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  • ozskin
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:10 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:10 PM
    you need to be a bit more specific. list exactly what you propose to have done and then we can try and advise
  • LizzieandThomas
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:28 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:28 PM
    Sorry, basically just the fitting of new toilet sink and bath. we will probably remove old one to save on costs. You can tell i dont have a clue cant you !
    • flang
    • By flang 26th Dec 06, 10:38 PM
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    flang
    • #4
    • 26th Dec 06, 10:38 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:38 PM
    The bathroom in my house cost just under £2000 which included wall tiles.
    I dont know how reasonable this is as the previous owners had it fitted.
    Have you considered fitting it youself? its pretty easy if your fairly good at DIY.
  • LizzieandThomas
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:52 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:52 PM
    Im not good at diy - may try and convince the other half. thanks
    • Alikay
    • By Alikay 26th Dec 06, 10:57 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:57 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:57 PM
    We're having a new suite fitted in a couple of weeks. It will cost £1500 to supply and fit bath, toilet, basin and full height tiles on one 6ft wall plus full height tiles the on about 2.5 ft on the other wall.
    The tiles are cheapish ones, and the suite is the armitage shanks standard one with the basic taps.
    • flang
    • By flang 26th Dec 06, 10:57 PM
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    flang
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:57 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 10:57 PM
    Plumbing is very easy to do nowdays especially whith the plastic snap together pipes!
  • b21playa
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    • 26th Dec 06, 11:28 PM
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    • 26th Dec 06, 11:28 PM
    defo try yourself if you got some knowledge

    im doing the majority of the work myself on my house renovation, and the bathroom will be a part of it. i got shower, bather, sink, toilet to fit and fully file it out
  • BobProperty
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    • 27th Dec 06, 2:18 PM
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    • 27th Dec 06, 2:18 PM
    Plumbing is very easy to do nowdays especially whith the plastic snap together pipes!
    by flang
    Except when they come apart as in "The million pound property experiment" or the cowboy left the inserts out.
    Back to the OP, a straight swap (no re-locating any of the elements, no swapping which end the taps on the bath are etc.) with no tiling, existing pipework being OK and any other caveats I can think of before I quote for the job I say would be in the region of £300-£400 (and that's depending on where you are e.g. not in the Home counties, central London etc.). Problems to watch out for are when you want to do the tiling and being left without a working toilet, both of which can affect the price. (two visits not one)
    This is one of those jobs that you really want to see, check out and discuss with the customer first. Not least to make sure the "shed" you bought the suite from gave you everything you need too!
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    • plumb1
    • By plumb1 27th Dec 06, 5:17 PM
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    plumb1
    £350 for a swop inc materials
  • travel_freak
    Replacing cistern?
    A little bit off topic but, I have a broken cistern, it seems old and may be difficult to get parts for, is it possible to just take the cistern (top bit) off, leaving the lower bit in place?

    Are cisterns kind of universal or would i need to be careful that the one I was getting was suitable first, to fir the lower bit?

    Is this a DIY job (thought I might ask my Dad very nicely!) and if so any tips or hazards to watch out for?

    Many thanks and sorry to go slightly off topic.
  • BobProperty
    A little bit off topic but, I have a broken cistern, it seems old and may be difficult to get parts for, is it possible to just take the cistern (top bit) off, leaving the lower bit in place?

    Are cisterns kind of universal or would i need to be careful that the one I was getting was suitable first, to fir the lower bit?

    Is this a DIY job (thought I might ask my Dad very nicely!) and if so any tips or hazards to watch out for?

    Many thanks and sorry to go slightly off topic.
    by travel_freak
    Some info on here:http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/toilets.htm
    First significant question is: What has actually broke? Closely followed by: Is it low level or close coupled? (see link)
    Almost all the inside parts are "replaceable". A low level cistern can be replaced with something similar, but a close coupled cistern needs to match the pan that it sits on.
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  • travel_freak
    Thanks BobProperty,

    What a great and useful link - I'll be keeping a note of that somewhere safe!

    From the picture, it's a close coupled. Basically it won't flush when you push the lever - I can see the bit that's broken - a strangely shaped plastic bit which seems to connect the handle/lever to something else inside that makes it flush (yes I do realise how thick I sound!).

    One builder said he may be able to get parts for it although it's old, another said he woudn't and I'd have to replace the cistern.

    Maybe I'll take the offending plastic bit to a plumbing shop and ask them first or try and persuade the Dad to take a look.

