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    • Mike307
    • By Mike307 18th Apr 11, 3:09 PM
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    los pandos vineyard
    • #1
    • 18th Apr 11, 3:09 PM
    los pandos vineyard 18th Apr 11 at 3:09 PM

    has anybody had any dealings with Los Pandos? - ROI seems to good to be true

    "Genius is eternal patience."
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    • coyrls
    • By coyrls 14th Aug 14, 6:09 PM
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    Recently, we have had two emails from M&C stating that we will get our money plus compensation next year.
    We just have to wait and see. They seem to be blaming the authorities in the UK for not releasing the money.
    My question is, that if that is the case, where is the money?
    We dealt with LLP in Bristol, who are SIPP management people; however, we have heard nothing from them about fees.
    The water seems to be getting murkier and murkier.
    Originally posted by cidermill
    I'm really sorry to say this but from the outside the waters seem very clear: you are not going to get your money back.
    • dealer wins
    • By dealer wins 14th Aug 14, 8:07 PM
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    dealer wins
    I'm really sorry to say this but from the outside the waters seem very clear: you are not going to get your money back.
    Originally posted by coyrls
    And be VERY careful, it can be easy to be scammed out of further amounts of money at this stage.

    Do NOT part with any more money to anyone/companies saying that for a fee they can guarantee your money back!
    Choose life
    • ffacoffipawb
    • By ffacoffipawb 15th Aug 14, 8:47 AM
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    This can still be invested in ....
    • glamdring
    • By glamdring 22nd Aug 14, 11:16 AM
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    the money was released from the UK....the face have no control over where nor when the money was released...the issue is the money was released from the trustees companies who did no due diligence on the investment...the money wwas forwarded to a martin and clews account then transferred to accounts held by the criminals running this scam. The SIPP providers are in for a very sharp shock soon as the business model they have all been using is inadequate and has thusfar been unregulated. Therefore the SIPP providers have been able to do whatever they want....and take no responsibility for anything...yet think they can charge nieve investors a fortune for this pleasure. Its an utter joke from beginning to end..a joke that has been able to go on for way too long. If anybody hasnt already I would get a complaint in quick with the ombudsman. Take a look at !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and and read the articles with regards to current clampdowns on SIPP providers. The FCA have been issueing warnings to the SIPP providers for 2years and none of them seem to have done a thing. Typical pension companies thinking they can do whatever they want and nodoy can say a thing. Well I have been fighting my SIPP provider for 30months with the FCA and there time is about up!
    • glamdring
    • By glamdring 22nd Aug 14, 11:17 AM
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    • In For A Penny
    • By In For A Penny 22nd Aug 14, 3:35 PM
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    In For A Penny
    Originally posted by ffacoffipawb
    "Fixed returns between 30% and 39%". Sounds almost too good to be true.
    • quest944
    • By quest944 26th Aug 14, 3:16 PM
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    Martin and Clews used a firm called One Stop Financial Services also with dealings in Los Pandos. The have since been subject to dealings with FCA for mis selling unregulated investments into SIPP funds.
    • pip895
    • By pip895 26th Aug 14, 6:21 PM
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    An interesting thread - would almost be funny if it wasnt for the realisation that some of those caught out could probably ill afford the loss. Why did people not smell a rat when they were offered over 10% return/anum at a time when the going rate was only 3 or 4% ??!!
    • glamdring
    • By glamdring 1st Oct 14, 10:24 AM
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    Anybody had any further regular contact from Stadia Trustees lately?
    • trevorphillip
    • By trevorphillip 9th Oct 14, 2:31 PM
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    re Stadia Los Pandos
    I have received two emails this week One is from Martin Clews re more information going to released soon ( I cant wait for the next load of crap) and the other one is slightly more interesting from a Spanish reporter who is investigating Los Pandos and who has apparently "useful information" who works and based in Almansa in Spain, mailed back but not had a reply yet.

    The time is coming soon when Stadia will send me another account for their fees for managing my fund along with some other projected figures produced in a very expensive office on a very expensive computor by some one who hasn't a clue where Spain is telling me how well my fund is going! strangely and this may come as shock to Stadia, I dont have the money! Band 3 NHS. £18k per year Tough choice, feed my children and pay my mortgage or pay Stadia? Answers on a post card please?
    Will keep you posted
    • trevorphillip
    • By trevorphillip 16th Oct 14, 9:57 PM
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    Los Pandos
    Martin and Clews used a firm called One Stop Financial Services also with dealings in Los Pandos. The have since been subject to dealings with FCA for mis selling unregulated investments into SIPP funds.
    Originally posted by quest944
    Any one know if this company was owned by the one and only Mr Terry Wright who set up Planning For Retirement and Swiss Capita?

