterboxes?

    Why not just talk to the householder and ask if they would be interested in taking a look.

    If they say no move on.
    If they say yes arrange a time for collection.

    Result: no lost catalogs and the ones who say yes are targeted customers.
  • flexrider
    Why on earth would you spend out on all those catalogs and then just post them in letterboxes?

    Why not just talk to the householder and ask if they would be interested in taking a look.

    If they say no move on.
    If they say yes arrange a time for collection.

    Result: no lost catalogs and the ones who say yes are targeted customers.
    Originally posted by Chorton
    With the amount of Hassle i could imagine trying to get em back (knocking on doors in the cold to hear the old excuses "O the dog ***ed on it or chewed it up when you posted it" to "i cant find it"

    To the petrol costs used to visit delivery streets if miles away, and competition of other Distributions around the way trying to make a few quid like yourself it is definably not worth it,

    I got my own business and still get auto emails like this today which make me chuckle because it is lies or a very good imagination.

    "I wish I could earn an extra 50 a week to make ends meet.
    I wish I could find a little part-time job working from home.
    I wish I didn't have to spend all that money on child minders.
    I wish I didn't have to travel to work during the rush hour.
    I wish I could spend more time with the kids.
    I wish I didn't have to wake up to an alarm clock.
    I wish I didn't have to get up quite so early for work.
    I wish I didn't have to ask the boss for time off for school sports day.
    I wish I didn't have to take my holidays when the boss says so.
    I wish I didn't have to give the best part of the day to the boss.
    I wish I didn't have to wait until the end of the month to be paid.
    I wish I could afford to send the kids on school trips.
    I wish I could afford the odd weekend break.
    I wish I could be home when the kids get home from school.
    I wish I had flexible working hours.
    I have made all these dreams come true and more besides.."


    Why not email me at """""" or text me on XXXXX and suggest a good time that I can call you, and let's see if I can make some of your dreams come true.


    Kind regards,
    "MSE Money saving challenges..8/12/13 3,500 saved so far " p.s if i been helpfully please leave me a thank you but seek official advice at all times from a pro
  • Chorton
    There's no hassle getting them back if you've spoken to the householder.

    Posting them through random letterboxes is like doing an expensive leaflet drop, and so your precious catalog is instantly seen as junk mail and consigned to the bin in many cases.

    Direct selling only works when you create a relationship with the people you want to sell to.

    Maybe you were looking for instant results which doesn't happen in any business.
    Whether you own a shop in the high street or are a jobbing builder you have to target your customer.

    In direct sells you carry your storefront in the form of a catalog, you wouldn't leave your high street shop unattended, so why treat your catalogs any different?
  • flexrider
    There's no hassle getting them back if you've spoken to the householder.

    Posting them through random letterboxes is like doing an expensive leaflet drop, and so your precious catalog is instantly seen as junk mail and consigned to the bin in many cases.

    Direct selling only works when you create a relationship with the people you want to sell to.

    Maybe you were looking for instant results which doesn't happen in any business.
    Whether you own a shop in the high street or are a jobbing builder you have to target your customer.

    In direct sells you carry your storefront in the form of a catalog, you wouldn't leave your high street shop unattended, so why treat your catalogs any different?
    Originally posted by Chorton
    But its not direct sales its distence multi level marketing cold calling you still missed a fact out

    For example if you had 25 tescos right next to each other which one would you choose to shop at? The same with kleenze around the area all kleenze does is recruit more and more doorstop sellers in the same areas which causes competition and less money. But more money for catalogues

    Thank you
    "MSE Money saving challenges..8/12/13 3,500 saved so far " p.s if i been helpfully please leave me a thank you but seek official advice at all times from a pro
  • Chorton
    OK instead of 25 Tescos in a row, let's go back to when the high street had all the major supermarkets next door to each other.

    Did you just shop in one, as you may well do now, or did you go from one to the other to find the bargains from each?

    The art of selling is only achieved through relationships. No matter what you are selling and how much competition there is.

    People buy from people.
    Who would you buy from a guy who anomalously sticks a catalog through your door and runs off, or the guy who takes the time to introduce themselves, and demonstrate the benefits of buying from them?

    You may not buy there and then, but you now know what's on offer and if in the future a need arises for a particular product who gets the business?
    Last edited by Chorton; 12-12-2012 at 1:59 PM.
  • PlutoinCapricorn
    This thread seems to be going off topic, but in the world of today people are more and more looking only for the best deal. I don't think that people buy from people - except possibly in small villages.

    I look online for everything. Argos is moving from catalogues to online services in an attempt to survive. You can see demonstration videos online.

    I can't see much future in catalogues and door to door sales: their time is over.
    Who having known the diamond will concern himself with glass?

    Rudyard Kipling


  • Chorton
    What you are doing in essence is buying face to face but the face is corporate.

    You shop where you shop online because you trust the retailer either through personal use or through recommendation.

    Each is a relationship. If you have a bad experience with a retailer you won't recommend and you won't buy from them again.

    Look at how many sites now use social media like Facebook etc for business.

    Macey's for instance is the most liked business page on Facebook with something nearing 10million. Imagine that, every time they post something 10million people see it and all because they have liked their page.

    But the old ways are not obsolete. There are still those who don't have or want to be involved with the Internet age.
    Therefore it will be a few generations yet before the printed word advert is gone for good.
  • googler
    People buy from people.
    Who would you buy from a guy who anomalously sticks a catalog through your door and runs off, or the guy who takes the time to introduce themselves, and demonstrate the benefits of buying from them?
    Originally posted by Chorton
    Neither. I can find no reason to buy the Kleeneze products, when those from Lakeland, for instance, appear to be better quality. Someone once tried to persuade me to join Amway, and I didn't because I honestly couldn't picture anyone buying their nondescript stuff.....
  • karinaf
    I have been delivering these catalogues for 8 months now. It does work but it does take hard work and dedications. Your customer base grows the longer you persever. There are loads of people who still want to buy from catalogues and its true that you will get more customers if you build a relationship with them. I have customers that wont buy from anyone else because of the relationship I have built with them,
    You do have to buy your catalogues, bags etc but how many businesses dont have expenses. I dont know any.
    I personally would recommend giving it a go, but the choice is yours.
    If you do decide to go for it, Good luck, hope you enjoy it as much as me.
  • JDC14
    Because that wasn't the sales spiel of someone looking to recruit themselves.
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