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    • RacyRed
    • By RacyRed 5th Sep 09, 11:47 PM
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    Freegle - New home for ex Freecycle groups
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    • 5th Sep 09, 11:47 PM
    Freegle - New home for ex Freecycle groups 5th Sep 09 at 11:47 PM
    UPDATE 16.9.2009

    Large numbers of local recycling groups in the UK have left Freecycle and joined the Freegle organisation. www.ilovefreegle.org

    Click HERE for a list of your local Freegle groups. More are being added every day.

    __________________________________________________ ________


    I just posted on the Freecycle is it corrupt?? thread. But to be honest, I don't want to post onto a thread with a title like that anymore.

    At the moment the UK moderators are fighting a hard, painful battle to try to stop the parent organisation in the USA turning Freecycle into a faceless, uncaring, money making organisation.

    A number of outspoken UK volunteer moderators have been sacked over the last few weeks for speaking out against the USA approach. Groups are disappearing overnight (3 last night - you can only find them now if you know where to look).

    I know this for certain because I'm one of the mods they are trying to sack and my group has been removed from the Freecycle network.

    Personally, I've been a Freecycle group moderator for over three years and active on Freecycle for almost 6 years. I joined our group a few weeks after it was formed, became a moderator and have helped it grow to have almost 9,000 members.

    If you value Freecycle at all then please support your local group while it is still being run by local moderators.

    PLEASE join the Yahoo groups, not the MYFreecycle version, which is the one the international Freecycle Network want you to join. Go to the Yahoo home page of the group you want to join then click on the join this group button.

    Thanks
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    Last edited by RacyRed; 16-09-2009 at 5:46 PM. Reason: updated info
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    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 6th Sep 09, 7:35 AM
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    Makes sense to me Racey, to keep Freecycle together rather than allow splinter groups.
    • RacyRed
    • By RacyRed 6th Sep 09, 12:35 PM
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    Makes sense to me Racey, to keep Freecycle together rather than allow splinter groups.
    Originally posted by Ken68
    What splinter groups?

    The original local Yahoo groups chose to affiliate to The Freecycle Network when they were formed. They continue to do this, where possible.

    Freecycle no longer allows new Yahoo groups. New groups are being set up on the My Freecycle site and existing groups are being forcibly transferred to My Freecycle if they won't go voluntarily.

    The UK moderators want to keep the UK groups united and within Freecycle if at all possible, but hope for that is fading as the powers tha be at Freecycle is refusing to talk to the UK Moderators.

    The USA model for running groups does not allow for individual groups to have regionally adjusted rules. For example, posting an item or wanted on more than one group is not allowed, even if the boundary between the 2 groups is at the end of your garden.
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    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 6th Sep 09, 1:20 PM
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    No big thing surely, only being able to post on one group.
    And your fourth paragraph beginning "The UK moderators",, imply a splinter group.
    Also why Yahoo, they are only a communication channel. Could be Google if decided so by Freecycle International. Why the angst.?
    • scorpiolady
    • By scorpiolady 6th Sep 09, 6:49 PM
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    Freecycle no longer allows new Yahoo groups. New groups are being set up on the My Freecycle site and existing groups are being forcibly transferred to My Freecycle if they won't go voluntarily.
    Originally posted by RacyRed

    Thats not true my group was asked if we wanted to join My freecycle and after having a look around i decided no and told them no and they havnt bothered us since
    • RacyRed
    • By RacyRed 6th Sep 09, 8:04 PM
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    Thats not true my group was asked if we wanted to join My freecycle and after having a look around i decided no and told them no and they havnt bothered us since
    Originally posted by scorpiolady
    That must have been a little while ago, because that doesn't happen now.

    If you are a group owner make sure that you have back-up. If not and you have to ask for help from your GOA or the mentor mods if you are going to be away or something, you might get a nasty shock when you come back to your group. Check UK Mod Squad if you want confirmation.

    Ken68, what it boils down to is making sure that any money raised in the UK from saving stuff from landfill - and it could be hundreds of thousands of £s - stays in the UK for the benefit of the people who earned it, not get filtered off abroad.

    No big deal really, if you don't mind missing out on a possible reduction in your council tax so that Freecycle can benefit a few people in another country. :rolleyes:
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    • kazwookie
    • By kazwookie 6th Sep 09, 8:10 PM
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    Racyred

    What is the difference to freecycle and myfreecycle? do they have different logos etc?