  • save our money
    Bad news re this investment. I have heard from some one in Spain that Los Pandos is finished. No official planning application has ever been submitted to any council and if it did it wouldn't fit in with the agreed local plans for Almansa.
    The high speed rail link is over 30K away and has ever been planned to go any where near Los Pandos The local councillor who Clews was dealing with has been removed from office.
    Its also questionable if the vine yard has produced any win in the past ten years? Its easy to stick labels on bottles as a give away. And Mr Martin has gone very very quiet. Probably because all his papers and accounts have been seized by the Agencia Tributaria Spanish Tax Fraud Agency.
    Maybe some of the English Sipps Companies would like share what they know? Your due diligence is non existent or you are knowingly implicated is a massive scam.
    form an investors view and a lot of research the money is lost.
  • save our money
    And that's why the updates have slowed down to nothing. Martin and Clews have run out of excuses and investors money. I hope Senor Martin is reading this and will come clean because he is no longer answering emails. Think Spanish Tax Fraud Agency will put him away for a long time.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 12th Nov 14, 11:51 AM
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    Just a general comment but i have family living in Spain and it is clear that much of the country, especially the Costas, are simply rampant with top down corruption and black money. When you go on holiday a good proportion of those people in fast cars, nice yachts and sporting bling in dumps like Marbella have made it through crime and corruption.

    It is sad to read of people who are likely to loose what for them may be big money and the chances of the instigators being brought to justice, slim.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
  • Maples68
    Hello All

    Just been reading through the thread. I have a SIPP with Stadia that was originally sold by Financial planning for retirement. I spoke to Stadia a few weeks ago as my 3 years is up and i wanted to transfer it out. But the issue is you cant transfer it to a pension provider it has to be another SIPP - who are obvisouly NOT going to touch it!!
    Luckily mine was only a pension fund and not savings, but they are eating £900 a year of this and its obviously going to be gone. So ill have to start my pension fund again!
    I fell for it only because I was given £1000 to transfer my funds, as I was unemployed at the time and needed the got me while I was down!
    But Stadia take my £900 from my pension fund so where is this coming from if this pot of money doesnt exsist any more. So they must be involved in the scam too?
    But having read through this thread ive just called them again and they said that they are waiting on the los pandos investment details to come back?
    If anyone does know of anything we can do as a group of people, then I would be happy to join and help??
    But for the moment im going to right this off as a bad joke :-(
    • trevorphillip
    • By trevorphillip 13th Dec 14, 8:34 PM
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    re email
    Maples 68. Can you email me at and I will explain all! Not good news
    • glamdring
    • By glamdring 22nd Dec 14, 10:40 AM
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    I am in exactly the same position as yourself. I would advise you to make a complaint to the financial omsbudsman asap
    • trevorphillip
    • By trevorphillip 9th Jan 15, 10:24 AM
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    From the last news letter it appears that Martin and Clews are more intent on issuing legal proceedings against people posting info on forums than returning money to investors. Now that's shamefull. The news letters are sent out by Martin and Clews but there is never any hard core or documentary evidence to back the claims made in them. Information I received from a Spanish contact cotradicts all Martin and clews are saying re planning applications.
    • trevorphillip
    • By trevorphillip 9th Jan 15, 11:00 AM
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    I have emailed Martin and Clews to ask for any documentary evidence regarding the claims they are making. Its interesting Deloit are denying any involvement with Los Pandos
    • glamdring
    • By glamdring 12th Jan 15, 11:35 AM
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    I contacted delloitte six months ago and spoke to their representative in spain. They are not involved in this project. I have also had a conversation with Eduardo Martin following the latest report and his claims that comments made on line by disgruntled investors is harming the investment. His comments with regards to getting solicitors to deal with this are transparent. I told Eduardo that I welcomed any legal confrontation.It is Eduardo who is manipulating the situation by trying to get disgruntled investors to shut up. This is a ponzi scam and has been going on for years. I have found information making the same planning permission claims from ten years ago. Martin & Clews have no money and are trying to get more peopole to invest to invest to repay what they owe...the result being that more unfortunate people will just be out of pocket. Ask Eduardo where Mike Clews his partner is and he will ignore you...try it lol. Its a sham and always has been.
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