    Regards
  • BobProperty
    ......From the picture, it's a close coupled. Basically it won't flush when you push the lever - I can see the bit that's broken - a strangely shaped plastic bit which seems to connect the handle/lever to something else inside that makes it flush (yes I do realise how thick I sound!).
    by travel_freak
    If the handle move freely and does nothing it is the arm you describe as "a strangely shaped plastic bit" Does it look like the plastic bit on this:
    http://www.toolstation.com/search.html?searchstr=70180
    One builder said he may be able to get parts for it although it's old, another said he woudn't and I'd have to replace the cistern.
    by travel_freak
    A house isn't a home without a cat.
    Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.
    I have writer's block - I can't begin to tell you about it.
    You told me again you preferred handsome men but for me you would make an exception.
    It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours.
  • travel_freak
    Hello BobProperty,

    Yes from memory the handle moves completely freely but nothing happens. The plastic bit is similar-ish to plastic bit on the end of the metal rod in your picture except it seems much larger and (again from memory) is more of a rhombus shape. Sorry to be vague.

    At least that's a start, I now know what it's called(!) - would you suggest I just take that bit down to a plumber's shop for advice as to whether they can replace it?

    Unfortunately at the moment I can't find the stopcock to turn off the water supply in the flat so I can't get further inside the cistern to take other bits out. I think I may need firstly to get a plumber in to locate the stopcock or if it can't be found to install one (?) before I can safely turn off the water and then have a bit of a fiddle inside the cistern. Oh joy!

    Thanks again.
    REgards
  • BobProperty
    .....Yes from memory the handle moves completely freely but nothing happens. The plastic bit is similar-ish to plastic bit on the end of the metal rod in your picture except it seems much larger and (again from memory) is more of a rhombus shape. Sorry to be vague.
    by travel_freak
    Don't worry they come in various shapes and sizes. Taking it out and to a plumber's merchant or B&Q Wickes type place and you should find a match. You can always cut a bit off the end if it's too long.
    .....Unfortunately at the moment I can't find the stopcock to turn off the water supply in the flat so I can't get further inside the cistern to take other bits out. I think I may need firstly to get a plumber in to locate the stopcock or if it can't be found to install one (?) before I can safely turn off the water and then have a bit of a fiddle inside the cistern.....
    by travel_freak
    You shouldn't need to turn the water off. This is part of the mechanism that gets the water out of the cistern and into the pan, not the incoming valve which controls water that fills the cistern. That's assuming you are 100% right in what you are identifying
    A house isn't a home without a cat.
    Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.
    I have writer's block - I can't begin to tell you about it.
    You told me again you preferred handsome men but for me you would make an exception.
    It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours.
  • ozskin
    I wish bob property and plumb 1 lived near me, maybe they do. I agree thats what it should cost but the previous posts for a complete job and tiles of around 1500-2000 is more like what we come across every day. we pretty much stopped providing a fitting service a few years ago because of plumbers charges and the hassle of managing sub contractors, cause at 200ish per day average where we are, and its a long long way from london, you can hardly add anything for managing them at these prices. if bob or plumb ever want a job at these call me. plumbers now often charge a hefty premium for their work
  • BobProperty
    The answer is that the amount of work involved in doing a proper job including the preparation work, repairs, tiling and getting round all the problems that crop up. That where the cost is. If all a job involved was a straight swap of sanitary ware then there wouldn't be much of a challenge in the job.
    My location and plumb1's are shown, but I think you are "down south" to us ozskin

    and as for charging "a hefty premium for their work" :
    1. Don't start that again Plumbers and Premium Rates
    2. I'm trying my best to
    A house isn't a home without a cat.
    Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.
    I have writer's block - I can't begin to tell you about it.
    You told me again you preferred handsome men but for me you would make an exception.
    It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours.
    • plumb1
    • By plumb1 29th Dec 06, 10:39 AM
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    plumb1
    Yes it sounds like the link arm that has broken, 90% off the time very easy to replace, but some times you have saw them off.
    pop down to you local plumbers merchant and you will be able to buy one for a couple of quid.
    They also do 1 made of brass, which is easyier to fit and will give you more adjustment.

    If you take the cistern lid off, you should still be able to flush your toilet, there is a hook attacted to the syphon( which the link arm attaches) just pull that up.
  • travel_freak
    Thank you so much BobProperty and Plumb1 for all your help. You are both stars!

    I second Ozskin's thoughts - I wish you both lived near me, but sadly I see your locations and you're both miles away, never mind!

    Best wishes,
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