    Thanks
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    • RacyRed
    • By RacyRed 6th Sep 09, 8:50 PM
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    Racyred

    What is the difference to freecycle and myfreecycle? do they have different logos etc?

    Thanks
    Originally posted by kazwookie
    MyFreecycle is the new set up for the Freecycle organisation. Instead of having lots of affiliated local groups on Yahoo (which freecycle used to insist we use) MyFreecycle runs on the Freecycle servers and each of the local groups has space allocated to it there.

    The Yahoo Freecycle groups are run by and are under the control of the local moderators who set them up.

    MyFreecycle is completely controlled by The Freecycle Network in the USA, who may or may not apppoint local moderators to do the day to day work on the groups. A number of UK MyFreecycle groups are currently being run by moderators based in the USA.

    The logo is the same for both.
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    • Andreg
    • By Andreg 6th Sep 09, 10:21 PM
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    I found out about www.goodnewsforpolarbears.org today and it seems much better to use then Freecycle. Sort of like a free ebay. I guess they wouldnt be allowed to call it 'freebay'.
    • RacyRed
    • By RacyRed 6th Sep 09, 11:40 PM
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    You know, this is a real eye opener.

    I've spent 3 years putting leaflets through doors on my patch whenever I've seen good stuff left out for the bin men - just think aout how that converts into people offering stuff on Freecycle for other members to have.

    Then there have been all the "interesting" meetings with the council environmental department.

    The emails to members who cannot be !!!!!d to read the simple instructions sent to them and want me to talk them through using Freecycle individually, or go round to their house and show them.

    The people going nuts because they forgot their logins and want to reply to an offer someone just made for something they really want - and the mod has got to do something about it "right now", usually at 11pm

    Oh yes, and the abusive emails from those inconsiderate people who think that the few simple rules we have don't apply to them.

    Then I see something offered I'd like myself but have to wait for the daily digest to go out before I can ask for it, because it is the only way mods can stop the accusations of them creaming off the best stuff. Of course, then it is too late because the item went to the trader who is sat in front of his computer screen with all the local groups pages open, firing off emails for all the good stuff the moment it appears on the groups.

    Why am was I running myself ragged trying to run a freecycle group for people who really couldn't give a monkeys, if MSE is anything to go by?

    I won't be making that mistake again :rolleyes:
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    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 7th Sep 09, 6:45 AM
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    All the links from Freecycle.org, bring me back to my own group, accessed thru Yahoo. So maybe this is to change . Have e mailed my local mod to see what she says. Will let you know
    How is money being made, and who does the accounting , is there a bank account with loads of dosh somewhere!!!!
    Maybe there are legitimate expenses at head office that need to be paid, in which case you can't expect the USA to pay the lot.
    Last edited by Ken68; 07-09-2009 at 6:50 AM.
    • kazwookie
    • By kazwookie 7th Sep 09, 6:58 AM
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    MyFreecycle is completely controlled by The Freecycle Network in the USA, who may or may not apppoint local moderators to do the day to day work on the groups. A number of UK MyFreecycle groups are currently being run by moderators based in the USA.

    The logo is the same for both.
    Originally posted by RacyRed
    Racyred thanks you for the explaination.

    I have just become a 'mod' of a localish group, not my normal one, I sent an email to the person who asked me to be a mod, and offered to meet etc as she knows nothing about me etc, to get an email back saying she was over here doing mod training and setting groups up, and then was back to the USA in a few days!!!!

    So I have 'wondered' where my training is!! in the mean time I just approve / edit as needed the posts and leave it at that, I sent her another email yesterday, as I get emails from people who want to unsubscribe from the group, but I don't have a clue what or how to deal with them, so rather than press the wrong button, I just leave them.
    Sun, Sea
  • laurel7172
    Sorry, racy-as one who has come in halfway, I'm finding this a bit hard to follow.

