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    digi-tal
    esure (Car) + Morley Slater (Body Shop, Derby) = Nightmare! Please Help!
    • #1
    • 30th Jun 09, 4:20 PM
    esure (Car) + Morley Slater (Body Shop, Derby) = Nightmare! Please Help! 30th Jun 09 at 4:20 PM
    Hello All,

    I am writing today to assist a friend who is in desperate need of help!

    My friend had another car crash into him on a roundabout, the other driver caused damage to the drivers door and rear panel. He promptly contacted his insurance company, esure, to claim to get his car fixed. esure arranged for Helphire to come and drop of a replacement car and for the body shop, Morley Slater, to collect his car. The repair began and all went well until last Friday.

    On Friday he recieved a telephone call from Morley Stater to advise the repair was almost complete, during this telephone call he was asked if his central locking was working before the accident. He replied yes, as it had been.

    A short while later he received another telephone call from Morley Slater to advise they had checked the central locking and it could not have ever worked as there were some components missing! The missing parts were part of the locking mechanism from the door that has been replaced and the switch from inside his keys! Morley Salter said there was nothing more they could do!

    Quite shocked by this my fried immediately got on the phone to esure to ask for help. esure advised they already know about the situation but would get the engineering department to contact him to sort things out. Another lengthy phone call with the engineering department and my friend was basically called a liar and that he was trying to get something fixed that has never worked. The engineer did say he would have words with someone and make a final decision.

    Today the final decision has come from esure, it is not good news, they are not going to fix his central locking. They want the hire car back and if he wants a car to drive he is going to have to pay the excess and collect his car back still faulty!

    He really does not know to do now, the central locking did work before it went in for repair. I even have CCTV footage from less than an hour after the accident when he came to my work to show me the damage. This video shows him reach into his pocket, remove his keys and press the button, then the hazard lights flash on his car!

    After esure were told about the CCTV he was again called a liar and told that he has fabricated the recordings! Why would he do this?

    Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I really hope we can get this sorted for him!

    Paul.
    Last edited by digi-tal; 30-06-2009 at 5:15 PM. Reason: Spellings!
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    • Tygermoth
    • By Tygermoth 30th Jun 09, 5:18 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 5:18 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 5:18 PM
    Advise your friend to put his complaint in writing to the insurance company and send a copy of the cctv footage.

    Should they not listen to reason and not resolve the matter to your satisfaction write to the regulators (their contact information will be provided once you have made your complaint)

    I would not recommend talking to them via the phone further as the call operators are not invested with the 'power' to make these decisions only a complaints handler or manager can.

    Kind regards

    Tyger
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 30th Jun 09, 5:21 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 5:21 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 5:21 PM
    Well an obvious explanation seems to be that bits have been lsot in the impact.

    Your friend could write a letter (by recorded delivery 75p) asking them them to fix the car within 10 days, after which he'll take them to the small claims track in the county court, then a judge can decide if your friend is lying.

    The cost is fairly small, however he may need a day off to go to court and I believe the defendant can have the case heard in their local court, so he should check where there offices are to make sure he isn't going to have to travel the length of the country.
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 30th Jun 09, 5:39 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 5:39 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 5:39 PM
    ah......it's like buses, you wait an hour and then two come.

    Pros of complaints service are:
    no time off or travel or cost involved

    Cons are:
    It can take ages especially if you have to get the ombudsman involved

    pros of county court are:
    much quicker

    cons are:
    small cost, time off and possible travel
  • digi-tal
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    • 30th Jun 09, 6:13 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 6:13 PM
    Many thanks to you both for the quick replies!

    Tygermoth - I agree that the next step would be to write in making an official complaint. I have also let him know about the Financial Ombudsman should he need to take it that far.

    Lisyloo - Would he need to pay to have the repairs completed before he would be able to claim the money back via small claims?

    I would think the component went missing from the door when the car was disassembled by the bodyshop. They then decided to take the key appart and lost the switch out of it, they didn't really have any need to touch the key. Now they appear to be trying to cover it up.

