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    • Eliza
    • By Eliza 29th Jun 10, 2:52 PM
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    What is included in a car service?
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    • 29th Jun 10, 2:52 PM
    What is included in a car service? 29th Jun 10 at 2:52 PM
    Dear helpful people

    In the past I've used a particular garage for MOT/Servicing as it was near to work, but now I no longer work there I've chosen another garage which came recommended. When I asked for a service and MOT they asked what kind of service?

    Now I don't really know. The previous garage always did a pre MOT check and an annual service, which I know covered air filter, oil, various levels etc but to be honest I don't know what else - I just thought a service is a service.

    Although I don't feel I was taken for a ride by the previous garage, anything that needed doing, such as bald tyres etc was usually pretty obvious and they didn't blind me with mechanical science, I can see that my naivety gives the opportunity for big expensive bills.

    What should be included in a basic/ annual service? My car is 4WD, petrol. I live in a very rural area and the poor car has had a hard year what with the weather, rutted farm tracks and me throwing it round country lanes and steep hills. If they do a 'basic service' whatever that is, should I ask them to check anything else specific to my car? I'd really like to be as precise as possible with my request to them but don't want them to waste their time and my money looking at unnecessaries!

    Thanks

    Liz
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  • nullogik
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    • 29th Jun 10, 2:55 PM
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    • 29th Jun 10, 2:55 PM
    If you want to go by the manufacturers recommendations as to what to service then have a look in your handbook or service history booklet.

    Most will tell you what parts need to be looked at or changed at xxxxx miles or xx months.

    In terms of a "basic annual service" I would have the oil and filter changed. The air filter, check and top up/replace other fluids (coolant, tranny fluid, windscreen washer, power steering etc), ignition leads and spark plugs - all dependant on when these were last done. Your garage should be able to advise when to change these if you can tell them when say the coolant/spark plugs etc. were last replaced.

    A general inspection of the braking and suspension system periodically is recommended.
    Last edited by nullogik; 29-06-2010 at 3:01 PM.
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    • Eliza
    • By Eliza 29th Jun 10, 2:59 PM
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    • 29th Jun 10, 2:59 PM
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    • 29th Jun 10, 2:59 PM
    If you want to go by the manufacturers recommendations as to what to service then have a look in your handbook or service history booklet.

    Most will tell you what parts need to be looked at or changed at xxxxx miles or xx months.
    Originally posted by nullogik
    thanks, I'll see if I can find it! I didn't think of that! I've had it a while - it's Y reg - so maybe there are different things to look at because it's not very new.

    thanks again

    And thanks also for the additional info in your edited bit!
    Last edited by Eliza; 29-06-2010 at 3:00 PM. Reason: additional response
    • steveo3002
    • By steveo3002 29th Jun 10, 4:35 PM
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    • 29th Jun 10, 4:35 PM
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    • 29th Jun 10, 4:35 PM
    its usualy a small service = oil change and kick tyres

    big service , will be spark plugs filters , hopefully wheels off to check the brakes and a good look round

    but on top of that there maybe extra stuff done by time /milage like the cam belt , brake fluid and gear /axle top ups

    find a decent garage you trust , they should be able to look over it and say what needs attn
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 1st Jul 10, 12:56 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 12:56 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 12:56 AM
    Mum phoned tonight with a similar question. Been told kwitfit do an MOT and service for £99.

    They do an oil change for £30 - £40

    Interim service for £99-£120

    Full service £200+

    Oil change = just the oil & filter, probably a call saying you need new brakes & tyres though.

    Interim = oil change and they check the washer fluid and brake/clutch fluids. seems like a non bargain to me. £60 to check the fluid levels?

    Full service = oil & filter, Fuel filter if required, air filter. Extra £100+ ouch..

    Sensible price for an oil change but anything after that is very expensive.
  • HouseHuntr
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    • 1st Jul 10, 1:03 AM
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    Whatever you do DO NOT go to a KWIK FIT or LEX AUTOCENTRE for any kind of maintenance work on your car. These people are nothing but grease monkies who've had no proper training for your type of vehicle and will do more harm than good with their incorrect and unrequired diagnosis of faults.


    AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE !!!!!!!!
    • Eliza
    • By Eliza 1st Jul 10, 7:52 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 7:52 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 7:52 AM
    Ok then, so it looks like I need to list oil change and filter; air filter;fluids; points/plugs/leads plus anything else in the handbook. Nothing has been done since the last service this time last year other than a couple of new tyres.

