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    tiger
    told job was given to someone more qualified then readvertised.
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:00 PM
    told job was given to someone more qualified then readvertised. 4th Dec 09 at 11:00 PM
    hii everyone,
    i went for interview few days ago and got back email 3 days later thanking me for attending the interview but unfortunately i didnt get the job.
    when i asked for feedback/reason why i didnt get the job, i was told the job went to some one more qualified than myself.
    "fair enough " i said to my self. however today i found the same job been re-advertised again with an additional comment "previous applicant need not to apply"
    any one with experience with this sort of situation.?is there anyway i can challenge them.? i meet ALL there essential requirements/qualification plus most of the desired requirements

    thanks
    are you thinking what iam thinking
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  • Willsnarf1983
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:20 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:20 PM
    I guess you could re-send a letter and ask but I don't think its going to gain you anything and you would be best of ignoring it and applying for other jobs

    Will
    SShhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
    • justjohn
    • By justjohn 4th Dec 09, 11:22 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:22 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:22 PM
    just walk on...its just one of those thing in life
    • terra_ferma
    • By terra_ferma 4th Dec 09, 11:27 PM
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    terra_ferma
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:27 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:27 PM
    hii everyone,
    i went for interview few days ago and got back email 3 days later thanking me for attending the interview but unfortunately i didn't get the job.
    when i asked for feedback/reason why i didnt get the job, i was told the job went to some one more qualified than myself.
    "fair enough " i said to my self. however today i found the same job been re-advertised again with an additional comment "previous applicant need not to apply"
    any one with experience with this sort of situation.?is there anyway i can challenge them.? i meet ALL there essential requirements/qualification plus most of the desired requirements

    thanks
    Originally posted by tiger
    The person offered the job may have turned it down when offered (or they could have made it up to make the conversation with you less awkward).
    And they obviously don't think you are the person they are looking for.

    Unless you can demonstrate discrimination, which from what you say sounds unlikely, e.g. they have asked questions that they shouldn't have (such as about marital status, children, religion etc), there is nothing you can do.

    Employers are entitled to decide who they want to hire, as long as they don't act illegally. And re-advertise if they don't find someone suitable is totally legal.
    The fact that your application meets all the criteria is irrelevant if you failed your interview.

    You could ask for their notes of the interview, under the Data Protection Act, but it would be pointless. I know someone who did and got back neatly written notes that just said she was crxp at everything and did not reflect the interview at all. They just covered they assex.

    If I were you I would focus my energy on finding a job. You could ask for more detailed feedback, and learn from it. Rejection is hard, but in the past I have been painfully rejected but got something much much better shortly afterwards.

    Good luck with your job hunt!
    • KiKi
    • By KiKi 4th Dec 09, 11:29 PM
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    KiKi
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:29 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:29 PM
    hii everyone,
    i went for interview few days ago and got back email 3 days later thanking me for attending the interview but unfortunately i didnt get the job.
    when i asked for feedback/reason why i didnt get the job, i was told the job went to some one more qualified than myself.
    "fair enough " i said to my self. however today i found the same job been re-advertised again with an additional comment "previous applicant need not to apply"
    any one with experience with this sort of situation.?is there anyway i can challenge them.? i meet ALL there essential requirements/qualification plus most of the desired requirements

    thanks
    Originally posted by tiger
    You may well meet the essential and desirable requirements for the role (which is probably why you got an interview), but if the interview deemed you unsuitable then so be it.

    They may have lied about offering the job to someone more qualified which is wrong of them, but equally they may have offered it, and that person turned it down, hence they're needing to re-advertise.

    If you're really that bothered, go back to them and say you've seen the advert, so you now realise you obviously *didn't* meet the requirements, and you'd like feedback so you can improve next time.

    I'm not saying this is true of you, but I've seen of applicants who meet the requirements on paper. And then in an interview they can't demonstrate the behaviours required for the role, or their technical expertise isn't suitable, or their behaviour / manner is clearly not appropriate for the role for which they're applying.

    Move on, but ask for detailed feedback so you can succeed next time.

    EDIT: similar advice from terra_ferma. Great minds, I see...