    We were hoping to try and sort things out before he has to accept the car back. Will he have problems in the future if he collects the car?

    I really can't believe it is happening, what happened to 'The customer is always right!'?

    Paul
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 30th Jun 09, 6:55 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 6:55 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 6:55 PM
    Will he have problems in the future if he collects the car?
    Well for one thing, he has to think about how he's going to keep it secure without locking.
    Wheel clamp might be a good idea short term.
  • digi-tal
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    • 30th Jun 09, 7:01 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 7:01 PM
    Well for one thing, he has to think about how he's going to keep it secure without locking.
    Wheel clamp might be a good idea short term.
    Originally posted by lisyloo
    The car will still lock by sticking the key in the door, he just cant press the buton on his keys and do it the lazy way. He will also have to go round and lock each door instead of them all locking at the same time.

    At least he can still use the car!

    Paul.
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 30th Jun 09, 9:10 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 9:10 PM
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    • 30th Jun 09, 9:10 PM
    Ah well in that case, he might be better off going the complaints route and jsut putting up with the inconvenience.
    There is no risk or cost associated with this route.

    The only problem is that if you do get as far as the ombudsman then it takes time.
    So it could take quite a few months.

    I would recommend sending letters by recorded delivery (75p).
    It's not just that things get lost in the post, but companies also cynically use it as an excuse. A small cost will probably stop them using that excuse.
  • digi-tal
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    • 1st Jul 09, 9:56 AM
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    • 1st Jul 09, 9:56 AM
    Hello All,

    We have just been to pick the car up, the story is getting even more unbelievable.

    Previously my friend has been told that the drivers door could never have locked electronically as there was a component missing from it. How surprised were we when we pressed the 'Lock/Unlock' button on the dashboard and the drivers door locked! So this is the first lie that Morley Slater has told.

    Looking at the key it is obvious that it has been opened, were were shown picture of the circuit inside where the switch should be and is missing. Even after their other lie had been exposed they refused to back down and continued to say the key never had a switch in! Morley Slater had no need to open the key and their incompetence has caused this to happen.

    esure said they would not do anything because there were two components missing and if there was just one they would give the benefit of the doubt. Now we have found there is only one component missing maybe they can help?

    One thing is sure, there will be a hefty complaint to both Morley Slater and esure!

    I will keep the thread updated with any further developments.

    Paul.
  • mattymoo
    Did the car have a second key with central locking controls on? They can't have tampered with both and, using the second key, he could prove beyond doubt that the body shop have lost something (the plot - it would seem).
  • Niki at esure.com
    A note from esure
    Hello - I work for esure in the Corporate Communications department. Have just read your posts and wanted to let you know that I am fully aware of this particular claim and we have been in regular conversations with our customer since the accident. I'm unfortunately not able to disclose any of the details of this claim or our findings on this forum for privacy reasons - particularly as our customer hasn't directly posted a comment here - but I do want to let you know that as part of our complaint handling process, we always do give full details of how our customers can contact the Financial Ombudsman Service if they are unhappy with our handling of a complaint. Really sorry I can't give any more specifics. Niki
  • digi-tal
    Hello Niki,

    Thank you for your reply, it is great to know you are showing an interest. From what we have found out today the engineer at your end was acting on false information given by Morley Slater. I understand you had no way of knowing this but sometimes it is best to give the customer the benefit off the doubt.

    Hopefully my fried will pop by and say hello here today as he shouldn't be so busy on the phone to your customer services or engineers!

    Paul.
  • digi-tal
    Did the car have a second key with central locking controls on? They can't have tampered with both and, using the second key, he could prove beyond doubt that the body shop have lost something (the plot - it would seem).
    Originally posted by mattymoo
    Hello mattymoo, unfortunately there is no spare key for the car at all. It's odd, I have exactly the same car (sad I know!), and have no spare key too, in fact everyone I have spoken to with this car does not have a spare. They are about £160 to buy from Renault or £100 for an unbranded one!

