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    • Hoof Hearted
    • By Hoof Hearted 5th Aug 11, 1:05 PM
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    Can a gas safe fitter remove the meter?
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    • 5th Aug 11, 1:05 PM
    Can a gas safe fitter remove the meter? 5th Aug 11 at 1:05 PM
    Having the gas disconnected for building work. The National Grid is doing this for a mere £822 but I have to have the meter removed first. Do I have to get the utility supplier to do this or can I use a gas safe/Corgi bloke?
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  • jalexa
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    • 5th Aug 11, 1:09 PM
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    • 5th Aug 11, 1:09 PM
    Having the gas disconnected for building work. The National Grid is doing this for a mere £822 but I have to have the meter removed first. Do I have to get the utility supplier to do this or can I use a gas safe/Corgi bloke?
    Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
    Yes, no.

    Can't you get National Grid to add that to the quote. Maybe it already is.
    • chanz4
    • By chanz4 5th Aug 11, 2:36 PM
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    • 5th Aug 11, 2:36 PM
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    • 5th Aug 11, 2:36 PM
    no gas safe cant remove, you need to request this via your supplier.
  • eurmalian
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    • 5th Aug 11, 2:42 PM
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    • 5th Aug 11, 2:42 PM
    Yes, it is someone Gas Safe you need. Suppliers only generally remove meters if you want them permanently disconnected (or you've been a naughty, naughty person). If it's just a temporary thing for building work and you want it reconnected after that then it's a job for a Gas Safe engineer.
    Last edited by eurmalian; 05-08-2011 at 2:56 PM.
    I am an employee of British Gas, however the views expressed on this post are mine and do not necessarily reflect the views of Centrica, its subsidiaries or affiliated companies.
  • gas4you
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    • 5th Aug 11, 3:59 PM
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    • 5th Aug 11, 3:59 PM
    Nothing wrong with a gas safe engineer removing the meter. We have to do it all the time when working on gas pipework/soldering etc for safety reasons.

    The supply will have to be disked at the ECV though. You cant just remove it and leave open pipe work.

    They cannot change anything to do with the incoming gas supply to the meter though, but I suspect this is what NG are quoting for.

    If NG are fitting a new supply for you, then this should include the fitting and purging of the meter in its new position.
  • bengasman
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    • 6th Aug 11, 9:54 AM
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    • 6th Aug 11, 9:54 AM
    Having the gas disconnected for building work.
    Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
    Does the work involve changing the service pipe ( street-side of the meter )?

    The National Grid is doing this for a mere £822 but I have to have the meter removed first.
    Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
    Do you mean that there is a need for the meter to be physically removed from its current location, and if so, why?
    • Hoof Hearted
    • By Hoof Hearted 7th Aug 11, 1:56 PM
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    • 7th Aug 11, 1:56 PM
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    • 7th Aug 11, 1:56 PM
    The meter has to be moved as where it is will be demolished. National Grid won't touch the meter. Anyway BG eventually got back to me and are removing the meter at no cost. Eventually, it will go back in an external cupboard. Thanks for all the advice.
    • spiro
    • By spiro 7th Aug 11, 5:10 PM
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    • 7th Aug 11, 5:10 PM
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    • 7th Aug 11, 5:10 PM
    If it's just a temporary thing for building work and you want it reconnected after that then it's a job for a Gas Safe engineer.
    Originally posted by eurmalian
    I dont know who told you that but its illegal. Removing and refitting the meter could be construed as illegal abstraction (theft), so dont even go there. Only the appointed Meter Asset Maintainer can work on the meter.
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  • gas4you
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    • 7th Aug 11, 5:12 PM
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    • 7th Aug 11, 5:12 PM
    Anyone who holds MET1 can work on gas meters.
    • spiro
    • By spiro 8th Aug 11, 7:27 AM
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    Anyone who holds MET1 can work on gas meters.
    Originally posted by gas4you
    Yes but only when insuructed to do so by the gas supplier or meter asset maintainer, they cant just do it at a customers request.
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    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 8th Aug 11, 9:45 AM
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    ah well sounds like bg have got their act together and going to deal with their meter accordingly. so all sorted -
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  • eurmalian
    I dont know who told you that but its illegal. Removing and refitting the meter could be construed as illegal abstraction (theft), so dont even go there. Only the appointed Meter Asset Maintainer can work on the meter.
    Originally posted by spiro
    Do you have anything that you can link me to about that? As I have always believed it to be fine for gas safe to do so as long as the supply is fully capped.