    HTH
    KiKi
    ' <-- See that? It's called an apostrophe. It does not mean "hey, look out, here comes an S".
  • tiger
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:32 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:32 PM
    thanks.i have applied for other jobs.only reason why i was annoyed is them saying "you did well but was given to some more qualified"
    are you thinking what iam thinking
    • terra_ferma
    • By terra_ferma 4th Dec 09, 11:38 PM
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    terra_ferma
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:38 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:38 PM
    EDIT: similar advice from terra_ferma. Great minds, I see...
    KiKi
    Originally posted by KiKi
    Was thinking the same. but yours better worded.....
    • bristol_pilot
    • By bristol_pilot 4th Dec 09, 11:39 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:39 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:39 PM
    It is usually not worth asking for feedback as what you are told will rarely be the truth -as in this case.

    It is far easier for them to say 'someone else was better qualified' than to say what the real reason was - which could be something they thought you would argue with. They might simply not have liked you!

    Move on to the next application...and don't bother with asking for feedback.
    • terra_ferma
    • By terra_ferma 4th Dec 09, 11:42 PM
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    terra_ferma
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:42 PM
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    • 4th Dec 09, 11:42 PM
    thanks.i have applied for other jobs.only reason why i was annoyed is them saying "you did well but was given to some more qualified"
    Originally posted by tiger
    I've been treated badly on several occasions, I've even had a job re-advertised after I had been interviewed, but while keeping as an option just in case they did not find anyone at all, not good enough to be offered the job but better than nothing. Needless to say I withdrew my application, either you are good enough for the job or your are not!

    Hope it goes well for you with you next application.
  • ganonman
    Don't take it too personally. I got turned down for a job a couple of days ago with the reason:

    They were impressed with my experience, my qualifications and believed I performed very well in the interview, but they weren't sure about whether I'd fit in their team and they didn't know why. (I don't have any personality issues, before you ask :rolleyes

    This is the worst kind of turn down (IMO), as I'd prefer to know I'd done something wrong so I can work on it, but instead, I'm told I'm good enough but still can't have the job. Ah well... :confused:
    "A bank* is a place where they lend you an umbrella in fair weather and ask for it back when it begins to rain."

    (*Unless it's Santander. The branch says they sent you an umbrella 3 times already and don't understand why you don't have it yet and want it back right now!!!)
  • tiger
    they should have simply said you are not suitable.looking back and reflecting now on the questions they were asking it looks as though i may be overqualified.not "some one more qualified" like they claim
    are you thinking what iam thinking
    • DKLS
    • By DKLS 10th Dec 09, 8:35 AM
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    DKLS
    Don't take it too personally. I got turned down for a job a couple of days ago with the reason:

    They were impressed with my experience, my qualifications and believed I performed very well in the interview, but they weren't sure about whether I'd fit in their team and they didn't know why. (I don't have any personality issues, before you ask :rolleyes

    This is the worst kind of turn down (IMO), as I'd prefer to know I'd done something wrong so I can work on it, but instead, I'm told I'm good enough but still can't have the job. Ah well... :confused:
    Originally posted by ganonman
    I see this quite often, on paper a candidate has all the requisites to make a good employee, but then you meet them and you just know that they wouldn't fit in to the team, and more likely cause disruption and upset to the team, so they dont get hired.

    PS Dont bother asking for interview notes, you would never get to see the real notes. (thank god )
    • terra_ferma
    • By terra_ferma 10th Dec 09, 8:47 AM
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    terra_ferma
    I see this quite often, on paper a candidate has all the requisites to make a good employee, but then you meet them and you just know that they wouldn't fit in to the team, and more likely cause disruption and upset to the team, so they dont get hired.

    PS Dont bother asking for interview notes, you would never get to see the real notes. (thank god )
    Originally posted by DKLS
    I'm surprised he was even told...
    That would leave an employer open to all sorts of discrimination claims, maybe they thought he would have not ground for that?
  • Oldernotwiser
    thanks.i have applied for other jobs.only reason why i was annoyed is them saying "you did well but was given to some more qualified"
    Originally posted by tiger
    I wouldn't be annoyed, they were just being kind and trying to avoid hurting your feelings as you obviously weren't suitable.
  • wontfallforit
    they should have simply said you are not suitable.looking back and reflecting now on the questions they were asking it looks as though i may be overqualified.not "some one more qualified" like they claim
    Originally posted by tiger
    As far as I know, "more qualified" needn't necessarily mean academic attainment. It's more likely to be that, in addition to other skills and experiences.

    If candidate A and candidate B have exactly the same academic and/or professional qualifications, one can still be deemed more qualified by performing better in the interview, or having more/better experience.