    Paul.
    • dacouch
    • By dacouch 1st Jul 09, 6:02 PM
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    dacouch
    Digi tal, my reading of Niki's post is that they are in effect saying your friend should go to the Ombudsman and complain. This in effect means esure have completed their investigation and the next step is the Ombudsman.

    I could be wrong.

    Why don't you get your mate on here to post and then Niki can reply to him as.

    Unfrotunately Insurers garages have a habit of denying all responsibility when they make a mistake, I don't know why they don't hold their hands up when they mistake and admit it after all we all make mistakes, the secret is being able to sort things out after you have made a mistake.

    The good news is that as esure sent you to the garage they are jointly responsible for making good the damage. You could go to the Ombudsman which will take a few months but will cause a lot of work for esure, get a black mark with the ombudsman and will also cost them a fee from the Ombudsman of circa £360 or you could sue esure.

    If your friend is certain he is right then it will do no harm to take it to the Ombudsman (Which is free to your friend it just costs esure)
  • digi-tal
    dacouch - thank you for your reply. I got the same impression from Niki's post although esure have advised that a written complaints procedure would need to be exhaused before the Ombudsman will take a look at the case.

    Unfortunately this saga has got worse during the day, and it appears the work that has been carried out on the car is below par. Hopefully my friend is going to stop by to go into some more detail on this.

    Thanks again,

    Paul.
    Last edited by digi-tal; 01-07-2009 at 7:51 PM. Reason: Spellings!
  • WhyDoesMyCarNotLock
    Good Morning everyone. I wanted to pop a quick post on here to Thank You all for the advice and support you have shown. By the name ive picked you will all probably guess that i am the VICTIM in this case. I have read through all of your posts in detail and am very grateful or the time spent by everyone to help me get this resolved. I am reluctant to disclose any more details untill the official complaints procedure is in place, but i will more than definately keep you all informed..

    Thanks Again for all your time people...
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 2nd Jul 09, 11:10 AM
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    esure have advised that a written complaints procedure would need to be exhaused before the Ombudsman will take a look at the case.
    Yes, the Ombudsman will not help until you've exhausted the proper complaints procedure and got a "dealock" letter. So even if you have exhausted it in practice, you still need to go through all the formalities and have it escalated through the proper channels (sometimes 3 or 4 diffrent levels) before you can go to the Ombudsman.

    This does take time, but is risk and cost free and is independent.
    I would advise sending all letters by recorded delivery.
    It's 75p which is a relatively small cost but it could save time because it might be weeks before you realise one of your letters gets "lost" in the post.
    If you can do it by email then so much the better, but I recommend using delivery and read receipts on email.

    I cancelled a policy with esure once within the 14 day cooling off period.
    They wanted my insurance certificate.
    They lost it FOUR times (yes FOUR).
    Personally I think they didn't want to give me a refund.
    In the end I demanded someone stood by their fax machine whilst I sent a fax.

    So I fully recommend 75p to stop things getting lost.
    It's doesn't guarantee your letter is delivered (as sometimes letters do genuinely get lost by Royal Mail) but it's likely to stop esure (or any other company) taking the mickey or fobbing you off with the "lost in the post" excuse when they can't be bothered to look properly.
    • dacouch
    • By dacouch 3rd Jul 09, 12:04 AM
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    dacouch
    Lisyloo..."Deadlock" letter is very ironic

    I have an image of someone at esure getting the complaint in and thinking "Right lets send the standard template when we damage someones deadlocks"
    Last edited by dacouch; 03-07-2009 at 12:09 AM.
    • hansi
    • By hansi 3rd Jul 09, 7:15 AM
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    Just come in at the back end of this, but if the car is regularly serviced and the garage knew that the central locking worked, couldn't the garage send a letter to esure to confirm this?
  • digi-tal
    dacouch - I hadn't noticed that

    hansi - This had crossed our minds too, we will have to see what happens.

    Paul.
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