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Old 17-05-2011, 4:36 PM
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Hello,

I am 25 years old and work part-time in a supermarket (12 hours per week or so). I am diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD, plus depression and anxiety. This impairs my ability to communicate and socialise, and my memory, concentration, etc. I currently receive DLA for the care my parents provide for me.

While I can usually manage 12 hours, I don't feel like I could cope with working much more or even full-time. Working with people (customers and co-workers) is mentally/emotionally draining and I'm usually really fatigued at the end of my shift, which can sometimes trigger my depression. It usually takes a day or two to fully recover. I try to work because it forces me to be around people for a little while, so I'm not completely isolated. I don't usually go out to socialise much at all, except maybe once in a blue moon to the cinema or to my NAS support group.

I was wondering if it would be worth applying for ESA? Or will they think if I can work 12 hours, then I can work full stop?

I know there is "permitted work" up to 16 hours/95 per week, but is this any work, or some special Job Centre approved work?

I did an online test and apparantly I scored 36, but that may be a bit much as I'm not sure I interpreted the questions properly. I've read a few guides though.

The descriptors that I thought may apply to me are :-

11. Learning tasks

12. Awareness of everyday hazards (such as boiling water or sharp objects).

Initiating and completing personal action (which means planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks).

14. Coping with change

15. Getting about

16. Coping with social engagement due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder

17. Appropriateness of behaviour with other people, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder

If I'm not entitled to this, would there be any other benefits to help raise my income?
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Old 17-05-2011, 4:43 PM
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I don't think you'd be able to claim ESA as you are working though I don't know that for certain. You may be able to claim income support
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Disabled...rt/DG_10020535

If you put your details into the turn2us calculator it'll give you an idea of what you may be able to claim.
http://www.turn2us.org.uk/benefits_search.aspx
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Old 17-05-2011, 7:10 PM
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Thanks for the response!

I tried the test and it said I might be entitled to income support. However, if I am claiming on grounds of disability, won't they tell me to apply for ESA?

It says it's for people who aren't on JSA/ESA, would this include me if I can work, but only a limited number of hours?
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Old 17-05-2011, 7:12 PM
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Thanks for the response!

I tried the test and it said I might be entitled to income support. However, if I am claiming on grounds of disability, won't they tell me to apply for ESA?

It says it's for people who aren't on JSA/ESA, would this include me if I can work, but only a limited number of hours?
That was repealled last year.
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Old 17-05-2011, 7:37 PM
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That was repealled last year.
Can you explain what you mean? This whole benefits thing is nearly impossible to get my head around.
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Old 17-05-2011, 8:11 PM
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Interestingly, I found this communitycare.co.uk/Articles/2009/10/13/112819/People-with-autism-the-struggle-to-gain-benefits-and-find.htm

ase study PETER GRIFFIN: Astrophysicist and supermarket worker
'When you get ESA, they throw roadblocks at you"
eter Griffin, 29, has an IQ of 159 and a degree in astrophysics. He also has Asperger's syndrome and works in a supermarket one day a week. He cannot cope with more. "I can barely manage it because presenting as normal for a long time is draining, but having nothing at all in my week would be worse," he says.
His ideal job is to teach maths to A-level students and those in further education. "I think it's achievable if he's given the right amount of support," says his mother, Ann.
Meanwhile, Griffin is on ESA, but found the process of applying "problematic".
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Old 17-05-2011, 8:25 PM
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I thought you couldnt get income support if you lived with your parents.

What income do you have altogether.
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I thought you couldnt get income support if you lived with your parents.

What income do you have altogether.
Wrong, it depend on the individual/their partners cercumstances and not anyone else in the household.
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I thought you couldnt get income support if you lived with your parents.

What income do you have altogether.
Well the form just mentions partners it seems. Although, I think it did mention household savings/income, but maybe that includes parents?

The reason I was looking into this in the first place was because I was considering renting my own house. I thought being more independent would be good for me. Although I'd probably be entitled to housing benefit, I don't know if I could afford to live alone on my small income.
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Sorry, I thaought that IS is calculated on household income, which would include his parent income, after all living with parents would only invollve actual living costs as bed and board.
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Ok, I rang the Social Security Office (in Northern Ireland) - they said I wouldn't be entitled to IS as I'm not a lone parent, claiming IB, etc.

The guy said I could try for JSA, and when I said won't they expect me to look for full time work, he said well technically, but they probably wouldn't say anything (isn't this fraud?).
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Ok, I rang the Social Security Office (in Northern Ireland) - they said I wouldn't be entitled to IS as I'm not a lone parent, claiming IB, etc.

The guy said I could try for JSA, and when I said won't they expect me to look for full time work, he said well technically, but they probably wouldn't say anything (isn't this fraud?).
I told you that IS for disabled people has been repealled, you arnt entitled to JSA either and your right it would be fraud to sign on and claim to be looking for work when your not.

The only solution is to work 16 hours as Ive said or manage on what you get because there are no benefits for someone in your situation.

I dont understand the phrase " I get DLA care for the help my parents give me" as it dosnt make sense, you get DLA for care needs and not for care your parents give you.
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You can claim ESA and do permitted work. Just dont expect to stay on it for a long time as the test is pretty tough and ATOS are taking over soon - not sure if that will or should make a difference.