    Abstraction isn't an issue at all, partly because the supply will be stopped for the whole time, but mainly because abstraction is theft of electricity...
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    • Alter ego
    • By Alter ego 8th Aug 11, 10:02 AM
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    Alter ego

    Abstraction isn't an issue at all, partly because the supply will be stopped for the whole time, but mainly because abstraction is theft of electricity...
    by eurmalian;

    Or water, or presumably gas, or any other commodity. Abstraction is the act of removing. What you prob mean is Illegal abstraction.
    Ignore me if you like, it's not the real me anyway.
    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 8th Aug 11, 11:41 AM
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    my understanding is that a gsr can move a meter side if the move is just for decorating etc but in circumstances such as op this is only done by mams or engineer from the gas network who is given permission by the meter owner in this case bg to do so.
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  • eurmalian
    my understanding is that a gsr can move a meter side if the move is just for decorating etc but in circumstances such as op this is only done by mams or engineer from the gas network who is given permission by the meter owner in this case bg to do so.
    Originally posted by lemontart
    That sounds like a different understanding from both mine and spiros, so there's three potential options now. I can't find anything dealing with this one way or another on the internet. I'd really like to know the answer for certain, even if it is that I'm wrong...
    I am an employee of British Gas, however the views expressed on this post are mine and do not necessarily reflect the views of Centrica, its subsidiaries or affiliated companies.
    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 8th Aug 11, 12:20 PM
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    That sounds like a different understanding from both mine and spiros, so there's three potential options now. I can't find anything dealing with this one way or another on the internet. I'd really like to know the answer for certain, even if it is that I'm wrong...
    Originally posted by eurmalian

    Who ever works on the meter must have the appropriate qualifications and be registered as such with the gas safe register - I think we can take that as given, where the confusion seems to lie is the level of work that can be done by a private gsr on the meter. By work I mean resetting the govenor or totally removing the meter etc not the testing of pressure or or for leaks on system.

    There are very few private gsr's that have this license/qualification and each one no doubt has certain jobs they will not do.

    The Meter is either owned or leased by the supplier and any works on t he meter has to be with their permission or done by their meter asset management company. Even in the case of emergency certain companies do not permit post gas emergency work on t he meter by the attending emergency engineer and the customer has to contact their gas supplier to get the meter dealt with.

    In situations such as the op to me whilst they can ask for the meter installation to be included by National Grid this may not always be possible - BG have their own meter asset management company and appear to prefer to have most meter works carried out by them.

    We tend to refer people to their supplier for a temporary move of meter especially if going back to the original position but the op has a permanent move to a new position which is different as involving work on national grid pipes

    http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Gas/Connections/GasServices/GasMeters.htm
    Last edited by lemontart; 08-08-2011 at 12:33 PM.
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    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 8th Aug 11, 12:40 PM
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    oops forgot to add if a meter move of any description means the supply pipe has to be moved then simple answer no the gsr cannot do it as only people permitted to work on supply pipe is the gas network who owns it.
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  • gas4you
    A GSR can remove a meter temporarily to work on the gas carcass, a requirement for safe working, and can move a meter within the radius of the anaconda and the ECV. No permission is need by anyone to do this.

    He cannot adjust the governor WP regardless of whether he holds MET1 or not. He cannot change anything upstream of the ECV, that is for the gas transporter or their appointed agents to do only.

    In the OP's case the complete repositioning of the meter would not be allowed other than by the gas transporter or their appointed representative.
  • eurmalian
    In the OP's case the complete repositioning of the meter would not be allowed other than by the gas transporter or their appointed representative.
    Originally posted by gas4you
    I think they've got that bit sorted. Grid are going to modify the supply, move the piping and re-install the meter once they're finished. The question being asked is who removes the meter so that they can do that.
    I am an employee of British Gas, however the views expressed on this post are mine and do not necessarily reflect the views of Centrica, its subsidiaries or affiliated companies.
    • lemontart
    • By lemontart 8th Aug 11, 1:24 PM
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    I think they've got that bit sorted. Grid are going to modify the supply, move the piping and re-install the meter once they're finished. The question being asked is who removes the meter so that they can do that.
    Originally posted by eurmalian
    The gas supplier in this case as it total removal for move of supply or their appointed meter asset management company.

    Fairly safe to to say if in doubt at any time check with your supplier with regards to permissions
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