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    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 10th Oct 17, 12:16 PM
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    Richie-from-the-Boro
    I just found this thread, so I joined MSE so I could post.
    We took out our night storage heaters and the Economy 7, and put in Rointe heaters and switched to a Standard electricity tariff.
    Our electricity bills have more than doubled.
    I wish I had found this thread 15 months ago, it would have saved me a lot of money.
    It cost us over £4k to put all the heaters in, and now our bills are huge.
    I am posting this here so that other people can find it hopefully, and avoid making the same mistake that I did.
    Originally posted by Jimbobmz
    Thanks for your input, sadly too late for yourself but a generous contribution like yours might well help others avoid an expensive mistake.
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    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 11th Oct 17, 9:27 AM
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    lstar337
    I just found this thread, so I joined MSE so I could post.
    We took out our night storage heaters and the Economy 7, and put in Rointe heaters and switched to a Standard electricity tariff.
    Our electricity bills have more than doubled.
    Originally posted by Jimbobmz
    Sorry to hear that Jimbobmz.

    I wish I had found this thread 15 months ago, it would have saved me a lot of money.
    It cost us over £4k to put all the heaters in, and now our bills are huge.
    Originally posted by Jimbobmz
    We have asked repeatedly to have a thread explaining the issues with switching away from E7 NSH to direct electric heaters as a 'sticky' but we always seem to go unheard.

    I am posting this here so that other people can find it hopefully, and avoid making the same mistake that I did.
    Originally posted by Jimbobmz
    Very good of you. You could have just walked on by, but you took the time to make others aware.

    Thank you for your contribution.
    • Gashead86
    • By Gashead86 1st Nov 17, 1:50 PM
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    Gashead86
    Hi Guys,

    Just stumbled across this forum completely accidentally and having just read it from start to finish have found it very useful!

    I run a small property maintenance company working out of a small (500 square foot approx) office. We only have electric in this office and are on an economy 7 tariff with both a day and night rate.
    We have a standard CCU powering all of our lights, sockets etc etc and the economy 7 CCU running 6 night storage heaters.
    Said storage heaters are some 20 years old and have one by one started to die on me... Being a property maintenance company we have electricians who work for us on occasion and one such engineer happened to be on the office the other day, so I collared him and asked him for his opinion on our heating system on the whole.
    It was his opinion that we were better off getting rid of the economy seven completely and fitting 6 Roite electric heaters and taken them back to the main CCU and of course running them off of the standard 'day' rate..
    Having looked into this a little more I am both unsure of my options and also pretty sure that the Roite option is going to be expensive!

    My question is this.... Given my scenario above, what are my options realistically? Am I better off keeping my E7 rate and simply replacing all of the NSH's with new modern heaters that will allow me to control the heat throughout the day? Am I better off removing the existing E7 CCU completely and fitting new 'any time use' panel heaters powered from the main CCU? Or is there an option I have not thought of?

    My fear is that if I were to remove the E7 option and run everything off of the standard circuit whilst it would undoubtedly be far more convenient, I fear there would be a very large increase in our bills.

    For reference, our existing rate is 20p per unit in hours and 10p out of hours (very very approx).

    Any help you guys can offer will be seriously appreciated! We are starting to freeze in here with the weather turning and I really do need to sort it!

    Thanks in advance guys!
    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 1st Nov 17, 3:42 PM
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    lstar337
    If you know what your current ratio of day/night usage is it would be helpful. Also, do you have hot water and how is that heated?

    Firstly, I assume you are only there basic office hours? and that heat at night isn't really needed except to keep a chill off.

    As I see it, you have 3 real options.

    1. Stay on E7 and fix/replace your current NSH's.

    2. Ditch E7 and go for direct electric (convector, etc.) heaters.

    3. Ditch E7 and go for (space/location permitting) an air source heat pump.

    It is really hard for us to say which is best because we don't know the characteristics of the space. But....

    1. Fixing storage heaters is usually pretty easy. The parts are simple and cheap, and repair difficulty is on par with wiring a plug. Replacement can be pricey if you go with newer models, but no more pricey than your average Rointe heater which is no more advanced than a £30 heater from Argos. Once fixed/repaired, your bills will no different or a little cheaper (depending on NSH you choose) than they were before.

    2. Convectors/Oil rads are pretty cheap to buy. You should be looking at no more than £100 each unless you wants something really fancy looking. Rointe heaters offer no real heat/cost/comfort benefit over a £30 heater from Argos. They do look quite nice (personal opinion), but that is all. Do you need to pay in excess of £500 per heater for the looks? You will need to lose the E7 if you take this root, which means you will be paying 20p for every kWh they consume (or £120 for all six). *This doesn't mean they will use £1.20/hour all the time. They might only be operational for 1hr of the time you are there.

    3. Air source heat pumps (air conditioning to the common man) are a split system with a unit outside and a blower inside. They work just like a fridge in reverse. They extract heat from outside and bring it inside, with the advantage that they can also work in reverse as air conditioning. They are able to offer more heat out than the electricity they consume because they are just moving heat about instead of creating it through a resistive load. The upshot is you can sometimes get 5kW of heat out for only 1kW of electricity used. I have underlined sometimes because the actual figure varies depending on how much heat is available outside at the time. You would need to ditch E7, but you would have a system that used less electricty than convector heaters. Note that systems can be expensive to install.

    If it were me, I would probably fix or replace the NSH. It is the least intrusive option (especially if you can fix) that will offer the cheapest ongoing heating costs.

    Hope that helps.
    • lucyt261
    • By lucyt261 6th Nov 17, 3:49 PM
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    lucyt261
    Night Storage Heaters
    Hi

    I started reading this thread as I googled Rointe radiators. I have read many posts from this thread and would appreciate some confirmation regarding my conclusions.

    I have a one bedroom flat that I am renovating in order to let out. It does not have a gas supply. It does have night storage heaters that the council have said need replacing and so has a E7 supply. I would very much like to put the correct sort of heating for prospective tenants as I do not want complaints about high electricity bills. I would imagine the tenant will be working and out most of the day.

    Do I stick with E7, buy up-to-date night storage heaters, along with detailed instructions on how to use them properly? Whilst it is an expensive option, it may be better in the long run.

    Or do I buy panel heaters (not Rointe as there is no point going to the expense).

    Many thanks in advance
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 6th Nov 17, 4:54 PM
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    Cardew
    Welcome to the forum.

    There is no 'correct sort of heating'; both your options are viable; and both will draw complaints for high running costs.

    Storage heaters on an E7 tariff will be cheaper to run; you will also get your hot water heated at E7 off-peak rates, also appliances(washing machine*, dryer, dishwasher) can be set to operate at night.

    On the other hand storage heaters are not popular with many people and they cannot be bothered to learn how to operate them properly.

    * Some blocks of flats ban late night operation of washing machines because of noise.
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