    I don't know your exact situation, but being more qualified on paper doesn't necessarily mean being more qualified for the job.

    Anyway, best of luck...it probably wouldn't hurt to try to get more feedback. I'm guessing the most likely situation is that for whatever reason you failed to impress in the interview (:confused, or they offered the job to another person, who swiftly turned it down.

    If they deemed you overqualified (which, granted, can be an issue), I doubt they would've gone to the effort of interviewing you in the first place.

    Best of luck in your job hunt x
    • SandC
    • By SandC 10th Dec 09, 9:44 AM
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    SandC
    Try not to take it too personally. There's probably nothing wrong with you at all, just that you didn't seem quite right to them for the position. There may not even be a solid reason - I agree with the others they just gave the 'more qualified person' line as it's an easy one to give. It looks like they just want to widen their net a bit now as it seems whoever they did pick decided not to take the position anyway.

    I've applied for jobs I know I could do and not even got an interview. My take on these rejections is that I was probably too good for it! Regardless of what the real reason may be it doesn't matter - I take a positive spin every time rather than dwell on negatives that may not exist.
  • woody01
    hii everyone,
    i went for interview few days ago and got back email 3 days later thanking me for attending the interview but unfortunately i didnt get the job.
    when i asked for feedback/reason why i didnt get the job, i was told the job went to some one more qualified than myself.
    "fair enough " i said to my self. however today i found the same job been re-advertised again with an additional comment "previous applicant need not to apply"
    any one with experience with this sort of situation.?is there anyway i can challenge them.? i meet ALL there essential requirements/qualification plus most of the desired requirements

    thanks
    Originally posted by tiger
    I realise it must be hard to swallow, but can you not just accept that:
    1. You were not qualified for the job
    or
    2. You were not of the correct personality for the job
    or
    3. You didn't have the skills they required
    or
    4. The interviewer just didn't like you

    An employer can hire who they like regardless of whether you believe you were the right candidate or not.

    Note:
    I find it highly irritating when candidates ask for feedback as to why they were unsuccessful. Do they think there is time to waste on this?
    Last edited by woody01; 10-12-2009 at 10:54 AM.
  • speedbird1973
    I'm surprised he was even told...
    That would leave an employer open to all sorts of discrimination claims, maybe they thought he would have not ground for that?
    Originally posted by terra_ferma
    Rubbish - it's good honest feedback! The guy asked for feedback and got it! I've terminated an interview 10 minutes in. The bottom line was the guy was a tw@t. I told him he would never fit into my team and would he like coffee while I typed up his letter, or did he want to wait for one in the post.
    • terra_ferma
    • By terra_ferma 10th Dec 09, 1:30 PM
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    terra_ferma
    Rubbish - it's good honest feedback! The guy asked for feedback and got it! I've terminated an interview 10 minutes in. The bottom line was the guy was a tw@t. I told him he would never fit into my team and would he like coffee while I typed up his letter, or did he want to wait for one in the post.
    Originally posted by speedbird1973
    It seems clear from what you say that you don't have a good grasp of employment law, or a decent HR to back you up.
    It may cost you/your company dear if you reject someone covered by discrimination law and all you had to say was "we were impressed with his experience, his qualifications and believed he performed very well in the interview, but we weren't sure about whether he'd fit in their team and we didn't know why"
    The Employment Tribunal would love that!
  • speedbird1973
    It seems clear from what you say that you don't have a good grasp of employment law, or a decent HR to back you up.
    It may cost you/your company dear if you reject someone covered by discrimination law and all you had to say was "we were impressed with his experience, his qualifications and believed he performed very well in the interview, but we weren't sure about whether he'd fit in their team and we didn't know why"
    The Employment Tribunal would love that!
    Originally posted by terra_ferma

    No Terra - If I said "We're not giving you a job because you're a jungle bunny" then I'd accept we'd get hauled over the coals for discrimination. And quite rightly too I hasten to add!

    However "People who may not fit in" are not covered under antidiscrimation laws. Laws like this are written to make sure that people have been discriminated against in the past have a little protection. They are not there to be scared of if you have a genuine reason for not employing someone. My HR director assures me "We're not convince you'll fit into the team" is fine. I'm not critisising your HR experience Terra, but bearing in mind if I didn't want to employ someone for "bad" reasons they'd have a tough time proving in court, I white felllow, who's abled bodied but a bit of a tosser would have no chance!
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