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    • anniebea
    • By anniebea 27th Mar 10, 2:39 PM
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    Freehold Manager requesting consent to Sublet
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    • 27th Mar 10, 2:39 PM
    Freehold Manager requesting consent to Sublet 27th Mar 10 at 2:39 PM
    Anyone who has freehold managers plc as their freeholder should be aware of the following. I have received a demand for £129 to gain thier consent for sub letting.

    I have read my lease and there is nowhere in the lease that it says I need thier consent. I suspect that they have done a trawl of leases where the leaseholders address does not match the property address and send out a standard letter.

    I wonder how many people just pay up without checking thier lease first, a nice little earner for this company if people just pay up..

    I have sent them a letter recorded delivery asking them to point out where in my lease it states that I must get thier consent to sublet and I await thier response.

    Given thier usual incompetence I am not expected a speedy reply, so in my letter I have stated that If I do not hear from them in 21 days I will consider the matter closed.
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  • GarySt
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    • 29th Mar 10, 3:26 PM
    Freehold Managers
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    • 29th Mar 10, 3:26 PM
    I phoned them and explained they had no right to charge it on our block and asked them to write to all the off-site owners they had sent charges to. The woman hung up on me.
    I then got the management company to send out a word of warning to all the off-site owners telling them not to fall for it.
    They tried this 3 years ago and we just ignored them. Isnt it illegal to obtain monies by deceit?
    Our lease says we need permission to sublet from the management company, nothing about 'charging' or 'freeholder'.

    Best to ignore them. They are scum.
    • Fire Fox
    • By Fire Fox 29th Mar 10, 3:29 PM
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    • 29th Mar 10, 3:29 PM
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    • 29th Mar 10, 3:29 PM
    Any chance you conveyed the fact that you think they are scum before you got hung up on?
    What a difference a day makes, twenty four little hours.
    • anniebea
    • By anniebea 30th Mar 10, 9:13 PM
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    • 30th Mar 10, 9:13 PM
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    • 30th Mar 10, 9:13 PM
    This company will try anything.... they tried to charge me twice for ground rent on two different Flats We bought no 13 ( renumbered to 14 something to do with 13 being unlucky) They then tried to charge us for the non existant no 13 AND no 14. They didnt respond to emails, or letters and even threatned us with debt collectors for non payment!!! Something realtivley simple took months to sort out.
    They are totally unprofessional and incompetent.
    • G_M
    • By G_M 31st Mar 10, 12:28 PM
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    • 31st Mar 10, 12:28 PM
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    • 31st Mar 10, 12:28 PM
    They are totally unprofessional and incompetent.
    Sound very competant to me. Making lots of money for their shareholders!
    • anniebea
    • By anniebea 18th Apr 10, 2:52 PM
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    • 18th Apr 10, 2:52 PM
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    • 18th Apr 10, 2:52 PM
    Having challeneged this demand, freehold managers has now sent me a letter saying I do not need to pay, nothing in lease, and not a requirement of insurance, so thier demand was just a speculative demand with no substance.

    So have saved myself £190+ and £127 each time my tenants change.

    My advice is to anyone who gets one of these demand is read your lease and challenge these type of demands.
    • kaych
    • By kaych 18th Apr 10, 2:56 PM
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    • 18th Apr 10, 2:56 PM
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    • 18th Apr 10, 2:56 PM
    thanks for sharing your experience! as we will become leaseholders soon, it's good to know that some of the tricks that these freeholders are up to!

    sometimes i am just wondering because of the so many restriction stated in the lease, we are actually not buying the flat, we are simply buying 'the right to live there'.... a bit expensive for that kind of service...
  • jamboken77
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    • 15th May 10, 5:19 PM
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    • 15th May 10, 5:19 PM
    Does anybody knows what can happen to you if you don't gain consent to sub let?
    How would the management company ever know if I rented out my flat?
    • chris_m
    • By chris_m 15th May 10, 6:27 PM
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    • 15th May 10, 6:27 PM
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    • 15th May 10, 6:27 PM
    Does anybody knows what can happen to you if you don't gain consent to sub let?
    How would the management company ever know if I rented out my flat?
    Originally posted by jamboken77
    A different postal address would give them a hint.
  • jamboken77
    It would, but I haven't informed them of a change in my address. My post is redirected so still receive all of the bills. My flat is still unoccupied, so just considering my options. £100+ is a lot when I have agency fees as well :-(
    • Fire Fox
    • By Fire Fox 16th May 10, 2:21 AM
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    sometimes i am just wondering because of the so many restriction stated in the lease, we are actually not buying the flat, we are simply buying 'the right to live there'.... a bit expensive for that kind of service...
    Originally posted by kaych
    That is exactly what you are doing!!
    What a difference a day makes, twenty four little hours.
  • Manwithaview
    Having challeneged this demand, freehold managers has now sent me a letter saying I do not need to pay, nothing in lease, and not a requirement of insurance, so thier demand was just a speculative demand with no substance.

