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Old 10-05-2010, 8:43 PM
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Default ANPR in Roadchef Sites

I find this outrageous,can a private company use ANPR in this way.

From 10may,Roadchef will be introducing ANPR in collaboratin with CP Plus Ltd and capturing number plates entering and leaving their sites,if you stay over 2 hours they will send Parking Charge Notice through the post,
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Old 10-05-2010, 8:51 PM
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They are welcome to waste such postage costs of their own volition at any time.
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if you stay over 2 hours they will send Parking Charge Notice through the post,
Oh goody more paper for the kids to draw on.
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Old 10-05-2010, 9:02 PM
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Yes how dare roadchef expect to be allowed to control who uses their own land.
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Yes how dare roadchef expect to be allowed to control who uses their own land.
Nobody is complaining about that. What people object to is the penalties demanded by the parking companies that bear no relation to the actual losses suffered by the landowner, and the fact that the PPCs act as judge and jury.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:56 PM
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I find this outrageous,can a private company use ANPR in this way.

From 10may,Roadchef will be introducing ANPR in collaboratin with CP Plus Ltd and capturing number plates entering and leaving their sites,if you stay over 2 hours they will send Parking Charge Notice through the post,


Well they can waste their money on ANPR, paying the DVLA for registered keeper details and then umpteen debt collector letters in the post...but they can't make people pay!

Watchdog this week at last gave the right advice re unfair private ANPR parking tickets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAIcdi9niHA

You only need take a parking ticket seriously if it comes from the Council or the Police. End of.
Ticket in a private car park in England/Wales?... DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT- the advice changed in 2012/13!

CLICK on '>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking>' end of the small blue 'Home>Forums>' link, top of the page, to see current threads.
Do NOT read older advice to ignore, unless it was in Scotland or NI.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:16 AM
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Yes how dare roadchef expect to be allowed to control who uses their own land.
Please explain how CP Plus achieve this in a lawful way.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:58 PM
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If Roadchef want to control access to land they need to employ a system which allows them to do so - have they not heard of parking barriers and ticket machines?

Set the barrier to allow free exit before two hours, after that there's a charge.
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Please explain how CP Plus achieve this in a lawful way.
Roadchef have appointed them as their agents to control parking on this site. The site is private property and is monitored by CCTV. This is all perfectly legal. They don't break any specific laws by sending invoices for people who overstay the 2 hour limit, but the recipient has no obligiation to pay unless ordered to do so by a court.
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Think of how much these ppc's are helping the post office to stay in business.
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Roadchef have appointed them as their agents to control parking on this site. The site is private property and is monitored by CCTV. This is all perfectly legal. They don't break any specific laws by sending invoices for people who overstay the 2 hour limit, but the recipient has no obligiation to pay unless ordered to do so by a court.
So you have visibility of the contract between CP Plus and Roadchef ?
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Interesting business model.
Wonder what the discussions were like at Roadchef......

Man with idea "We are going to pay a company to monitor and enforce parking restrictions"
Doubting Thomas "How will that work?"
MWI "We will install CCTV and use number plate recognition technology and if people overstay an arbitrary amount of time, say 2 hours, then we will get our new enforcers to send out invoices"
DT "But people don't have to pay these invoices do they?"
MWI "Er...."
DT " So we will be paying a company to send out letters to people, which they can ignore." How does this benefit Roadchef?"
MWI "@****!"
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Interesting business model.
Wonder what the discussions were like at Roadchef......

Man with idea "We are going to pay a company to monitor and enforce parking restrictions"
Doubting Thomas "How will that work?"
MWI "We will install CCTV and use number plate recognition technology and if people overstay an arbitrary amount of time, say 2 hours, then we will get our new enforcers to send out invoices"
DT "But people don't have to pay these invoices do they?"
MWI "Er...."
DT " So we will be paying a company to send out letters to people, which they can ignore." How does this benefit Roadchef?"
MWI "@****!"
MWI "but most people don't know this so there will always be a lot we can con money out of."
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MWI "but most people don't know this so there will always be a lot we can con money out of."
Sadly true.

We can but spread the word
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If Watchdog wanted to perform a real public service then they would get one of their "researchers" to apply to work for one of the many PPC's. I'm sure what would be highly revealing footage would get Vince Cable going and who knows Teresa May might even get fired up too. It would be interesting to see how Patrick Troy from the BPA would react given the sort of comment he has made on this forum in the past.
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So you have visibility of the contract between CP Plus and Roadchef ?
How is this relevant? If CPP have, somehow, broken their contract with
Roadchef, it is up to Roadchef to decide how to pursue that breach of contract. A 3rd party cannot pursue the breach of contract because they are not party to the said contract.
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How is this relevant? If CPP have, somehow, broken their contract with
Roadchef, it is up to Roadchef to decide how to pursue that breach of contract. A 3rd party cannot pursue the breach of contract because they are not party to the said contract.
It is very relevant.
You stated as a fact that "Roadchef have appointed them as their agents to control parking on this site."
The only way you could know that agency rights had been given is by visiblity of the contract.
Either you have visibility or your statement was a false averment with no basis.
Which is it ?
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It is very relevant.
You stated as a fact that "Roadchef have appointed them as their agents to control parking on this site."
The only way you could know that agency rights had been given is by visiblity of the contract.
Either you have visibility or your statement was a false averment with no basis.
Which is it ?
So you want us to believe that CPP are operating on the Roadchef site without Roadchef's permission of even knowledge???
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Not at all.
You need to distinguish between "agency rights" and "permission".
Permission to do what and with what legal force if any.

The question remains unanswered, do you have visibility of the contract ?
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It's all going to be a complete waste of time anyway.

How often do you see more than a couple of cars in a Roadchef?
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