    Then on top of that, check brakes and anything else that is needed for the MOT.

    Would you say that's about right? So what might this cost me?

    Thanks very much
    • cyclonebri1
    • By cyclonebri1 1st Jul 10, 8:50 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 8:50 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 8:50 AM
    Whatever you do DO NOT go to a KWIK FIT or LEX AUTOCENTRE for any kind of maintenance work on your car. These people are nothing but grease monkies who've had no proper training for your type of vehicle and will do more harm than good with their incorrect and unrequired diagnosis of faults.


    AVOID THEM LIKE THE PLAGUE !!!!!!!!
    Originally posted by HouseHuntr
    Just thought I'd give that another airing
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    Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.

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    • steveo3002
    • By steveo3002 1st Jul 10, 9:04 AM
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    • 1st Jul 10, 9:04 AM
    it wont have points unless its early 80s or older , plug leads stay until they play up
    • cyclonebri1
    • By cyclonebri1 1st Jul 10, 3:05 PM
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    Truth is, there is sod all to do in a standard service nowadays. Unfortunately the general public do not realise this and get ripped apart.

    Oil change with filter every *** miles, air filter at 4 times that, pollen filter, who cares?

    Brake check, pre mot check? I you can't figure your brakes aren't 100% or something is needed for the mot well, you shouldn't be in charge.

    And again pre mot check? don't pay for it, it's free with the mot, a fail is cheaper than a check if you deal with the right people
    I like the thanks button, but ,please, an I agree button.

    Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.

    Always expect the unexpectedand then you won't be dissapointed
    • Eliza
    • By Eliza 1st Jul 10, 3:21 PM
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    Eliza
    Truth is, there is sod all to do in a standard service nowadays. Unfortunately the general public do not realise this and get ripped apart.

    Oil change with filter every *** miles, air filter at 4 times that, pollen filter, who cares?

    Brake check, pre mot check? I you can't figure your brakes aren't 100% or something is needed for the mot well, you shouldn't be in charge.

    And again pre mot check? don't pay for it, it's free with the mot, a fail is cheaper than a check if you deal with the right people
    Originally posted by cyclonebri1
    Maybe so, but some of us have skills in other areas and are so busy excercising those skills that we rely on other skilled people in the same way as I wouldn't want a garage mechanic to do what I do for a living. However I'd want them to concentrate on the things that need skills, not topping up oil and screen wash, which I certainly can do myself. I would want them to check brakes for me - how do I know they're not ok? They lose power gradually over a year so I probably wouldn't notice.

    And I would also like to acknowledge and give credence to a skilled mechanic and a reputable garage. We can never all be good and trained at everything.

    And the MOT is being done for free, as is the pre-check. I haven't the time to fail and then go back another day, it all has to be done in one day.

    However thanks for your opinion - next time I can't work out how to fix my broken kettle, I'll give up coffee.

    Sorry, just realised I've risen to a bite of bait here - never mind! LOL
    Last edited by Eliza; 01-07-2010 at 3:22 PM. Reason: Used LOL for the first time ever!
  • boyse7en
    I do my own servicing, and base it on the car's handbook, but is generally - renew oil and oil filter, renew air filter. Check brake fluid level , change brake fluid every 3 years. Wheels off to check tyres for inner-edge wear, cracking/damage to the inside edge. While wheels are off check shock absorbers for leaks, check around brake hoses for damage or leaks, check springs for cracks (all just visual checks, bit of wire brushing to clean if required). Check spark plugs and clean/renew as required. Check the spare tyre (actually, I do this more often then annually, but it's always a good idea to do it). Check coolant level and concentration of anti-freeze/corrosion inhibitor. A quick look around under the car for anything that obviously shouldn't be there, or should be there but isn't.
    • cyclonebri1
    • By cyclonebri1 1st Jul 10, 5:39 PM
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    Maybe so, but some of us have skills in other areas and are so busy excercising those skills that we rely on other skilled people in the same way as I wouldn't want a garage mechanic to do what I do for a living. However I'd want them to concentrate on the things that need skills, not topping up oil and screen wash, which I certainly can do myself. I would want them to check brakes for me - how do I know they're not ok? They lose power gradually over a year so I probably wouldn't notice.

    And I would also like to acknowledge and give credence to a skilled mechanic and a reputable garage. We can never all be good and trained at everything.