If you sign on JSA they should adapt your agreement to be a bit more understanding. That is the way it is supposed to be.

If you do go for ESA you can makre your claim over the phone.
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Old 18-05-2011, 7:36 PM
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hi

i have aspergers & depression too and i work one day a week at the moment. i totally understand about not being able to do more, it is so exhausting...

depending on how much you earn and how old you are, you could sign on for JSA. If you do that, as being a disabled person you can specify the hours you wish to work. I am on jobseekers and i was able to specifiy the hours i look for due to this. i also see a disability employment advisor which is really helpful.

you might want to think about simlar hours/or slightly more but a different role, is there something else you could do which involves less social interaction (if that would help?).

but as others have rightly said , only sign on if you are looking for work.
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I told you that IS for disabled people has been repealled, you arnt entitled to JSA either and your right it would be fraud to sign on and claim to be looking for work when your not.
No, what actually happened was -

I said:

"Thanks for the response!

I tried the test and it said I might be entitled to income support. However, if I am claiming on grounds of disability, won't they tell me to apply for ESA?

It says it's for people who aren't on JSA/ESA, would this include me if I can work, but only a limited number of hours?"


then you replied:

"That was repealled last year."

I had no idea what you meant. (disabled people claiming IS was repealed? or disabled people NOT claiming IS was repealled??)

So I asked:

"Can you explain what you mean? This whole benefits thing is nearly impossible to get my head around."

But you didn't reply..
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The only solution is to work 16 hours as Ive said or manage on what you get because there are no benefits for someone in your situation.
Case study PETER GRIFFIN: Astrophysicist and supermarket worker
'When you get ESA, they throw roadblocks at you"
eter Griffin, 29, has an IQ of 159 and a degree in astrophysics. He also has Asperger's syndrome and works in a supermarket one day a week. He cannot cope with more. "I can barely manage it because presenting as normal for a long time is draining, but having nothing at all in my week would be worse," he says.
His ideal job is to teach maths to A-level students and those in further education. "I think it's achievable if he's given the right amount of support," says his mother, Ann.
Meanwhile, Griffin is on ESA, but found the process of applying "problematic".

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I dont understand the phrase " I get DLA care for the help my parents give me" as it dosnt make sense, you get DLA for care needs and not for care your parents give you.
Yes, I get DLA for my care needs, which my parents provide.
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I think what Sunnyone is trying to say is that Income Support can no longer be claimed by those who have a health condition. Those who have existing awards will soon be moved off Income Support altogether and the benefit wound down until Universal Credit can take over.

If you are capable of some work then you can claim JSA and have your agreement reflect that.

Alternatively you can claim ESA and so long as your doctor will give you sicklines you will get paid until the medical takes place.

On ESA you can do a certain amount of work and it wont be taken into account. On JSA it is taken into account.
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I think what Sunnyone is trying to say is that Income Support can no longer be claimed by those who have a health condition. Those who have existing awards will soon be moved off Income Support altogether and the benefit wound down until Universal Credit can take over.
Thanks for explaining

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If you are capable of some work then you can claim JSA and have your agreement reflect that.
This is what confuses me, because several people have told me I could go on JSA, and tell them I an do limited hours. But doesn't that mean I would have to look for another job with those hours, even though I already have one?
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hi

i have aspergers & depression too and i work one day a week at the moment. i totally understand about not being able to do more, it is so exhausting...

depending on how much you earn and how old you are, you could sign on for JSA. If you do that, as being a disabled person you can specify the hours you wish to work. I am on jobseekers and i was able to specifiy the hours i look for due to this. i also see a disability employment advisor which is really helpful.

you might want to think about simlar hours/or slightly more but a different role, is there something else you could do which involves less social interaction (if that would help?).

but as others have rightly said , only sign on if you are looking for work.
Well, actually, one of the reasons that I have stayed on in this current job for so long (3.5 years, which is longest I've spent in any job), is because I'm not stuck behind a desk/checkout all day with no where to escape if I'm overwhelmed.

I usually work on the shop floor, and if customers are getting too much, I can hide in the warehouse and do some work out there (tidying, clearing waste, etc). Same if co-workers are getting too much - I can find somewhere to go where I will be alone for a while. Also, you're mostly left alone to get on with your work. So I'd be afraid of leaving the frying pan and jumping into fire in an even worse job.

Despite all this, I am still around lots of people, which is mentally draining. Also, another thing which I find really difficult to deal with is when I am in the staff canteen, and a large group of people are sitting chatting and laughing together, and I am sitting in the corner alone. It's just a painful reminder of how different/odd I am, as I can't participate in their fun. Reminds me of being in school.
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totally understand.
so if you stay in your job - could you increase your hours to 16 hours and then you could claim working tax credit to top up your income?
it may help if you state how much you earn at the moment and people could help you work out a possble budget for indepedant living.
also you could rent somewhere , you don't have to be on a benefit to qualify for help with your rent. you can make a claim based on your present income. you can check what you might recieve by looking up the housing page on your local council website. however - i am assuming you are under 25 - this amount may be limited. however depending on what rate of DLA you get - this may not apply.
again it may help to post more details of your income/earnings for people to advise.
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