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  • Jowo
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    • 6th Apr 11, 7:33 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 7:33 PM
    Here is an introduction to ESA on the Direct gov website. ESA is quite different to how IB is assessed.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/FinancialSupport/esa/index.htm
  • OneHubbyOneSon4Debts
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    • 6th Apr 11, 7:42 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 7:42 PM
    Thanks for the link Jowo.

    I've been reading up about ESA but still can't seem to find if they actually use points for certain questions or if they use another method now.
  • Jowo
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    • 6th Apr 11, 7:50 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 7:50 PM
    Yes, points are awarded. Here is a link to the descriptors.

    There are 3 possible ways to pass this test:
    - Some people are treated as having limited capability for work because they have a specified condition or are undergoing specified forms of treatment. If none of those apply:
    - They have to score 15 points under the points based assessment. Or
    - If certain exceptional circumstances apply a person can still be treated as having limited capability even if they do not score 15 points.


    http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/wr_esadescriptorshome
  • OneHubbyOneSon4Debts
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:04 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:04 PM
    Yes, points are awarded. Here is a link to the descriptors.

    There are 3 possible ways to pass this test:
    - Some people are treated as having limited capability for work because they have a specified condition or are undergoing specified forms of treatment. If none of those apply:
    - They have to score 15 points under the points based assessment. Or
    - If certain exceptional circumstances apply a person can still be treated as having limited capability even if they do not score 15 points.


    http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/wr_esadescriptorshome
    Originally posted by Jowo

    This was exactly the type of info I was searching for.

    Many many thanks Jowo, your a star!
    • alexandrajj
    • By alexandrajj 6th Apr 11, 8:42 PM
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    alexandrajj
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:42 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:42 PM
    So you have to score at least 15 points to get ESA bu how many do you need to get put into the support group of ESA please?

    TIA
    • stazi
    • By stazi 6th Apr 11, 8:48 PM
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    stazi
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:48 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:48 PM
    15 points
    More infor here-
    http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/wr_esadescriptorslcwranew1
    • alexandrajj
    • By alexandrajj 6th Apr 11, 8:59 PM
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    alexandrajj
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:59 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 8:59 PM
    Thank you Stazi. So if it's 15 points for the support group, how many points to get put inthe work related group? How many points to be put-on JSA?

    TIA
  • bertiebat
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    • 6th Apr 11, 9:19 PM
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    • 6th Apr 11, 9:19 PM
    Thank you Stazi. So if it's 15 points for the support group, how many points to get put inthe work related group? How many points to be put-on JSA?

    TIA
    Originally posted by alexandrajj
    Stazi's post is misleading on this. It's 15 points to get ESA at all, but the criteria for the support group is not points based.

    To get into the support group you need to meet the criteria for the Limited capability for work related activity test (included in his link).

    JSA has nothing to do with ESA, but is another available out of work benefit and requires a separate application (and a requirement to look for work).
    Last edited by bertiebat; 06-04-2011 at 9:29 PM.
    • richard9991
    • By richard9991 6th Apr 11, 9:22 PM
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    richard9991
    Thank you Stazi. So if it's 15 points for the support group, how many points to get put inthe work related group? How many points to be put-on JSA?

    TIA
    Originally posted by alexandrajj
    you need 15 points for either
    wrag or support group other critira has to be satisied to detirmin which group the dm will put you into
    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/FinancialSupport/esa/DG_172032
    • alexandrajj
    • By alexandrajj 6th Apr 11, 9:42 PM
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    alexandrajj
    I just want to make sure I have understood this correctly. You need 15 points to get ESA (either group).( Does anyone have a link to the full list of descriptors please?) however, to be put in the support group you need to score at least 15 points on specific questions (the limited capability to work questions)

    Have I got this right?

    TIA
    • stazi
    • By stazi 6th Apr 11, 10:05 PM
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    stazi
    See DMG memo 06/11 attached-
    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/m-06-11.pdf
    • alexandrajj
    • By alexandrajj 6th Apr 11, 10:29 PM
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    alexandrajj
    See DMG memo 06/11 attached-
    http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/m-06-11.pdf
    Originally posted by stazi
    Thank you Stazi. What does the acronym LCWRA stand for please?
    • Cpt.Scarlet
    • By Cpt.Scarlet 6th Apr 11, 11:47 PM
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    Cpt.Scarlet
    You don't need 15 points to be put into the Support Group, that is just for the WRAG. For the SG you need to meet one or more or the criteria.

    LCWRA - is Limited Capability for Work Related Activity.
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