    And the MOT is being done for free, as is the pre-check. I haven't the time to fail and then go back another day, it all has to be done in one day.

    However thanks for your opinion - next time I can't work out how to fix my broken kettle, I'll give up coffee.

    Sorry, just realised I've risen to a bite of bait here - never mind! LOL
    Originally posted by Eliza

    jeeeez, have you got a chip on your shoulder

    The bit you didn't get and that obviously offended you is that brakes don't "gradually lose power over a year", and you can tell if there is something wrong. You will hear it, feel it, and if something does go wrong you will feel the effect of it. NO skill required, just the perception that any motorist should have.

    Regarding the MOT. Why do you think the pad limit is around 3mm??

    Quite simply that only in exceptional circumstance will the last 3mm be worn away over the next year, ie, before the following MOT.

    No one called you dumb, but if the cap fits......
    I like the thanks button, but ,please, an I agree button.

    Will the grammar and spelling police respect I do make grammatical errors, and have carp spelling, no need to remind me.

    Always expect the unexpectedand then you won't be dissapointed
    • Eliza
    • By Eliza 1st Jul 10, 5:46 PM
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    jeeeez, have you got a chip on your shoulder

    The bit you didn't get and that obviously offended you is that brakes don't "gradually lose power over a year", and you can tell if there is something wrong. You will hear it, feel it, and if something does go wrong you will feel the effect of it. NO skill required, just the perception that any motorist should have.

    Regarding the MOT. Why do you think the pad limit is around 3mm??

    Quite simply that only in exceptional circumstance will the last 3mm be worn away over the next year, ie, before the following MOT.

    No one called you dumb, but if the cap fits......
    Originally posted by cyclonebri1
    Many thanks for all your advice, gratefully received.

    Liz
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 1st Jul 10, 6:14 PM
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    Forgot to mention one thing most of them WILL do is find as many faulty parts as possible.

    Lots of people will just agree and get the work done, My car had been to them for some suspension
    work. It was noted on the paperwork that the front discs and pads needed replacing.
    That was a couple of weeks before i bought it last december and they are still fine now, Good enough to pass
    an MOT today. I asked him how bad they are said the front pads will need doing in a few thousand miles. Discs
    are fine, No deep grooves or lips.
  • riche263
    an mot doesnt do more than a performance test on brakes ive seen cars pass an mot and have the front pads go metal on metal within a 1000 miles, if you was told pads and discs needed replacing the first garage may have done a proper check on them and measured the components something an mot doesnt do. you may well have had another 12 months of use from your brakes but if as an example your discs are below manufacturers minimum thicknesses they should have been changed as you are more likely to suffer brake fade in an emergency.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 11th Jul 10, 9:57 PM
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    My MOT guy tells me the pads are getting low, And what the discs are like.
    • Paul the Painter
    • By Paul the Painter 12th Jul 10, 12:34 AM
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    Important question is what car?????

    4WD petrol -Y reg - live in a rural area - could be a subaru - they require more frequent oil changes.

    I would be doing a minimum of a 6 month oil and filter change followed by an annual - proper service on a car of that age. Has it ever had a cam-belt change? If the answer is "I don't know" it probably hasn't, and probably needs one.

    But then I don't believe in 10,000mile+ service intervals either.

    My current car needs 3000 mile oil changes, and a top up of oil every 500 - 1000 miles. My previous vehicle was every 10000 miles, but it got an oil and filter change only at 1/2 of that.
  • cardinalbiggles
    I used to get mine done by the local garage, not cheap but they did do things like strip the brakes down then regrease/copperease and back together, never had a problem with them in 130k miles. They wont do that at your local dealer thats for sure.

    Brother has his suzuki "serviced" by the dealer 2 sets of seized calipers and damaged disks in 4 years, that may be bad luck but it just shows that dealers have a quick look then on your way.

    Moral of the story, dont trust a "service" from a dealer. What it actually means varies so much its a meaningless statement.
  • cardinalbiggles
    But then I don't believe in 10,000mile+ service intervals either.
    Originally posted by Paul the Painter
    Why not?

    Modern engines and synthetic oils mean that large intervals are routine, and you wont do any good by changing more often than the manufacturers spec especially with synthetic oil.

    You dont get the burr form the engine either like you used to get, while it was the case in the past (ie 70's and before) you needed to do regular oil changes its nothing like that now.

    People can get a wee bit silly about this, its the dont run your fuel tank low and supermarket petrol is inferior debate.
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