    So have saved myself £190+ and £127 each time my tenants change.

    My advice is to anyone who gets one of these demand is read your lease and challenge these type of demands.
    Originally posted by anniebea
    I too am having major problems with this organisation on the same issue I don't suppose you would be willing to share the text of your letter? You seem to have had a result that the rest of us can only dream about.
    This organisation are a real nasty piece of work and anyone who can get a victory out of them deserves a medal!
    • anniebea
    • By anniebea 14th Jun 10, 7:29 PM
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    The content of the letter I sent was along the lines of ....

    With reference to your letter of 15th March which was received on 19th March in which you request an administration fee for your consent to let the above property, please advise under which clause in the lease you are making this request. There is no clause in the lease which requires us to gain your consent to let the property.

    Please respond within 21 days of the date of this letter. If I do not receive a response within that time showing where in my lease I need your consent, I will consider that this matter is closed and no further action is required on my part.


    I sent you a seperate message for another forum where you can see we are having some sucess challenging these people.
  • Manwithaview
    The content of the letter I sent was along the lines of ....

    With reference to your letter of 15th March which was received on 19th March in which you request an administration fee for your consent to let the above property, please advise under which clause in the lease you are making this request. There is no clause in the lease which requires us to gain your consent to let the property.

    Please respond within 21 days of the date of this letter. If I do not receive a response within that time showing where in my lease I need your consent, I will consider that this matter is closed and no further action is required on my part.


    I sent you a seperate message for another forum where you can see we are having some sucess challenging these people.
    Originally posted by anniebea
    Many thanks for this unsure if you have received my response trying to work this website out!! sorry for being a nuisance but did you send your letter to the PO Box 2098 address or do you have another address to send it to? I was wanting to send this recoorded delivery to ensure they received it in case i need that evidence later on. Unsure if you can send anything recorded or special delivery to a PO Box address?
  • CA73
    I let my flat out and Freehold Managers Plc are the Freeholders. Last year when I moved out and let the flat I changed my address with them (for Ground Rent billing purposes) and also received the letter re £129 payment request and request for various documents for them to consent to lease out. - I thought I had sent these and payment off and the matter was closed though on checking today the cheque does not appear to have debited my account.

    Fast forward to today and I've had a letter advising that I am subletting without their consent (which re above I guess I am!) - No mention of £129 on documents just a request for a copy of the tenancy agreement and payment for the 'licence I wish to obtain'.

    The 2 licences noted on their enclosed 'Application to Sublet' form are the following.....

    Standard Licence (including notice fee) - £260 - Annual fee

    or

    Global Licence (including notice fee) - £400 - Licence granted for 5 years


    Does anyone have any ideas whether all this sounds right??? I'm off to dig out the lease!

    Any assistance appreciated.

    Caroline
    Last edited by CA73; 03-02-2011 at 5:19 PM.
    • anniebea
    • By anniebea 3rd Feb 11, 6:30 PM
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    As stated in my previous post - there was nothing in my lease to say I had to get thier consent. I challlenged it and got a letter from them admitting that my lease does not say anything about getting thier consent so I do not have to pay.

    The letter they send out is a standard letter and they admit they send it when the property address and billing address do not match.

    Dig out your lease and see what it says - if there is no requirement in the lease, challenge it.
    • Ulfar
    • By Ulfar 3rd Feb 11, 6:33 PM
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    Check your lease and when its not in there tell them to go away.
  • Gulliblegirl
    Having paid Freehold Managers the annual "permission to sublet" fee for several years, I have now received a renewal letter offering me the "Global licence" option plus the information that I have to advise them i.e. pay even more money every time the tenant changes. Don't think I've seen that before. Anyone else come across this refinement?
    • Ulfar
    • By Ulfar 31st May 11, 6:16 PM
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    Sorry check your lease, only pay what is in the lease. The lease is a binding legal contract and if the charges aren't in there they can go whistle.
  • nverma001
    Sorry check your lease, only pay what is in the lease. The lease is a binding legal contract and if the charges aren't in there they can go whistle.
    Originally posted by Ulfar
    Hi thanks for the info,

    I assume when you say check your lease you mean checking what is held on the land registry? Pls clarify as I am new to leasehold.




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