    So there's a money stream for freecycle? How is this allocated at present and how are the US trying to change it? How are moderators rewarded at present (if at all)? I think they should be, TBH, because it's a bloomin' thankless job from what I've seen. Well, our local mod is generally so tired and grumpy that after writing him a thank you note on a particularly bad day I'd now worry about adding to his workload by doing it again...
    • davie24
    • By davie24 7th Sep 09, 7:54 AM
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    The only reward we as Moderators/ Group Owners receive is the satisfaction of keeping items out of landfill.
    When I took the role on a couple of years ago,I never realised the time it took up,but I feel it is worth it,even when dealing with abusive emails from members.
    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 7th Sep 09, 8:30 AM
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    Hi Racey, are Owners the same as moderators, or do they have separate responsibilities.
    • kazwookie
    • By kazwookie 7th Sep 09, 8:42 AM
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    Ken

    I am not an owner, but I am a moderator, but I am a very new one, about 1 month if that.
    Sun, Sea
    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 7th Sep 09, 9:07 AM
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    So who paid your USA trainer, Kaz. and her plane fare over to here to train UK owners/mods?
    If it was Freecycle.org (supposedly now My Freecycle, tho that sounds like an offshoot in itself) and it is Freecycle.org who set up groups, and hire and fire and now new servers, and have control of the money and capital reserves, then they should call the shots.
    Also from what I read Yahoo might have an axe to grind.
    • kazwookie
    • By kazwookie 7th Sep 09, 9:34 AM
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    So who paid your USA trainer, Kaz. and her plane fare over to here to train UK owners/mods?
    If it was Freecycle.org (supposedly now My Freecycle, tho that sounds like an offshoot in itself) and it is Freecycle.org who set up groups, and hire and fire and now new servers, and have control of the money and capital reserves, then they should call the shots.
    Also from what I read Yahoo might have an axe to grind.
    Originally posted by Ken68
    Ken

    I never had any training, all I got was an email from a lady, and then found my user name on the site had had an upgrade with additional buttons, it was only when I emailed the lady and asked if she wanted to meet me, (I thought she was local to me) that she said she was back off to the USA, so I have no idea what so ever where in the UK she was or if indeed she was in the UK at all!! .

    TBH it is a dangerous thing in the wrong hands, I have all sorts of delete buttons etc, so if I was minded I could do a lot of damage.

    But then again I must be doing what I am doing right, as I have not had any emails off the lady, tell me off or asking me to do things differently, but then again I dare not touch some of the button headings as I am not sure what they do, and I DONT want to cause any problems.

    and it does look like the group I am a mod of is 'my freecycle' as since Racyred's post, I have had a hunt about, the lay out is different to my local group, I always thought that was because it was a 'test' lay out.
    Sun, Sea
    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 7th Sep 09, 10:53 AM
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    You must have an Owner, Kaz.
    • RacyRed
    • By RacyRed 7th Sep 09, 11:24 AM
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    You must have an Owner, Kaz.
    Originally posted by Ken68
    Not if her group is on MyFreecycle, the owner of all the groups on there is the Freecycle founder, Deron.

    Yahoo groups have owners and moderators. The owners have complete control over the groups. The Freecycle "powers that be" can kick those groups out of freecycle, and even ask Yahoo to delete them without warning (that has been done on more than one occasion) but they cannot take over the groups, just replace them.

    In the early days you set up a group, agreed to use the Freecycle name and then were told to go out and get on with it. Things changed when the lawyers started appearing.

    The money is generated by sponsorship and advertising on the MYFreecycle website and, once all the groups are under Deron's control, there is are landfill grants he could claim, which pays by tonnage saved from landfill.

    UK groups and moderators receive no money at all. We do not need much. Costs for leaflets and other publicity stuff are often met by the local councils because we are saving them a lot of money by reducing the massive costs of putting things in landfill. They see it as a worthwhile investment.

    UK Freecycle does not have offices and was run by volunteers who paid for their own phone calls and so on, and even paid the "official" costs for Companies House stuff and so on themselves. No-one in the UK has ever claimed expenses, as the Freecycle founder often boasts.

    The only paid employee of Freecycle in the UK is the guy who develops the MyFreecle web site, and he is paid from the US. The Freecycle founder takes a salary from the organisation.

    Ken, read my earlier post, it is the moderators who build the groups from nothing to thousands of members. Is it right that we get kicked out of them now because someone in the USA has realised that there is a way to make money out of them?

    laurel7172, The money stream is new. At the moment it is mostly being used to pay lawyers to protect the Freecycle name. and to kick off groups whose moderators have dared to question the freecycle founder.

    Kazwookie I've sent you a PM about helping you get some training. Usually moderators train each other, there are many experience people who will be happy to help you. What has happened to you is exactly the sort of thing that worries the majority of moderators in the UK about the direction things are going in., It is disgraceful to leave you on a group without giving you any help or training!
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